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What was the reaction to Chytil last year? He was absolutely a reach in terms of perceived rankings, but look how that worked out....
 
RangerSeth said:
What was the reaction to Chytil last year? He was absolutely a reach in terms of perceived rankings, but look how that worked out....
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True, but I think big reaches via scouting are more likely to happen in the European section of the scouting, specifically 2nd leagues and smaller European leagues. Kids like Denisenko, ect that perhaps were more scrupulously scouted by some teams than others.
 
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bobbop said:
I read that Gorton said Clark has a nice list of players who he thinks they will be available late first, early second. I'll be curious if our musings here end up matching the picks in that range.
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If they make some insane pick at 9, if they still walk away with 2 of Wise, Addison and O’Brien, I’d be a very happy camper
 
It would seem the only real players people would all be upset with are Veleno or Hayton @ #9. At the later 1st's there is a very large list of players we may grumble over (some more than others) but no one should be totally pissed or upset. The team should add (3) very good players assuming they keep those three picks.

With that being said the hot takes and immediate negative reaction most likely to occur after every single pick is both hilarious and sad. It occurs every year

My recommendation for anyone new is to sit back and look for the guys who have been posting in these threads all year. Most of those guys will be discussing the pros and cons and the abilities of the players as opinions and not facts.
 
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Kuznetzov had one of the best post seasons of this century, the other two Hart candidates are centers, with the other two Lindsay candidates being centers
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Absolutely. It's hard to have this conversation without making a position sound useless.

It used to be that if a Kuznetsov with that performance got hurt, or your #1 with Backstrom, you were in trouble. The fact they steamrolled Vegas on the back of a wing speaks to how much wings are taking control back. Johansson getting hurt last season probably cost Nashville a cup. The blueprint was strength down the middle. Throw anyone on wing with a good enough center, and you contended. Now, maybe not so much.

It could be the center/wing bias that cost kucherov a hart nod. That doesn't diminish what the centers did, I'm just giving props to the wings.
 
NYR Viper said:
With that being said the hot takes and immediate negative reaction most likely to occur after every single pick is both hilarious and sad. It occurs every year.
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I really hope we don't see those idiotic reactions with the first pick. I'm sure we'll see plenty of it from #26 and beyond.
 
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E-Train said:
I really hope we don't see those idiotic reactions with the first pick. I'm sure we'll see plenty of it from #26 and beyond.
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the first pick has more emotion with it. its the pick that everyone expects will be the most important and thats just not true. at all. they are all possible home runs or strikeouts. they all matter.

the sting from mcilrath is still real. for those who have been here since then and before, the thought of taking a player with the 9th pick that resembles dylan mcilrath is too much to even consider. and when i say "resembles" i mean a player who was a "reach project" and whom lacked the real skill and hockey iq that was still available to be taken at 10. lets remember, many here questioned that pick the moment mcilrath was announced and they were indeed correct. that pick was um.... unpopular.

my hope is that this organization cannot f*** this one up this year. can they ?

i remain cautiously optimistic.
 
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offdacrossbar said:
the first pick has more emotion with it. its the pick that everyone expects will be the most important and thats just not true. at all. they are all possible home runs or strikeouts. they all matter.

the sting from mcilrath is still real. for those who have been here since then and before, the thought of taking a player with the 9th pick that resembles dylan mcilrath is too much to even consider. and when i say "resembles" i mean a player who was a "reach project" and whom lacked the real skill and hockey iq that was still available to be taken at 10. lets remember, many here questioned that pick the moment mcilrath was announced and they were indeed correct. that pick was um.... unpopular.

my hope is that this organization cannot **** this one up this year. can they ?

i remain cautiously optimistic.
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The sting from mcilrath? At least when he was drafted you knew it was a reach. How about the sting from Brendl? Lundmark? Sanguinetti?

Just because a player isn't a reach, doesn't mean it wont sting.
 
offdacrossbar said:
the first pick has more emotion with it. its the pick that everyone expects will be the most important and thats just not true. at all. they are all possible home runs or strikeouts. they all matter.

the sting from mcilrath is still real. for those who have been here since then and before, the thought of taking a player with the 9th pick that resembles dylan mcilrath is too much to even consider. and when i say "resembles" i mean a player who was a "reach project" and whom lacked the real skill and hockey iq that was still available to be taken at 10. lets remember, many here questioned that pick the moment mcilrath was announced and they were indeed correct. that pick was um.... unpopular.

my hope is that this organization cannot **** this one up this year. can they ?

i remain cautiously optimistic.
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To be fair, practically every pick is second-guessed and questioned. If that is the rule by which we say 'knew it' then every pick that misses we can use this logic. Obviously McIlrath was the outlier but people also absolutely bashed Stepan. People wanted Schroeder over Kreider. People weren't super enamored with Andersson or Chytil last year but they look to be well on their way.
 
RangerSeth said:
What was the reaction to Chytil last year? He was absolutely a reach in terms of perceived rankings, but look how that worked out....
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Disbelief, at first. No one really knew that much about him, but many were intrigued by him, considering how young he was. If I remember correctly, a lot of people thought the pick was good after development camp, where Chytil did very well.
 
RangerSeth said:
What was the reaction to Chytil last year? He was absolutely a reach in terms of perceived rankings, but look how that worked out....
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Some didn't like it but the people who know prospects around here absolutely liked it and I know I mentioned him a bunch of times for that pick way before the draft.
 
NYR Viper said:
To be fair, practically every pick is second-guessed and questioned. If that is the rule by which we say 'knew it' then every pick that misses we can use this logic. Obviously McIlrath was the outlier but people also absolutely bashed Stepan. People wanted Schroeder over Kreider. People weren't super enamored with Andersson or Chytil last year but they look to be well on their way.
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This is true. It’s gonna happen. And frankly I wouldn’t have it any other way. If we all just say back and said “great pick!” with zero critical thought this place would be no fun.

I trust Gordie and the staff (except maybe if they go WHL haha). I will root for everyone picked. But I also am not going to stop giving gut takes any time soon, of course with the caveat that the future is unknown.

And for the record:

McIlrath hated from the moment pick was made.

Stepan liked, never wanted Jared Staal. Though also thought Grachev could be a 1st liner...

Loved the Kreider pick (saw him play a few games at Andover when I was in college in Mass) BUT wanted Schroeder even more. Would have taken Schroeder. College roommate played with him in HS.

Hated Andersson pick (not player). Pining for Glass/Pettersson and bitter about Stepan return. Have come around a bit and love the kids attitude above all...perfect leader for rebuild.

Big fan of Chytil pick from day 1, but did not expect what he did last season.
 
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Edge said:
Big contingent pining for Yamamoto.
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I was hoping for Kostin myself, but I've learned to trust the brass in recent years. We all have been over-analyzing this draft for months now, and I think the excitement/nerves are finally coming to a head. But I think we just have to remember that a vast majority of us only know as much information about these kids as we're given from hockey talking heads. We have very limited information from professional scouts and teams that have been watching these players for 12+ months, and have had opportunities to talk with them and vet through their personalities, player types, projections, etc.

Until they're proven wrong by making horrible selections, I'm going to trust our management to pick the best players they see fit. People keep mentioning McIlrath, Jessiman, Sanguinetti, etc...but we're years removed from those picks and have an entirely new scouting team and mostly new upper management. And with how deep this draft is looking, I'm confident we're going to walk away with some good hockey players, whether they were guys I wanted or not.
 
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My point is that while we all have favorites, I don't think anyone should jump off a roof if we select someone we might not initially like.
 
offdacrossbar said:
in a perfect world i would hope to see this after round 1 of the draft.

wahlstrom - impact scoring forward. finisher with some size and speed. perhaps the best shot in the draft. exactly what this organization lacks. mature kid, composed and focused. fairly close to nhl ready.

merkley- top playmaker from the blue line in the entire draft. offensively, he's the best creator from the back end and he's only 17 yrs old. when this kid grows up- and he will, watch out. steal of the draft.

alexeyev- steady, heady and fundamentally sound. nice fluid stride. kid has some nasty to his game at 6'3 200 + he's minutes eater who has the high floor of a 2nd pair 2 way guy who's dependable and usually makes the right reads. great low risk value at the end of round 1.

if that happens i am beyond happy.
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I'm starting to get sold on Wahlstrom, probably because I've seen some other people really pumping his tires. One of the things is that his analytics really grade him out extremely extremely well. Basically they say he's about as sure a thing as you can get.

Now how much is impacted by Hughes, do the analytics take that into account? I'm not sure, but a true sniper is something I'd take on this team over pretty much everything else right now.
 
I trust the amateur scouting dept way more now than I did back in 2010 that's for sure.

What still worries me is Gordies record when it comes to size, almost all the guys 6'4 or higher (sans Arty Anisimov)were busts or were picked way earlier than they should've been. Thats going back 20 years with Tampa, Isles, and Rangers.
 
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I wonder how much the GM has an impact on someone like Gordie's scouting. Does Sather watch the 2009-2010 season and say "dammit I want a big bruising defenseman to fix this, scouts tell me who is the guy to pick in that mold and I'll do it" and they just kind of make the best of the request.

The reports of who the Rangers really wanted in the past couple of drafts are encouraging though
 
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I just posted a 2-round mock draft for Sporting News

9. Adam Boqvist (Wahlstrom gone)
26. Jay O'Brien (Bokk, Denisenko, Berggren, Kaut gone)
28. Blake McGlaughlin (over Noel)
39. Sampo Ranta (Hallander gone)
48. Ryan Merkley (Lundkvist, JBD, Tychonick gone)

9. Speed/shot
26. Speed/shot
28. Vision/High IQ
39. Speed/Shot
48. Speed/Vision

My ideal, biased, there-is-a-God draft for the Rangers up to pick 70

9. Farabee
26. Berggren
28. Tychonick
39. McLaughlin
48. JBD
70. Michal Kvasnica
 
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Steve Kournianos said:
I just posted a 2-round mock draft for Sporting News

9. Adam Boqvist (Wahlstrom gone)
26. Jay O'Brien (Bokk, Denisenko, Berggren, Kaut gone)
28. Blake McGlaughlin (over Noel)
39. Sampo Ranta (Hallander gone)
48. Ryan Merkley (Lundkvist, JBD, Tychonick gone)

9. Speed/shot
26. Speed/shot
28. Vision/High IQ
39. Speed/Shot
48. Speed/Vision

My ideal, biased, there-is-a-God draft for the Rangers up to pick 70

9. Farabee
26. Berggren
28. Tychonick
39. McLaughlin
48. JBD
70. Michal Kvasnica
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I like both of those drafts.

The thing is you have a lot of guys listed who are going to take time, we're talkin maybe four years on all of these guys, I think the Rangers would like to come away with someone that might be a little closer to pro hockey, at least with one of these picks.
 
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