Speculation: Draft Thread 2018-19: Part X (No Kakko/Hughes Talk) - Post Your Mock Draft

[GoAwayPanarin]

only matter if NJ was 1 of them

They're not.

I think we are though.

 

[Edge]

Boldy almost feels like the forgotton man; and yet he's pretty high up on just about everyone's list. He's in a lot of top 10s, and just outside on others.

 

[Polar Bear]

Bob said 99.9% Devs take Hughes. Aside from the two 1st place votes, he kept harping how close it was and how divided scouting rooms were.

 

[Polar Bear]

Boldy almost feels like the forgotton man; and yet he's pretty high up on just about everyone's list. He's in a lot of top 10s, and just outside on others.

Literally 11 on Bob's.

Also do you think we are one of the first place votes for Kakko?

 

[Edge]

They're not.

I think we are though.

As of two weeks ago, Hughes was still ranked first on the Rangers list according to those I spoke with.

Not that things don't change, but that's what was being said (as a point of reference).

 

[Leetch3]

I said this the other day, but if Shero has a brainfarts, outsmarts himself and takes Kakko, there's one of the paths to Panarin. If the Rangers somehow get Hughes, you may well see a push for Panarin.

I was thinking the same thing the other day...if you are a panarin guy the #1 way for that to happen is for us to end up with hughes. IMO if we get hughes then its 100% we sign panarin to play with him. I can't see NJ not picking him #1 but if...

 

[Fireonk]

For the record, if the Rangers do actually have Hughes first it makes a ton of sense for them to send a list to Mckenzie with Kakko first instead whether its true or not.

 

[Polar Bear]

As of two weeks ago, Hughes was still ranked first on the Rangers list according to those I spoke with.

Not that things don't change, but that's what was being said (as a point of reference).

Could very well be, but I'm sure it was a divided scouting room, as Bob said it was most for most teams.

 

[True Blue]

Boldy almost feels like the forgotton man; and yet he's pretty high up on just about everyone's list. He's in a lot of top 10s, and just outside on others.

Not to me, he's not. Am goldie for Boldy.

 

[True Blue]

I was thinking the same thing the other day...if you are a panarin guy the #1 way for that to happen is for us to end up with hughes. IMO if we get hughes then its 100% we sign panarin to play with him. I can't see NJ not picking him #1 but if...

Agreed. If you are a Panarin guy, hope and pray for Shero to second guess himself.

 

[Edge]

Could very well be, but I'm sure it was a divided scouting room, as Bob said it was most for most teams.

Certainly possible.

While I think 80-85 percent of teams probably have Hughes first, I would expect the numbers to be lower within each of those organizations.

 

[Levitate]

When it's real close I think again you may see teams deciding that center versus wing may be the tie breaker...

 

[Polar Bear]

Certainly possible.

While I think 80-85 percent of teams probably have Hughes first, I would expect the numbers to be lower within each of those organizations.

Pretty much what Bob said, yep!

 

[Polar Bear]

When it's real close I think again you may see teams deciding that center versus wing may be the tie breaker...

According to Bob, the deciding factor for many teams was just to be safe and stick with the guy deemed the consensus number 1 for a year or two now. Was VERY divided among scouts in the room though.

 

[Edge]

When it's real close I think again you may see teams deciding that center versus wing may be the tie breaker...

The three more popular arguments I've heard are:

1. Hughes impact on an entire roster is a bit stronger.

2. Hughes is (at worst) close to Kakko, despite being a few steps behind physically and in experience.

3. The belief that Hughes has a higher absolute ceiling.

There's also two (somewhat separate) debates taking place:

1. Which player should be number one based on performance thus far.

2. Which player should be number one based on where you think they'll go from here.

 

[Ghost of jas]

McKs list (courtsy of @RangerSeth who is livereporting it):

1 Hughes
2 Kakko (2 first votes)
3 Byram
4 Turcotte
5 Dach
6 Cozens
7 Zegras
8 Podkolzin
9 Caufield
10 Krebs
11 Boldy
12 Knight
13 Newhook









Think this is a pretty reliable list:
1 Hughes
2 Kakko
3 Byram
4 Turcotte
5 Dach
6 Cozens
7 Zegras
8 Podkolzin
9 Caufield
10 Krebs
[he missed Boldy at 11, so +1 from here]
11 Knight
12 Newhook
13 Söderström
14 Seider
15 Broberg
16 Harley
17 York
18 Lavoie
19 Suzuki
20 Kaliyev
21 Tomasino
22 Heinola
23 Poulin
24 Robertson
25 Brink
26 Björnfot
27 McMichael
28 Vlasic
29 Thomson
30 Pelletier

Newhook still in that 13-14 range. If he’s a target, he’s reachable by trading up.

 

[Ola]

Newhook still in that 13-14 range. If he’s a target, he’s reachable by trading up.

Yeah, I think he could be the Barzal of this draft. The kid is just good.

I think this draft is good 1-14 and then 30-60 very roughly, I'd definitely like to see Gorts do something to move up into the top 14.

 

[Edge]

If Newhook played in the Q last season, or if he was born in the U.S. and played for the national program, I think he pushes himself into that 4-7 conversation.

Like Krebs, he slides a little because of a few additional questions. But there's your big swing pick.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If Newhook played in the Q last season, or if he was born in the U.S. and played for the national program, I think he pushes himself into that 4-7 conversation.

Like Krebs, he slides a little because of a few additional questions. But there's your big swing pick.

I don't see him falling beyond 10 unless something crazy happens before the Nucks pick.

OTOH, is anyone else surprised that Ryan Suzuki is still getting a ton of love?

 

[Polar Bear]

@Edge

Assuming what you reported is accurate and knowing that Bob uses us in his lists, I wouldn't be shocked if this was us.

"As one scout said, “It’s really close between [Hughes and Kakko] – almost too close to call.”
This scout, by the way, works for an NHL club that has Hughes No. 1 on its list."

 

[brians1128]

Newhook still in that 13-14 range. If he’s a target, he’s reachable by trading up.

He definitely should be and I hope so just based on cost. Just finished listening to Greg and Steven's podcast with SteveK and was a good discussion on targeting Buffalo 1st but it will be costly. I can easily see 17 being available just for providing some cap relief, 14 being available for some depth goal scoring. Philly rumors of the 11th being available, and I wonder what Florida is willing to do as they seem to be showing their hand as all in for next season. I dont see us as a partner with philly and I think the 11th is kind of the cutoff in tiers so I think from 12-17 if available will not be out of this world expensive

 

[Lays]

Dorofeyev at 82 wow

 

[bl02]

I don't see him falling beyond 10 unless something crazy happens before the Nucks pick.

OTOH, is anyone else surprised that Ryan Suzuki is still getting a ton of love?

At one point wasn't Suzuki a definitive top 10 prospect in this years draft? Also maybe the fact his brother had a pretty nice year as a Habs prospect bump up his stock a bit???probably not but maybe some scouts still think he's a top 10/15 pick.
I still rather have Tomasino at 20 but I wouldn't be jumping off a cliff if we took Suzuki at 20

 

[bl02]

Dorofeyev at 82 wow

that is a wow! Damn. No way he is even there for our dallas pick

 

[Bluenote13]

Dorofeyev at 82 wow

82 Doro
83 Henriksson
84 Spiridonov