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Prospect Info: Draft 2025: Is it too late to tank? Asking for a friend

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CheckingLineCenter said:
I don’t just mean NHL ready. I mean out of their respective leagues and enough NHL time to understand how they fit in a line up long term. Its important to understand what you have somewhat quickly with these picks.

I think OB is realistically 4 seasons away from that. I have no idea on Desnoyers who I don’t like.

But maybe you get Eklund in here after 1-2 year. All of the top 4 can play in a year IMO as well as Frondell.
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I think it may be even longer than that with most of the top of this class. I know Hagens isn’t Leonard and Perreault, but seeing how ineffective Leonard and Perreault have been in the NHL in a small sample size this year does make me wonder how long it will take for Hagens to be an impact player in the NHL. It seems like Leonard won’t be that until his draft+3 year at minimum, will Hagens be faster? Hagens does have the advantage of playing his freshman year in his draft year, but Leonard’s freshman year was way better than Hagens’ freshman year.

I think Hagens probably turns pro after his college season next year, but I’m not sure he should be doing that. If I could decide, I’d be pushing Hagens to play another 2 years in college.

But I agree that Hagens, Martone, Frondell and Eklund seem to be on about the same timeframe for making the NHL and showing what they’re capable of. I’d put Desnoyers and possibly Martin in that group as well, but those two may be the Brandon Sutter types of “make the NHL fast but learn they don’t have high NHL upside fast”.
 
Ragamuffin Gunner said:
That's totally fine. Suck again next year and have two high picks play the final few years with Sid like Lemieux did 20 years ago should have been the goal.

Now they'll prolly try to win again next year and get another banger around 10th overall instead of a shot a McKenna.
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They're not going to have a shot at McKenna or Dupont with Sid still here. It's not even worth getting upset about.
 
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Thinking about it some, taking Eklund at #9 and Martin at #11 feels like a very Dubas/Clarke kind of draft if they get the Rangers pick. Wouldn’t be surprised if they trade down with that Rangers pick, but those two would fit really well with their past track record. I’m a bit uncertain with Martin’s upside, but he feels like a guy that this front office would love with his play style. Wouldn’t be surprised at all to hear if that ended up true.

Either way, now we just need to wait for the lottery and later what the Rangers decide to do with their pick
 
Pancakes said:
To have an actual good shot they'd need to finish last which they will not.

Even second is like what 13.5 percent? Not odds I'd want to rely on.
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You know, there's other players available beyond McKenna. In other words if you get a top five pick you're likely to get a very good player. You have a chance at glory, but if not you're getting one of the best that crop has to offer. I wouldn't completely disregard a top 2-5 pick if that's what happened.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I know Hagens isn’t Leonard and Perreault, but seeing how ineffective Leonard and Perreault have been in the NHL in a small sample size this year does make me wonder how long it will take for Hagens to be an impact player in the NHL. It seems like Leonard won’t be that until his draft+3 year at minimum, will Hagens be faster? Hagens does have the advantage of playing his freshman year in his draft year, but Leonard’s freshman year was way better than Hagens’ freshman year.
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Hagens a much better prospect than either and will have a freshman year under his belt. He’ll play games at the end of next season schedule permitting.

Feel like ur kinda making my point too. Caps won’t really know where a guy like Leonard is going to slot in their lineup long term until after his d+3 at best. And he is considered a good pick at 8OA.
 
Ryder71 said:
Yep and everyone here would be stoked and for good reason. 9th feels like huge letdown in comparison. Hell 7th would be good relative to where we are now.
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I hope Buffalo wins the lotto so all the "see it doesn't make a difference" arguments die immediately.
 
Jared Grayden said:
I hope Buffalo wins the lotto so all the "see it doesn't make a difference" arguments die immediately.
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Seriously, I wonder how far we'd have to drop in the draft order for people to think it does make a difference. Like 6th >> 9th regarding draft order, yet some act as if it's no big deal. Would we have to finish 12th, 15th? Where does it matter? Just absolute denial by some.
 
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Ryder71 said:
You know, there's other players available beyond McKenna. In other words if you get a top five pick you're likely to get a very good player. You have a chance at glory, but if not you're getting one of the best that crop has to offer. I wouldn't completely disregard a top 2-5 pick if that's what happened.
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Sure but to act like we have a legit shot at McKenna or Dupont....it's not gonna happen unless we have injuries. It's not something we can plan for. The odds suck unless you're the absolute worst team and we won't be.
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
Ah well, onto the lotto.

Here's to another 5 months of your random HFBoards poster throwing together ambitious plans to try and save this team from its incessant need to be in no man's land, only for October to roll around and the same loser coach to be behind the bench, and the roster being largely unchanged. :laugh:
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That's why we're here.
 
Pancakes said:
Sure but to act like we have a legit shot at McKenna or Dupont....it's not gonna happen unless we have injuries. It's not something we can plan for. The odds suck unless you're the absolute worst team and we won't be.
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You predicted Nashville, Boston, and New York Rangers finishing where they are right?
 
Pancakes said:
Sure but to act like we have a legit shot at McKenna or Dupont....it's not gonna happen unless we have injuries. It's not something we can plan for. The odds suck unless you're the absolute worst team and we won't be.
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If you're a bottom five team you have a shot, I just wouldn't count on it. And if you look my posts in regards to McKenna I have never even brought him up until tonight, but not to hope we get him, just to convey my opinion that a top five pick with small chance of moving up would be great next year.

My goal for this team was to start accruing core pieces for the future, not necessarily generational talents. I think that's a more level headed approach. Maybe you can get a Marner level player. Or Pasternak, Bergeron, Point or some such guy. That's very possible if we're a bottom five team.

We weren't far off from that position THIS year. Two less wins would have gotten us there.
 
Wanted a higher pick but Dubas still has a top 10 pick before the lottery. What many haven't been exploring is the picks coming later with so many this year. Scouting is where the rubber meets the road and while a top 6 center is key, loading up with prospects helps stock the system with possibilities of a player or two emerging as well. Dubas has upgraded the scouting and staff so I do think some really good picks will help the cause.
 
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