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Prospect Info: Draft 2025: Is it too late to tank? Asking for a friend

Ragamuffin Gunner said:
So you're just wrong as always, then.

The difference between 4th a 9th is f***ing enormis. Just because you refuse to accept facts doesn't make my statement hysterical.

Which of the guys DesertPenguin posted are franchise-altering players? Also, where was your savior, Marner picked?
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You keep me out of this.
 
Ryder71 said:
You know, there's other players available beyond McKenna. In other words if you get a top five pick you're likely to get a very good player. You have a chance at glory, but if not you're getting one of the best that crop has to offer. I wouldn't completely disregard a top 2-5 pick if that's what happened.
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Sure but to act like we have a legit shot at McKenna or Dupont....it's not gonna happen unless we have injuries. It's not something we can plan for. The odds suck unless you're the absolute worst team and we won't be.
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
Ah well, onto the lotto.

Here's to another 5 months of your random HFBoards poster throwing together ambitious plans to try and save this team from its incessant need to be in no man's land, only for October to roll around and the same loser coach to be behind the bench, and the roster being largely unchanged. :laugh:
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That's why we're here.
 
Pancakes said:
Sure but to act like we have a legit shot at McKenna or Dupont....it's not gonna happen unless we have injuries. It's not something we can plan for. The odds suck unless you're the absolute worst team and we won't be.
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You predicted Nashville, Boston, and New York Rangers finishing where they are right?
 
Pancakes said:
Sure but to act like we have a legit shot at McKenna or Dupont....it's not gonna happen unless we have injuries. It's not something we can plan for. The odds suck unless you're the absolute worst team and we won't be.
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If you're a bottom five team you have a shot, I just wouldn't count on it. And if you look my posts in regards to McKenna I have never even brought him up until tonight, but not to hope we get him, just to convey my opinion that a top five pick with small chance of moving up would be great next year.

My goal for this team was to start accruing core pieces for the future, not necessarily generational talents. I think that's a more level headed approach. Maybe you can get a Marner level player. Or Pasternak, Bergeron, Point or some such guy. That's very possible if we're a bottom five team.

We weren't far off from that position THIS year. Two less wins would have gotten us there.
 
Wanted a higher pick but Dubas still has a top 10 pick before the lottery. What many haven't been exploring is the picks coming later with so many this year. Scouting is where the rubber meets the road and while a top 6 center is key, loading up with prospects helps stock the system with possibilities of a player or two emerging as well. Dubas has upgraded the scouting and staff so I do think some really good picks will help the cause.
 
The players were never going to purposefully lose. Anyone thinking they would are being ridiculous.

It was up to the GM. HE decided it was more important to keep players for next year. Could have traded Rakell like Boston did with Marchant and we would have been right down there with them.
 
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Le Magnifique 66 said:
The way this season has gone and ended, I'm fully expecting the Pens to pick McQueen
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I admit I'm not that knowledgeable on the prospects but I believe Jesse stated that McQueen is a defensive hound creating turnovers and such. Could this be a case like Muzzin (also had a back injury) where he goes on to have a productive career? I know little about the injury he suffered. Thanks!
 
McQueen if he is medically sound is a big hit or miss here. He may be the kind of center that just never elevates his skills. Or he matures and adds the size and strength to be a force around the net. If he is there at 9, draft him. Pens need to get a center and if O'brien is off the boards as are the other top centers, he is my pick.
 
Like, I can see Dubas reaching all the way out for Benjamin Kindel. He's the next NHLe player left at 37.7 then Bear and then Martin
eXile3 said:
The players were never going to purposefully lose. Anyone thinking they would are being ridiculous.

It was up to the GM. HE decided it was more important to keep players for next year. Could have traded Rakell like Boston did with Marchant and we would have been right down there with them.
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Marchand was a UFA and also injured at the time.

They were almost there while still having Rakell. They made other decisions that brought about the resurgence. Jarry + McGroarty/Koivunen.

Boston ended up 5th and the Pens were 1 loss away from #7 and 2 losses away from being #5.
 
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eXile3 said:
The players were never going to purposefully lose. Anyone thinking they would are being ridiculous.

It was up to the GM. HE decided it was more important to keep players for next year. Could have traded Rakell like Boston did with Marchant and we would have been right down there with them.
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100% correct. Dubas had an opportunity to trade 67 and 24 in a market that screamed trade. It will never be that high in the summer. In return, he would have had a less talented team and demoralized roster. He keeps making moves to keep this team mediocre instead of rebuilding it
 
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Rakell67 said:
I admit I'm not that knowledgeable on the prospects but I believe Jesse stated that McQueen is a defensive hound creating turnovers and such. Could this be a case like Muzzin (also had a back injury) where he goes on to have a productive career? I know little about the injury he suffered. Thanks!
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McQueen is not D, he’s a forward.

The more I hear about McQueen the more I think Brian Boyle. I think we shoot a little higher.
 
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IMO McQueen’s upside is jumbo version of Sam Reinhart. There’s just a lot of projection needed to get there and obv a ton of downside with his injury.

Past a lotto win, I am hoping Eklund gets to us and we take him.

If Schaefer/Misa/Hagens/Martone/Eklund/Frondell aren’t there I am really at a loss for who to pick. May be unpopular but I think I go Smith next.

Feel like it’s pretty popular to be lower on Desnoyers - which I agree with- than the pro teams are but Lakovic is the guy public scouts all seem to like that I really can’t get on board with, despite the clear talent. I don’t know how you teach what he needs, which is aggression.
 
Ryder71 said:
Seriously, I wonder how far we'd have to drop in the draft order for people to think it does make a difference. Like 6th >> 9th regarding draft order, yet some act as if it's no big deal. Would we have to finish 12th, 15th? Where does it matter? Just absolute denial by some.
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They'd just move the goalposts like they always do.

Look where Pasta was drafted!
Look where Kutch was drafted!
Look where Stone was drafted!
Look where Dats was drafted!
Look where Horny was drafted!

Losers always defend their loser position, even when they've clearly lost.
 
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I can see the draft breaking like this

1. SJ - Schaefer
2. CHI - Misa
3. NSH - Martone
4. PHI - Hagens
5. BOS - Desnoyers
6. SEA - Frondell
7. BUF - Mrtka
8. ANA - O'Brien


I feel pretty confident that this will be the top-8 with Mrtka as the big surprise. Wingers are more likely fall and centers/D are more likely to rise. A run of either C/D will put is in a good spot re: Eklund. Just in these last 2 drafts you had Demidov/Eiserman/Connelly/Greentree/Perreault/Sale/Musty/Nadeau all fall relative to pre-draft chatter.
 
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