Prospect Info: Draft 2025 Habs your on the clock

[themilosh]

I don't like Ryabkin's reads with or without the puck, at all.

And that, compounded by his lack of pace, poor work rate, and his skating being below-average for the NHL currently, makes me leery of ranking/drafting Ryabkin highly.

The skills and physical tools are there though, but there are too many red flags in my opinion for Ryabkin to be a mid-first pick. Even late-first is stretching it in my opinion.

Were I a GM, I would be much more at ease drafting Ryabkin in the middle of the second, where his pretty high bust factor won't be such a deterrent.

Agree to disagree, but using a first-round draft pick on a guy that has talent, physicality, but also concurrent upside (IQ, play-selection) AND floor (skating, work rate, pace) concerns isn't smart drafting to me.

I totally agree with you, if drafting "actual" problem cases, like; Connelly or Mailloux...
What exactly has Ryabkin done to be considered in this group? The only knock on him is his work ethic. Yup, that sucks... but thats why he'll go in the 20+s. Hes a top 5 talent that clearly had a brutal year.. imo, sometimes these "black marks" are overblown.

Hes fast, hes shifty, considered hi IQ. He plays with Jam, and while not "tall" hes a Mack truck at 200lbs (at 17).

Either we trade the picks for immediate help, or, look to take a boom or bust prospect in the 20s. Why not? Whens the last time ANY of our 1st rounders picked in the 20s has panned out?

 

[morhilane]

I don't think going from 9 to 8 is seen as a "drop"

But yes, I can see a scenario how Martin slides into the top 7-8 and basically everyone not named Misa, Schaefer, Desnoyers, Hagens and Frondell can easily drop a spot here

Martin wasn't that high all season. Some players are getting pushed back by climbers, happens every draft.

 

[slaffable]

Martin wasn't that high all season. Some players are getting pushed back by climbers, happens every draft.

His climb reminds me a bit of Horvat's back in 2013. He's going top 10, no doubt.

 

[themilosh]

Disagree.

Look at how the Dach/Nazar situation panned out.

Ffs.. stop with this Dach for Nazar.. it was Dach (#3oa) possible 2C. Perfect fit, but hes a glass Joe (them be the breaks). There is no way we select Nazar had we not made the trade.

I'd do that deal all over again and twice on Sunday.. Dach showed real potential, and still might.. but this is his final year - he's gotta go all in over the Summer just to establish himself as a 3Winger.. if not then his career is basically over..

 

[Bottomshelf]

I’d be okay with trading up, also be okay with trading one of the picks but would still like us to use a first rounder this year. We also have a couple seconds and 3 thirds to use to trade up.

 

[themilosh]

I’d be okay with trading up, also be okay with trading one of the picks but would still like us to use a first rounder this year. We also have a couple seconds and 3 thirds to use to trade up.

Why not identify the perfect 2C, like Crosby and gift Pitts with all of our draft picks this year?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Ffs.. stop with this Dach for Nazar.. it was Dach (#3oa) possible 2C. Perfect fit, but hes a glass Joe (them be the breaks). There is no way we select Nazar had we not made the trade.

I'd do that deal all over again and twice on Sunday.. Dach showed real potential, and still might.. but this is his final year - he's gotta go all in over the Summer just to establish himself as a 3Winger.. if not then his career is basically over..

People who bring up Nazar with the Dach trade just tell on themselves that they either A - don't understand how trades work or B - try to have something to complain about.

The 13th OA pick used to select Nazar was no more ours than Bonino was when we retained on his salary.

If Dach isn't available we don't trade Romanov. It was a three way trade in essence. The 13th was never acquired for ANY reason OTHER than to flip it for Dach.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Nazar is worthless here. Too small. There was probably no one they liked which is why they went for Dach. The only indication of a glass body was the injury at the WJC on what looked like a nothing play.

How is anyone even talking about the Nazar/Dach thing as though it is a real conversation. It was a foolish assertion when it was originally brought up by fans who seemingly don't have a clue how to connect the dots and are unable to distinguish the abstract from the linear.

Hughes and Gorton acquired the pick solely in order to acquire Dach. They were not looking to trade Romanov for a pick as this was exclusively a sequence of events singularly set in motion to acquire a top six center with size.

Splitting the sequence into multiple singular and entirely independent transactions is a vulgar display of intellectual dissonance that is not founded in rational thought and is overwhelmingly obliterated by every shred of evidence that has been shared by Hughes/Gorton.

I am not saying that you support this ridiculous narrative but that those who do are just wasting everyone's time and are dragging this thread into flat earth territory. So can we just take this talking point behind the shed and be done with it?

 

[Andrei79]

Disagree.

Look at how the Dach/Nazar situation panned out.

What Dach/Nazar situation ? They traded Romanov for Dach. They never had any intention of drafting at 13 or drafting Nazar.

 

[Bottomshelf]

Why not identify the perfect 2C, like Crosby and gift Pitts with all of our draft picks this year?

Personally I don’t think we are just a 2C away from a cup contender (albeit Crosby just might do it) so giving up a huge chunk of picks this year to me would be indicating that we think we have all the prospects we need to fill out the roster over the next few years and that we should start trading picks for specific targets. Maybe we are there but I think next year would be the year we would be moving the picks. I do think we don’t need all of our picks this year and should trade some but I’d still want to add another potential top 6 forward through the draft.

 

[Habs]

OTHER MODS!

 

[Habsrule]

People have to stop with the Dach for Nazar trade.

This is my example as to why that theory doesn’t work;

The Oilers traded a 2nd round pick to Montreal for Brett Kulak. That pick turned out to be Lane Hutson. Did the Oilers trade Lane Hutson for Brett Kulak?

 

[sampollock]

Man KH give us a draft to remember

 

[Maitz]

I’d be very very careful with the ‘’more grit’’ wishes. This is a recency bias and could bite us in the a**. Do NOT draft on current needs.

History will keep repeating itself. We did the same following Boston series then we overeached for a 6’6 Mccaron and plenty other wasteful picks solely based on ‘’size’’.

We should always draft by talent because who knows who will be in the lineup by the time those draft picks start to play, maybe we'll sign or trade for bigger so then those 1st picks will arrive

 

[River Meadow]

Ffs.. stop with this Dach for Nazar.. it was Dach (#3oa) possible 2C. Perfect fit, but hes a glass Joe (them be the breaks). There is no way we select Nazar had we not made the trade.

I'd do that deal all over again and twice on Sunday.. Dach showed real potential, and still might.. but this is his final year - he's gotta go all in over the Summer just to establish himself as a 3Winger.. if not then his career is basically over..

That's great, I'm happy that you would do the trade again.

You're entitled to your opinion, but,

It doesn't mean it's the universally recognized truth, just because you think it to be. I hope you realize this.

Dach had a lot of potential at the time, yes, but he also had been extremely underwhelming and there was a reason he was traded so young, and that's not even mentioning his absolutely horrifying freak wrist injury, which should be taken into account as well.

Dach could still turn it around, and I realize we did not trade Dach for Nazar technically, but we actively chose to attempt to speed run the rebuild in a sense with this move, on a player with a questionable past taking into account health and performance.

Those are the facts, and look where we are today.

 

[Habs Icing]

I'm off the Hage hype train, I'd move him with one of our picks this year for immediate help.

Why? It's not going where you want, or you just don't like the accommodations?

 

[Habs]

Why? It's not going where you want, or you just don't like the accommodations?

All of the above

 

[JeffreyLFC]

For all we know, The Habs might have drafted another player than Nazar if they only traded Romanov for the 13th overall pick.

 

[sampollock]

I am not keen on trading Hage, after the efforts of KH to get that pick

 

[26Mats]

For all we know, The Habs might have drafted another player than Nazar if they only traded Romanov for the 13th overall pick.

And Hughes said they made the Romanov trade to get the 13th pick because the Blackhawks wanted a 1st for Dach. So we don’t know if they would have traded Romanov for a 1st if they weren’t trading for Dach.

But since Hughes was looking for a center, what’s really too bad is that they didn’t trade for Dach and sign Dylan Strome for free!

 

[slaffable]

All of the above

Any reason why? He's one of the most talented prospects we've had in our system over the last 15 years.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Nazar is worthless here. Too small. There was probably no one they liked which is why they went for Dach. The only indication of a glass body was the injury at the WJC on what looked like a nothing play.

This is actually false if we are to believe the reports, but the alternative wouldn’t have been much better.

Reports were that Montreal loved Noah Ostlund in the draft and tried to move up from 13 into the top-10 to get him but the price was too high, so they settled for Dach.

If they waited a bit longer they would’ve seen that Ostlund was available at 13 the whole time but they acted too quickly.

Ostlund hasn’t proven anything yet though, and if we actually paid assets to move up for him in the top-10 that probably would’ve been worse than just taking Nazar or getting Dach

 

[No More Subban]

I am not keen on trading Hage, after the efforts of KH to get that pick

Can't believe he's even being brought up for trade. I love his story and I think he can easily be our Nazar. Just need some patience.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

People who bring up Nazar with the Dach trade just tell on themselves that they either A - don't understand how trades work or B - try to have something to complain about.

The 13th OA pick used to select Nazar was no more ours than Bonino was when we retained on his salary.

If Dach isn't available we don't trade Romanov. It was a three way trade in essence. The 13th was never acquired for ANY reason OTHER than to flip it for Dach.

It wasn’t a 3 way trade though lmao

There was no stipulation that we had to trade the 13th overall pick. Could have just as easily stopped at Romanov + 3rd for 13th. Are the Islanders going to refuse that trade unless we’re flipping the pick for Dach? Of course not

The 13th overall pick was very much ours and in our control, just briefly

It seems like you either forgot what happened or don’t understand how trades work

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

And Hughes said they made the Romanov trade to get the 13th pick because the Blackhawks wanted a 1st for Dach. So we don’t know if they would have traded Romanov for a 1st if they weren’t trading for Dach.

But since Hughes was looking for a center, what’s really too bad is that they didn’t trade for Dach and sign Dylan Strome for free!

They were planning on purging every Russian from the organization regardless that summer, so a 1st for Romanov is the likely scenario even if Dach wasn’t available