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Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part V (Lottery 04/09 8PM EST)

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offdacrossbar said:
interesting. from what I've ready and what i know from some of my people that follow and are involved with BCHL hockey, ive heard zero to indicate hes a head case or a problem in any way. actually, quite the contrary.

kid is a high achiever for sure, league scoring leader and MVP and wears the C. the family is solid and i think his sister plays also. from all accounts, super kid who's very coachable and leads by example.

your characterization leads me to believe you think there may be some flaw there with his mental makeup and again, i haven't heard that at all.

from a purely skill point of view, and based upon his hockey ability and everything ive heard about him as a person, i continue to peg him as the potential steal of the draft.
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No, not a head case. Just a little too out of control sometimes and can get frustrated. Happens to a lot of players, good and bad, so it's not a major red flag. I just like seeing confident kids on the bench when things are going bad. Messier, Gretzky and Leetch are the highest end of that spectrum, whereas you have no idea when the score is by looking at how they appear on the bench. Leetch maintained the same demeanor 10-0 or 0-10.

He came up clutch towards the end of the Powell River series but I am keeping a close watch on him against Prince George -- the best defensive team in the BCHL with the best goalie in Logan Neaton against the league's best offense. Spruce Kings just swept No. 1 Chilliwack, so Newhook will have his work cut out for him.

He was marginal at several big prospect events. The Hlinka Camp, WJAC and CJHL TPG were all negatives on his pre-draft resume. I'm hoping he turns it around at the U18's.
 
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Honestly, a lot of guys to really like in the top 5 or 6. I'd be thrilled with any one of Hughes, Kakko, Cozens, Turcotte, Zegras or Byram with our top pick. I will lose my mind if they somehow move up with their second pick and grab a faller like one of the above Boldy or Dach. I'm interested with Soderstrom with our second pick if that doesn't pan out. I might even get nuts and grab another goalie if Knight fell to our 3rd pick.
 
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Huge upset tonight as for the second straight year St. Cloud State loses in the first round, this time to 16th seed American International ending St. Cloud's season. In addition to Jimmy Schuldt, St. Cloud has two other senior players, small scoring wings Robby Jackson and Patrick Newell, who should be signing pro contracts next week.

Notre Dame beats Clarkson in overtime. Clarkson Junior center, Nico Sturm, is one of the top college free agents and has been rumored to be turning pro.

Denver shuts out Ohio State. 25 year old smallish senior center, Mason Jobst, is one of the top rated free agents.

Finally, U Mass shuts out Harvard. The big question mark for Harvard is whether Junior right handed defensemen, Adam Fox, from Jericho New York, and lifelong Rangers fan, decides to turn pro with Carolina or tells Carolina he is going back to school and planning to become a free agent next August. If he does the latter Carolina may have to trade him to a team Fox will sign with or else risk losing him for nothing.

Other than Fox if he becomes available I am not sure that the Rangers will be in on any of these players.

Eight more games tomorrow resulting in lots more teams having their seasons end.

Joey Bones said:
I think they're going to look at some of these guys in the tourney. Nico Sturm is still out there. It's rumored that Jimmy Schuldt will sign with Montreal afterwards....
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Correction: Six rather than eight games tomorrow.

Ranger Ric said:
Huge upset tonight as for the second straight year St. Cloud State loses in the first round, this time to 16th seed American International ending St. Cloud's season. In addition to Jimmy Schuldt, St. Cloud has two other senior players, small scoring wings Robby Jackson and Patrick Newell, who should be signing pro contracts next week.

Notre Dame beats Clarkson in overtime. Clarkson Junior center, Nico Sturm, is one of the top college free agents and has been rumored to be turning pro.

Denver shuts out Ohio State. 25 year old smallish senior center, Mason Jobst, is one of the top rated free agents.

Finally, U Mass shuts out Harvard. The big question mark for Harvard is whether Junior right handed defensemen, Adam Fox, from Jericho New York, and lifelong Rangers fan, decides to turn pro with Carolina or tells Carolina he is going back to school and planning to become a free agent next August. If he does the latter Carolina may have to trade him to a team Fox will sign with or else risk losing him for nothing.

Other than Fox if he becomes available I am not sure that the Rangers will be in on any of these players.

Eight more games tomorrow resulting in lots more teams having their seasons end.
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Barnaby said:
Honestly, a lot of guys to really like in the top 5 or 6. I'd be thrilled with any one of Hughes, Kakko, Cozens, Turcotte, Zegras or Byram with our top pick. I will lose my mind if they somehow move up with their second pick and grab a faller like one of the above Boldy or Dach. I'm interested with Soderstrom with our second pick if that doesn't pan out. I might even get nuts and grab another goalie if Knight fell to our 3rd pick.
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I can't say I've followed the draft very closely, and I'm not going on much other than Youtube clips and reading older mocks, but I think I'd be pretty happy if we walk out with Zegras/Turcotte, Newhook, and someone like Heinola or Korczak if we keep our picks where they're at. Vlasic is interesting.

I like Spiridonov in the 2nd.
 
Pretty crazy. I was looking at the Ranger's draft history and we haven't had a top 5 draft pick since Brad Park in 66 and that was back when there were only 6 teams in the league :O
 
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Ranger Ric said:
Huge upset tonight as for the second straight year St. Cloud State loses in the first round, this time to 16th seed American International ending St. Cloud's season. In addition to Jimmy Schuldt, St. Cloud has two other senior players, small scoring wings Robby Jackson and Patrick Newell, who should be signing pro contracts next week.

Notre Dame beats Clarkson in overtime. Clarkson Junior center, Nico Sturm, is one of the top college free agents and has been rumored to be turning pro.

Denver shuts out Ohio State. 25 year old smallish senior center, Mason Jobst, is one of the top rated free agents.

Finally, U Mass shuts out Harvard. The big question mark for Harvard is whether Junior right handed defensemen, Adam Fox, from Jericho New York, and lifelong Rangers fan, decides to turn pro with Carolina or tells Carolina he is going back to school and planning to become a free agent next August. If he does the latter Carolina may have to trade him to a team Fox will sign with or else risk losing him for nothing.

Other than Fox if he becomes available I am not sure that the Rangers will be in on any of these players.

Eight more games tomorrow resulting in lots more teams having their seasons end.
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No way!! St. Cloud lost?! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

IIRC, Fox already committed to his senior season with Hartford, thus increasing the August 15 free agency!!
 
n8 said:
Pretty crazy. I was looking at the Ranger's draft history and we haven't had a top 5 draft pick since Brad Park in 66 and that was back when there were only 6 teams in the league :O
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No. 4 overall pick in 1999 was Pavel Brendl....

Otherwise, yes the Rangers haven't had a top 5 pick in a while!!
 
Joey Bones said:
Pass. Too many injuries to pick early on, not to mention before this season he looked unengaged on the forecheck/backcheck....

If he's around later in the draft (which I think he will) it could be worth a gamble. The Rangers took a discounted Tarmo Reunanen in his draft year so it's possible....
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Yeah, but it will also depend on how strong he finishes the year. If he is one of the better forwards, top 20, in the U18, he will be hard to place. But as always, the later you can pick a kid the better... ;)
 
Ola said:
Yeah, but it will also depend on how strong he finishes the year. If he is one of the better forwards, top 20, in the U18, he will be hard to place. But as always, the later you can pick a kid the better... ;)
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I mean we'll see. I wasn't high on him over the summer and serious injuries didn't help the matter....
 
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Ola said:
Any more talks about Vladimir Tkachyov the smaller?
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Both Tkachev's are rumored to be signing to the NHL, but they've said the same thing for the past 2 or 3 seasons now....

Alexander Yelesin is definitely coming over and apparently the Flames are going to sign Artem Zagidulin.
 
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This draft is still all about the late 1st early 2nds for us, that's where the value is in this draft. In our range with our top pick it's so close between everyone, but in the late 1st range there are some clear studs that will LIKELY be available, guys like Fagemo and Brink at the top. Wouldn't shock me to see guys like Kaliyev, Caufield and Suzuki drop down to that range aswell.
 
I am not going to rank Newhook unless he plays in the U18 WJCs, even if its easy to find games from his league I have never watched games from that league. I have no comparables, its more or less impossible to evaluate just how good he is.

With that said, its interesting to look at Canada vs Sweden in the Hlinka. Two perfectly even teams overall. After Grewe was hurt it is possible that Sweden's roster will not have a single forward that will be picked in the 1st round. Canada should have 5-6 in the first round.

What can you make of the fact that Newhook couldn't even make Canada's roster??

Can you think like that? Could it lead to odd results? Of course, but its a fact that its at least one coach who picks a bunch of guys that are total scrubs from a mid 1st round perspective over this kid.
 
n8 said:
Pretty crazy. I was looking at the Ranger's draft history and we haven't had a top 5 draft pick since Brad Park in 66 and that was back when there were only 6 teams in the league :O
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I would add that back when we drafted Park and there were only 6 NHL teams--about 90 to 95% of the 'amateur' players were already spoken for. The junior systems in Ontario, Quebec and Western Canada which provided pretty much 99% of NHL players back then--there were no Europeans apart from Juha Widing (who had played in the WHL for Brandon) and extremely few college players Red Berenson and Doug Roberts might have been the only ones of note--hardly any Americans. Back then junior teams were owned and operated by NHL teams. It wasn't uncommon for NHL teams to own more than one in a particular league either. For instance the Rangers had the Kitchener Rangers and the Guelph Biltmores in the Ontario league. The Bruins owned the Oshawa Generals and Niagara Falls Flyers and the Canadiens ran a team out of Montreal and also the Kingston Canadiens. That is why the Bruins had the rights to Bobby Orr--he played for Oshawa. They had rights to all Oshawa's players. As well there was the 50 mile radius rules--players playing within a 50 mile radius of Toronto or Montreal belonged to those teams. The reason Rod Gilbert and Jean Ratelle become Rangers is because the Rangers put them in Guelph. But that was a huge advantage for both the Leafs and the Canadiens. For teams like the Rangers and Bruins that meant that a lot of their players down through the years come from Western Canada just because there were more players out west that weren't under control. There's a famous story about a teenage Gordie Howe showing up to a Rangers training camp and getting laughed at by some of the players because he didn't know how to put some of his equipment on--the next year he's at Detroit's camp and there you go.

So when Park was drafted there wasn't a lot of worthwhile players available and the draft was just this thing to sort out the excess players who had fallen between the cracks. The entry draft really only becomes a big deal after the 1967-68 expansion. I'd argue that before expansion it was almost meaningless as far as most of the teams back then were concerned.
 
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Newhook was held in check in a 4-2 loss to Prince George, which absolutely dominated. It was 4-0 when he was credited with an assist on Campbell’s goal off a broken play in front. This is some run the Spruce Kings are on.
 
If the 2019 draft crop was ranked in terms of how good the kids are and not their NHL potential; Kalle Lopponen would not end up outside the top 31 from my POV.

I would compare him to a Finnish (RD) Jack Johnson type. Good player who also displays more talent than you actually get result on the ice. A bit of a Sean Day type.

Could climb pretty much if he can have a good U18. But overall my best bet is that he just will fall a bit short. Not his biggest fan. But it should be noted that he is a good player today, probably a bit better than many realize.
 
Shame that St.Cloud lost. They were building that program for 4 years. Comes to a crashing halt.
 
Mikos87 said:
Shame that St.Cloud lost. They were building that program for 4 years. Comes to a crashing halt.
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Did Ryan Poehling play?

Huge win for American International, their biggest ever ! Leading the way was Joey Kocur, Wendell Clark, Barry Melrose's nephew Joel Kocur.

That team has a lot of FA Euro talent - Skogs, Reinhardt, Jaks, Fladeby, Mellberg.

St Cloud have any free agents now that theyre done? Lizotte? Robby Jackson played in the USHL, David Oliver was one of his coaches.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
This draft is still all about the late 1st early 2nds for us, that's where the value is in this draft. In our range with our top pick it's so close between everyone, but in the late 1st range there are some clear studs that will LIKELY be available, guys like Fagemo and Brink at the top. Wouldn't shock me to see guys like Kaliyev, Caufield and Suzuki drop down to that range aswell.
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I doubt Caufield drops. He might as well move up after taking sole possession of USNTDP goals scored. A lot of people are comparing him to DeBrincat, but I don't really see that. I see a little more of Cam Atkinson!!
 
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