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Speculation: Draft Thread 2018-19: Part X (No Kakko/Hughes Talk) - Post Your Mock Draft

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Joey Bones said:
Lolol, my fault. Didn't see that....

Before I start, let me first say that I could see this happening. I could, also, very well see him selected in the teens. There are a few reasons why I have him going out of the 1st round, though. Firstly, his mental. Composure is very even keel, but can get hot during frustrating moments of the game. It's not a huge knock, but have noticed that it does take him out of games, at times. Secondly, his defensive decision making is a bit off. I think that it could use honing in the NCAA. Boston College should help that. But using sticks in lanes and not turning over the puck is something to look out for. He does like to have the puck on his stick, after all. Next, I think his neutral zone play (as a center) could be more assertive. With a guy that plays fast and is fast, I want to see him maneuver around more in the open ice. Kind of similar to what Ryan O'Reilly did with the Blues in the final. Always on a pivot and looking out for that cross-ice pass. Newhook definitely has the hand-eye and speed for it, but reaching for pucks shouldn't be a thing when you have all that gas in the engine. Hopeful it translates within development. Also, the lack of international exposure will frighten some, even after having a pretty solid U-18's. He's had the chances and never succeeded until last month. That added along with the "talent" level of the BCHL, it's tough to gauge how offensive he could really be in the pro level. The NCAA will be a great test to find out. Lastly, there was a podcast I heard recently from hockeyprospect.com Director of Scouting, Mark Edwards. He discussed his time at the combine and shared thoughts with fellow scouts taking part in watching the physical testing. In talking about Newhook, he came away surprised that some scouts had him in the mid-teens and some scouts had him in the early/mid 2nd round. That's a bit of a leap in regards to NHL scouting minds. Kind of similar how Dorofeyev isn't regarded as highly as most anticipated. Leaves for speculation....
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Wow, I hope you’re right... and Gorts jumps on the first available pick to select him.
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
Does losing #20 make the Rangers less or more aggressive in moving someone at the draft?

I kinda feel like it gives them more license to really push things to get Kakko and another top pick. #20 would’ve made that easier but there could’ve been some overpayment including Kreider with #20.

Now that you have Trouba in the bag for that pick you can use the second rounder and some other assets like Vesey, Names, Strome, Shatty etc to include in the deal and help open up some needed cap space. (If someone will go for that)

I’m a little bummed we won’t get to see who falls to 20 but if Gorts intention was to try and move up anyway, you might be able to do that AND have Trouba too.
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More. In fact, I think this gives us more ammo to attack teams who need NHL talent.
 
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Is anyone worried the Rangers will trade Kreider to move back into the late first to get a slipping guy like Kaliyev?

I don’t think that would be wise even though I’d trade someone other than him to get there
 
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jas said:
He said it was the same source that clued him into the Rangers’ interest in Kravtsov last year.
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Interesting. I mean I think the Rangers have their homework set out for guys in that range they'd trade up for. It wouldn't surprise me if Newhook is one. Just don't think he's a "safe" pick....
 
Joey Bones said:
I wouldn't hop on the next available pick for him, unless it was in the 20's. I feel there are way better to have in the teens before Newhook....
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Well, this is why intelligent minds can disagree. :)

I haven’t done nearly as much scouting as others, and push comes to shove I’d take Turcotte and Cozens over him, but I think he has a solid chance of being the 2nd best center in this draft.
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
Is anyone worried the Rangers will trade Kreider to move back into the late first to get a slipping guy like Kaliyev?

I don’t think that would be wise even though I’d trade someone other than him to get there
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Nope...doesn’t sound like Kaliyev is on their radar. Cozens, Newhook, York, Krebs, Broberg and Seider are much more likely to be Ranger targets. I would think Dorofeyev is more a target than Kaliyev.
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
Is anyone worried the Rangers will trade Kreider to move back into the late first to get a slipping guy like Kaliyev?

I don’t think that would be wise even though I’d trade someone other than him to get there
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sitting at #20 was one thing...but IMO there is less than 0% chance we trade kreider to move back into the first unless its to land one of the big centers. they aren't going to do it just to say they got a 2nd 1st. If they can't get one of the guys they want they will look to get a 2020 first instead
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Well, this is why intelligent minds can disagree. :)

I haven’t done nearly as much scouting as others, and push comes to shove I’d take Turcotte and Cozens over him, but I think he has a solid chance of being the 2nd best center in this draft.
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Definitely, it causes for great debate!!

Turcotte will go to Chi-town, IMO. Cozens could fall a bit if indeed some defenders and Knight go in the top 10. I would take both before Newhook, as well!!
 
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jas said:
I don’t think the Rangers are interested in ‘safe’.
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I don't think so either, which I love in all honesty. Definitely think there are higher ceiling players than Newhook, though. York comes to mind and so does a falling Podkolzin. It really depends on who's there.

With all this said, I wouldn't be upset with Newhook if he were indeed a Ranger come the end of the draft!!
 
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Leetch3 said:
sitting at #20 was one thing...but IMO there is less than 0% chance we trade kreider to move back into the first unless its to land one of the big centers. they aren't going to do it just to say they got a 2nd 1st. If they can't get one of the guys they want they will look to get a 2020 first instead
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Unless they deem that he won't be worth what ever hes asking for.
 
Leetch3 said:
not saying they won't trade kreider...it just won't be friday night unless the guy they want is on the board when the team they are dealing with is on the clock.
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My guess is that if any deal is possible, the details are probably be worked out before hand.

Also depends on how long their list is. If they have 3-4 guys rated close, there’s a higher probability of one of them being on the board.
 
Assuming Kreider doesn't get traded, who do people like in the second round? Despite Bob McKenzie's list, I highly doubt Dorofeyev falls anywhere close to 82, much less 49. Pinto? Puistola? Farinacci? One of the (gasp!) goalies?
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
Is anyone worried the Rangers will trade Kreider to move back into the late first to get a slipping guy like Kaliyev?

I don’t think that would be wise even though I’d trade someone other than him to get there
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Worried?

I have my fingers crossed they do that. (not necessarily for Kaliyev but for someone on my want list in the first round).

Rumors are Buffalo is after Vesey, package Kreider with him and take their first. They add 45 more goals with those 2 players.
 
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OhYeahAndVesey said:
Assuming Kreider doesn't get traded, who do people like in the second round? Despite Bob McKenzie's list, I highly doubt Dorofeyev falls anywhere close to 82, much less 49. Pinto? Puistola? Farinacci? One of the (gasp!) goalies?
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didn't produce at World Juniors but I remember Fagemo being involved in a lot the play for Sweden
 
theres little chance alex newhook falls out of round 1.

his play at the u18's shows a kid who could play top line minutes, out of position btw, and not only look the part but produce. hes was composed and showed high end skills equal to that of a 1st rounder.

the concerns with him re. the bchl competition, his international play or lack there of and his supposed mental makeup doesnt drop him anywhere. he answered the bell at the u18's and showed why hes a 1st rounder.

alex newhook will be drafted within the first 20 picks.

my guess, hes gone by 15.
 
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offdacrossbar said:
theres little chance alex newhook falls out of round 1.

his play at the u18's shows a kid who could play top line minutes, out of position btw, and not only look the part but produce. hes was composed and showed high end skills equal to that of a 1st rounder.

the concerns with him re. the bchl competition, his international play or lack there of and his supposed mental makeup doesnt drop him anywhere. he answered the bell at the u18's and showed why hes a 1st rounder.

alex newhook will be drafted within the first 20 picks.

my guess, hes gone by 15.
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No chance he falls out of the first round. Should be a top 15 pick for sure.
 
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