Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VIII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

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[Ranger Ric]

What seems to be missing in the discussion about trading Kreider is a possible contract extension. If, for example, Kreider wants $8 million for 8 years, then he is going to be traded. If he is willing to do a JVR type deal, $7 million for 5 years, then I think the Rangers think harder about how he fits into the rebuild. I think it was Jeff Gorton who said last year you can't just have all young players.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What seems to be missing in the discussion about trading Kreider is a possible contract extension. If, for example, Kreider wants $8 million for 8 years, then he is going to be traded. If he is willing to do a JVR type deal, $7 million for 5 years, then I think the Rangers think harder about how he fits into the rebuild. I think it was Jeff Gorton who said last year you can't just have all young players.

He did, but hes also been very non-committal about Kreider's future here.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

He did, but hes also been very non-committal about Kreider's future here.

And Kreider’s not the only veteran that’ll be around

 

[Edge]

Having vets can be interpreted many different ways.

Buch is entering his fourth season.

Skjei is signed for a while, as is Zibanejad.

Guys like Strome, Staal, Fast, and Names all count as vets.

Having vets doesn’t necessarily mean having the guys currently on the roster, nor does it inherently mean having big ticket free agent types either.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Having vets can be interpreted many different ways.

Buch is entering his fourth season.

Skjei is signed for a while, as is Zibanejad.

Guys like Strome, Staal, Fast, and Names all count as vets.

Having vets doesn’t necessarily mean having the guys currently on the roster, nor does it inherently mean having big ticket free agent types either.

I feel like the need for player veterans was dropped a few points when they hired a coach that communication with young players was one of his big attributes

 

[Edge]

I feel like the need for player veterans was dropped a few points when they hired a coach that communication with young players was one of his big attributes

I also think when people imagine vets they picture someone in the 28-31 range, and that’s not necessarily always the case. You could have a 5 or 6 year vet who is only 23-25 years old.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I also think when people imagine vets they picture someone in the 28-31 range, and that’s not necessarily always the case. You could have a 5 or 6 year vet who is only 23-25 years old.

A few weeks ago on Friedman’s podcast they mentioned something about the vets that teams generally value bringing in to help kids these days are guys that are between 25 and 30, it’s why Arizona identified and spent over a year trying to trade for Stepan

 

[Edge]

A few weeks ago on Friedman’s podcast they mentioned something about the vets that teams generally value bringing in to help kids these days are guys that are between 25 and 30, it’s why Arizona identified and spent over a year trying to trade for Stepan

And I freely admit that I can remember a time that a young team bringing in a vet often meant someone in their early 30s.

But I think there are a numbers of guys we don’t inherently think of as vets, who would be considered as such, or who are getting close.

 

[Edge]

Go Jackets, go.

 

[Ola]

If we got Kaapo and Kaliyev I would be most ecstatic

JMO, but I don't think Kaliyev really fits what we should be looking for. Of our long-term assets, most are pretty big.
Buch 6'3
Ziba 6'2
Chytil 6'3
Kakko 6'2
Kravtsov 6'4
Kreider (if he is here after this summer) 6'3

That is 5-6 guys that certainly could make our top 6 down the road, and all are 6'2 and bigger. Look, I am going to paint with a pretty broad brush here, but that is just to illustrate an observation that I am pretty comfortable about for several reasons, especially after watching games. I.e., I am not "just" of the opinion I am of because what I state in the following, I base it on a ton of things. But if we look at the top 3 team's in this league, it sticks out how few forwards 6'2 or bigger they have in their top 6 and on their roster:

Tampa Bay Lightnings -- 0 (zero) forwards 6'2 or bigger in their top 6 and 0 (zero) forwards 6'2 or bigger on their roster
Boston Bruins -- one forward 6'2 or bigger in their top 6 and 2-3 forwards 6'2 or bigger on their roster
Calgary Flames -- two forward 6'2 or bigger in their top 6 and 3-4 forwards 6'2 or bigger on their roster

The issue is not about size in itself, that you are better the smaller you are, but the game is darn fast nowadays and its tremendously important to have players that can get going really fast in either direction when the play turns. Its pure physics that a smaller guy can turn around faster than a bigger guy everything else equal.

In addition, making it in this league -- given how tough the competition is out there -- is so much about getting the right opportunity. Finding a spot in the NHL in which you can play to your strengths, while growing into the NHL game which you only can do in the NHL. And I think we have a -- PERFECT spot -- for one of those midget play-makers that can skate and transport the puck. Can we find the next Tyler Johnson? The next Marty Straka?

I would love getting Newhook. But I have a hard time seeing Gorton getting much of an opportunity to trade up to where he will go. But who knows. Bobby Brink and Karl Henriksson are two guys who I think would fit this mold really well, but I do think that BB should go a bit later. He is pretty raw. Unless you feel that he really is underdeveloped and can take a big step in the near future.

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[TheBloodyNine]

What seems to be missing in the discussion about trading Kreider is a possible contract extension. If, for example, Kreider wants $8 million for 8 years, then he is going to be traded. If he is willing to do a JVR type deal, $7 million for 5 years, then I think the Rangers think harder about how he fits into the rebuild. I think it was Jeff Gorton who said last year you can't just have all young players.

If the Rangers pay Kreider an average of 7 mill a year Gorton should be fired.

 

[1Knee1T]

The new TSN mock is interesting. Turcotte at 12, Zegras at 13, and Newhook at 16. Rangers at 18 taking Kaliyev.

That would put Turcotte, Zegras, and Newhook within a reasonable range for trading up. Are Button's mocks normally this different from most others?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The new TSN mock is interesting. Turcotte at 12, Zegras at 13, and Newhook at 16. Rangers at 18 taking Kaliyev.

That would put Turcotte, Zegras, and Newhook within a reasonable range for trading up. Are Button's mocks normally this different from most others?

I just looked at his last mocks for 2018, 2017 were not very accurate to the final actual draft order.

 

[Lion Hound]

I think Button's Mock is pretty bad. Starting with Chicago taking Byram #3.

Also think LA wont touch Dach and he falls a bit.

 

[True Blue]

What seems to be missing in the discussion about trading Kreider is a possible contract extension. If, for example, Kreider wants $8 million for 8 years, then he is going to be traded. If he is willing to do a JVR type deal, $7 million for 5 years, then I think the Rangers think harder about how he fits into the rebuild. I think it was Jeff Gorton who said last year you can't just have all young players.

Again, that is possible. But it is known that the Rangers are going to try to move up to get another top-10, top-15 asset. If Gorton decides that the player is worth sacrificing Kreider, then he trades him. If not and Kreider's contract ask is in line with what Gorton is thinking, then I think there is a good chance of an extension. If Kreider's demands are not in line with what Gorton is thinking, then he will trade him.

 

[True Blue]

I think Button's Mock is pretty bad. Starting with Chicago taking Byram #3.

Also think LA wont touch Dach and he falls a bit.

Why wouldn't Chicago take Byram? One can make a very strong case that he is the third best prospect in the entire draft. Also disagree on Dach. If he falls, he is not falling that far.

 

[Bluenote13]

I'm pretty sure Button didn't even have Kravtsov in the first round at this time last year.

But I hope he's right about Turcotte, Zegras, Newhook all outside the top 10.

 

[True Blue]

But I hope he's right about Turcotte, Zegras, Newhook all outside the top 10.

You and me both. If Rangers are sitting at 18 and those 3 names are around at 12, Gorton will try to pounce. This is where having the Dallas pick be another first rounder would be REALLY helpful.

 

[RangerBoy]

Craig Button is crazy. McKenzie is more accurate on the draft stuff.

 

[offdacrossbar]

button always goes off the rails


Kirby Dach is going to go top 10. hes not falling anywhere. kids captaining the canadian team and playing like a stud. he's on the worlds biggest stage and hes been strong. his game is very technical with plenty of skill. skating is not a problem at all.

turcotte wont be around either. hell go top 10

zegras and newhook can both be had after pick 12

i think byram goes pick 3-5. i think broberg goes top 12 and i think there will be one surprise reach in there as well.

names like krebs, lovoie, caufield or kaliyev may well go sooner. podkolzin anywhere from 5 to 12 may be called.

i think well have a shot at newhook and zegras if were willing to push up to 12-14 range\

always watch the hot kids who play well on the big international stage. late risers and kids who show well. lots of scouts and attention at the u18's . kids who do well will get the buzz.

 

[Thirty One]

Craig Button is off the rails, like the actual NHL draft.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

What seems to be missing in the discussion about trading Kreider is a possible contract extension. If, for example, Kreider wants $8 million for 8 years, then he is going to be traded. If he is willing to do a JVR type deal, $7 million for 5 years, then I think the Rangers think harder about how he fits into the rebuild. I think it was Jeff Gorton who said last year you can't just have all young players.

Oh HELL no.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I think Button's Mock is pretty bad. Starting with Chicago taking Byram #3.

Also think LA wont touch Dach and he falls a bit.

I wouldn't be surprised at all with Hawks taking Byram and 3, actually I think that's where he goes.