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Brooks said that the Rangers will keep their 1st this year and will give the Penguins their 2026 1st if it ends up in the top-13. They think they’ll be better next year.

Could end up a different result if Drury gets fired or if they decide to rebuild, but I’m not expecting the pick to come in this year as of now.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Brooks said that the Rangers will keep their 1st this year and will give the Penguins their 2026 1st if it ends up in the top-13. They think they’ll be better next year.

Could end up a different result if Drury gets fired or if they decide to rebuild, but I’m not expecting the pick to come in this year as of now.
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I like that personally. I don't think it's a guarantee they are better next year, but that's been argued enough
 
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BrookswasHere44 said:
I like that personally. I don't think it's a guarantee they are better next year, but that's been argued enough
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I don't think it makes a huge difference either way. Even if the Rangers end up better and are picking at like #22, I'm not really sure that prospect will be a worse prospect than the Penguins could get this year at like #13.

Lakovic is about the only guy in the 10-15 range that I'd be excited about getting. If not him, I don't really mind getting the 2026 1st instead of the 2025 1st.
 
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Having two picks in the 2026 draft will be nice. Possible to add another this off-season if we unload Rakell or Karlsson. Clarke+1st for Rakell and Nadeau+1st for Karlsson would be sweet. Even if we have to toss something back as well.
 
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I think if it’s between Eklund, Desnoyers or O’Brien (or anyone else not in the top 5) I go with Eklund.

Just gotta go with that high offensive skillset coupled with a drive to score/win/whatever. Generally a good combo.
 
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Gurglesons said:
If the Kings trade Clarke + 1st for Rakell, I’ll eat a sock.
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I mean, we were talking about that exact value at the TDL. Considering Dubas wanted 2 1sts + for him, that isn't too far off the mark. You could also merely read that as "prospect/player + 1st". The core of the comment was to get a 2 1sts for Rakell and Karlsson and add that to the 2 1sts we will likely have.
 
Jared Grayden said:
Because he's hit 20 goals or 45 points for only 6/19 NHL seasons which is not a majority at all. Even in his prime he wasn't hitting those relatively low numbers. Great 3C. Low end 2C.
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Pancakes said:
Jordan Staal is a weird player in that offensively he was never amazing but he was always an absolute beast at two-way play and puck possession and that imo more than made up for any offensive deficiencies he had.

Any team would have been perfectly happy to have him as their 2c in his prime. And with his defensive abilities being so good you could almost argue him a high end 2c even though his offense wasn't great.
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You gotta also remember how low scoring things were back then vs now— and who this guy played with linemate wise during his peak. For instance in ‘09-10 his most common 5v5 linemates were Cooke and Kennedy. His first 3 seasons in Carolina his most common linemates were Nathan Gerbe and Patrick Dwyer.

you would need to be a 75-85 point winger who can drive play to have the same impact as a Staal. It’s kinda crazy to think we’re gonna do better with our pick this year.
 
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Gurglesons said:
If the Kings trade Clarke + 1st for Rakell, I’ll eat a sock.
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Empty promises.
 
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The worst thing for Staals career development was to go to Carolina. He was showing major offensive potential finally and it was all stifled immediately.
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
You gotta also remember how low scoring things were back then vs now— and who this guy played with linemate wise during his peak. For instance in ‘09-10 his most common 5v5 linemates were Cooke and Kennedy. His first 3 seasons in Carolina his most common linemates were Nathan Gerbe and Patrick Dwyer.

you would need to be a 75-85 point winger who can drive play to have the same impact as a Staal. It’s kinda crazy to think we’re gonna do better with our pick this year.
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Uh that's a significantly more valuable player than Staal.

That's basically suggesting that Guentzel had a lesser/similar impact to Staal.
 
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I never thought the Rags would give up that pick if they didn't have to. Let's hope the Rags win tonight and keep them between 14th to 16th. That'd be best.
 
Turin said:
The worst thing for Staals career development was to go to Carolina. He was showing major offensive potential finally and it was all stifled immediately.
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Honestly, he scored 29 as a rookie LW with Malkin. He could have developed into a good power forward duo with Malkin. But noooo...he had to become a quality defensive 3C. I mean, one of the best 3Cs in the league at the time but I think the offense COULD have been there.
 
Goalie_Bob said:
About a week ago, I ventured over to the Rangers board and asked what they thought about the 2025/2026 1st round pick situation.

The consensus over there was to give the Pens the 2025 pick, unless it was top 5, because this year's draft is not rated as high as next year. McKenna and overall draft rating etc.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think they will do that. They put the stipulation on the pick because if the trade didn't work then they wanted the pick this year. I'm convinced their management will not want the optics of "We are sending the pick to the Pens because we may be worse next year"
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Adding the stip to the draft pick also gives them control of the decision up until the last minute, or whatever the decision moment is. Gives them a lot more time to see if that team is that bad, or just a bad season. If I was them, I'd part with 2025, unless like you say it's top 5, and keep 2026. I think they're a bad team with players starting to age out.
 
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Duffy13 said:
Adding the stip to the draft pick also gives them control of the decision up until the last minute, or whatever the decision moment is. Gives them a lot more time to see if that team is that bad, or just a bad season. If I was them, I'd part with 2025, unless like you say it's top 5, and keep 2026. I think they're a bad team with players starting to age out.
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They're certainly in a precarious position to be sure. Once a team reaches their expiration date it only goes downhill from there. Regarding this pick in question I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. But if I'm Drury I absolutely keep the pick this year if it's 13th or lower.
 
Ryder71 said:
They're certainly in a precarious position to be sure. Once a team reaches their expiration date it only goes downhill from there. Regarding this pick in question I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. But if I'm Drury I absolutely keep the pick this year if it's 13th or lower.
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That's the flip side right... Knowing what they have compared to not having a clue how that team responds next year. Goalie back to being the best, and players playing like their norm and next years pick is mid 20's. It's definitely a tough call, unless they finish above 13 and then it's out of their hands lol.
 
Duffy13 said:
That's the flip side right... Knowing what they have compared to not having a clue how that team responds next year. Goalie back to being the best, and players playing like their norm and next years pick is mid 20's. It's definitely a tough call, unless they finish above 13 and then it's out of their hands lol.
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I think what's best for them, and potentially for us is if it's 14th Or higher, then the anxiety stops. And they can be assured they didn't give up a top ten pick this year, nor potentially a lottery pick next year.

We need the Rags to win a few games here. Just miss that playoff spot would be best for both clubs possibly but certainly I don't think the Rangers brain trust wants that decision hanging over their heads.
 
Ryder71 said:
I never thought the Rags would give up that pick if they didn't have to. Let's hope the Rags win tonight and keep them between 14th to 16th. That'd be best.
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If I'm not mistaken, they have to make the playoffs to not finish bottom 12. Western teams that miss the playoffs are going to finish with more points.
 
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Jacob said:
I think if it’s between Eklund, Desnoyers or O’Brien (or anyone else not in the top 5) I go with Eklund.

Just gotta go with that high offensive skillset coupled with a drive to score/win/whatever. Generally a good combo.
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The "Kunitz with good hands" description is appealing. I'd take that at 7 or 8 overall.
 
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I don’t see Eklund playing the kamikaze style of Kunitz. He’s 160 lbs, his bro is the same height and 180.
 
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DesertPenguin said:
If I'm not mistaken, they have to make the playoffs to not finish bottom 12. Western teams that miss the playoffs are going to finish with more points.
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Rangers are losing tonight to Philly. Watching this game seems like they're tanking. They're only three points up on us. If they lose tonight yeah, they'll keep that pick. We just need to lose period!
 
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