Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VI (Lottery 04/09 8PM EST)

[Joey Bones]

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

We getting a GDT going?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We getting a GDT going?

One has been started.

 

[buckmaster]

Honest question here. Do you guys think this lottery is rigged? I mean they show the power ball numbers for a $900 million drawing live on tv yet they won’t show a sports teams balls popping out? Pittsburgh was financially strapped in 05 and win Crosby. Edmonton with their “luck” of winning year after year. Maybe I’m thinking too far into it?

I dont think its rigged. However, the Crosby draft 100%. Pittsburgh was on verge of moving, no money and only one thing could be done to save them....another superstar generational player

 

[Thirty One]

I dont think its rigged. However, the Crosby draft 100%. Pittsburgh was on verge of moving, no money and only one thing could be done to save them....another superstar generational player

Strange that the other teams agreed to that.

 

[Ola]

Is Hughes a better skate than McDavid?

No, especially not in terms of top speed.

But Hughes does have that bring fans out of their seat level in his skating and how he can carry the puck.

Turcotte isn’t far behind. Turcotte isn’t as shifty as Hughes around the net, but possibly a bit better skater the rest of the rink.

One of the better skaters in this draft is the Finn Leevi Aaltonen. That kid can really move too, but He doesn’t at all have the same puck presence as the above two mentioned.

 

[Trxjw]

I actually forgot about the Quinn connection.

I mean it's not a secret or anything, but I completely forgot about the timelines of when he would've been recruited by BU, and the personalities involved.

I mean we never got to see how much of an impact the recruitment angle had with Farabee obviously, but I'm sure it's a factor.

 

[Off Sides]

I come up with 0 names

Then I assume you either think the Rangers will get a better prospect out of #22, and Kreider's return next deadline (likely a late 2020 1st next year and B level prospect, if he is not injured) than they'd get at #10 this draft, or you think them signing Kreider to something like 6.5-7-7.5M for 5, 6, 7 years and #22 is better.

 

[offdacrossbar]

No, especially not in terms of top speed.

But Hughes does have that bring fans out of their seat level in his skating and how he can carry the puck.

Turcotte isn’t far behind. Turcotte isn’t as shifty as Hughes around the net, but possibly a bit better skater the rest of the rink.

One of the better skaters in this draft is the Finn Leevi Aaltonen. That kid can really move too, but He doesn’t at all have the same puck presence as the above two mentioned.

no discussion of this draft and the best skaters cannot include alex newhook.

after hughes, its newhook who has the best wheels.

period.

 

[Black Aces]

no discussion of this draft and the best skaters cannot include alex newhook.

after hughes, its newhook who has the best wheels.

period.

Is it wrong of me to want to trade up with our second pick and get him?

 

[Black Aces]

Well, while they can’t pick 10-15, if any of the teams that are supposed to be there aren’t there, that ups the chance of the Rangers moving back, so I’ll just grit my teeth until the Rangers are called

It will be tense wanting it to be in order of the standings until they get to 6th. Then you don't want to see our logo until 1.

 

[Krams]

It will be tense wanting it to be in order of the standings until they get to 6th. Then you don't want to see our logo until 1.

Depends on how it plays out, though. It will be tense until 7th if there is a team behind us that jumps ahead. If I'm thinking about this correctly, if a team behind us moves up, that would mean we are picking 7th unless we win our way into top 3. Or, 8th if two teams behind us move up.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Is it wrong of me to want to trade up with our second pick and get him?

wrong ? hardly.

im silently hoping that he drops a bit- or more realistically, others rise or a few reaches occur.

cozens/newhook would be an instant injection of speed and talent. those 2 and kravtsov would make the forward talent pool much deeper.

dach/newhook not far off imo.

byram/newhook and i could be very happy and others here would be giddy.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Depends on how it plays out, though. It will be tense until 7th if there is a team behind us that jumps ahead. If I'm thinking about this correctly, if a team behind us moves up, that would mean we are picking 7th unless we win our way into top 3. Or, 8th if two teams behind us move up.

Or potentially 9th. About a 3% chance of that.

 

[Edge]

@Edge have you dropped Podkolzin out of that tier?

I’m kinda surprised how he hasn’t dropped a bit from NHL scouts perspective (according to McKenzie’s recent list) given his relatively unimpressive production in Russian. Kravstov had better production in the MHL in his D-1 season compared to Podkolzin in his draft eligible season. Small sample of games for Podkolzin, but still. That’s kinda scary and bust-y.

I have him 8th right now. He’s the clear number 3 in terms of talent, there’s just too many examples of the results not matching the talent for my comfort level.

IMO, Cozens, Zegras, Turcotte, Byram and Dach don’t have the ceiling of Podkolzin, but their ceilings and corresponding results are too high for me to rank them lower.

But I do so with the the full understanding that Podkolzin has the talent to be as good as ANYONE in this draft.

 

[Edge]

I mean we never got to see how much of an impact the recruitment angle had with Farabee obviously, but I'm sure it's a factor.

Before Farabee announced his departure, I was looking forward to seeing Zegras and him together again at BU.

 

[Krams]

Or potentially 9th. About a 3% chance of that.

True, but if three teams behind us move up then we automatically can't be anywhere other than 9th.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Or potentially 9th. About a 3% chance of that.

2.1.

Not very likely at all.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I have him 8th right now. He’s the clear number 3 in terms of talent, there’s just too many examples of the results not matching the talent for my comfort level.

IMO, Cozens, Zegras, Turcotte, Byram and Dach don’t have the ceiling of Podkolzin, but their ceilings and corresponding results are too high for me to rank them lower.

But I do so with the the full understanding that Podkolzin has the talent to be as good as ANYONE in this draft.

podkolzin, when you watched him in international play, looked like the best player on the ice many times. he was dominant and an absolute bull with the puck and pursuing the puck.

for some reason, the talent- and its there, just hasn't produced the results this season other than in international play.

something doesnt fit there.

add to that his on the record statement about staying in russian 2-3 more years and more than a few teams will pass for fear of taking him too high.

hard pass on podkolzin at 5 or 6.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I have him 8th right now. He’s the clear number 3 in terms of talent, there’s just too many examples of the results not matching the talent for my comfort level.

IMO, Cozens, Zegras, Turcotte, Byram and Dach don’t have the ceiling of Podkolzin, but their ceilings and corresponding results are too high for me to rank them lower.

But I do so with the the full understanding that Podkolzin has the talent to be as good as ANYONE in this draft.

And for that description of Podkolzin is exactly why someone swings for him in the 3 to 7 range.

 

[Black Aces]

any chance it leaks before 8 pm?

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Then I assume you either think the Rangers will get a better prospect out of #22, and Kreider's return next deadline (likely a late 2020 1st next year and B level prospect, if he is not injured) than they'd get at #10 this draft, or you think them signing Kreider to something like 6.5-7-7.5M for 5, 6, 7 years and #22 is better.

I think it would be a bad trade, horrible value.

 

[Off Sides]

I think it would be a bad trade, horrible value.

I get that but if they can grab a prospect who at 10 should have gone 6 or so, and he ends up a top liner, those are gambles I think a re-builder should.. almost has to take if they are not picking like 1st or 2nd overall.

They may be able to do so with two later picks too, in two different drafts, yet it sure seems like the odds of them doing so at like #10-14 or so are much better.

 

[Trxjw]

Before Farabee announced his departure, I was looking forward to seeing Zegras and him together again at BU.

Yeah, if I had one concern about the next step for Zegras it's that he's going to a BU squad pretty devoid of talent. Fabbro, Farabee, Carpenter, and Bowers all turning pro. Wise looking like he can't figure out the college game. Outside of Vlasic and Mastrosimone, there isn't much on the way out of this years draft crop.

 

[Off Sides]

To put it another way

Hughes, Kakko have first line potential for sure
Byram 1st pair
Podkolzin too, yet timeline

Cozens, Dach, Turcotte, Zegras, Krebs, Boldy are up there somewhere

That is 10 already

If one want to add say Newhook, Caufield, Suzuki, Kaliyev, or even the defenders to those who have decent potential to be top line, top pair, I think it makes sense to give up Kreider or his eventual return, another later first for, as the odds that either Kreider stays a first liner over term, or his return plus that late 1st become a 1st liner/top pair seems to me to be somewhat poor.

I think these are the plausible outcomes

Kreider signed to something likely high, with clause, plus ~#22-28-31

Kreider's return = ~22-31 in 2020, and some okay but not great prospect, yet they keep that 2019 #22 or so

Or they trade for #10-12-14? That maybe gets them Newhook, Caufield, Suzuki, Kaliyev, etc

I hope it would cost less, general draft in vacuum that is poor value to move up, in this particular draft, given where the Rangers are in their rebuild, I think an overpay is okay if they are getting two prospects that have top line or top pair potential which I don't think they can get at ~22-28 this draft and 22-31 next draft