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Prospect Info: Draft 2025 - Everyone is trading up, but no one seems to be trading down edition

Opinions are like buttholes. Some are set in their ways while others are open to something different.
We need the most skilled player we can get at 11th OA or if we trade up, (which we should try to do) if its not cost prohibitive! Those defensemen don't afford us that option.

Kyle suggested he wanted to add skill upfront. This draft early on will tell us if that's true or not.
 
Would those iffy on Aitcheson at 11 be more open to it if he committed to a decent NCAA program next year? No wrong answer here just curious. Might increase his appeal for me.
It just seems like his median outcome is too low upside for me to get on board. Going to the NCAA would be a plus though.
 
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I think if we HAVE to take a defenseman at 11 or 12, and I don't want to, Smith would be my first choice followed by Mrtka and then a trade down.

Actually, I am trading down.
 
Almost a week away from the draft and 5 days away from hearing if the Rangers are giving us 12 or letting it ride until next year.

I am still holding out hope they keep the pick.
 
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Almost a week away from the draft and 5 days away from hearing if the Rangers are giving us 12 or letting it ride until next year.

I am still holding out hope they keep the pick.
Great, so we can draft 25th OA next year instead of 12th 0A this year, smart! :rolleyes:
 
Great, so we can draft 25th OA next year instead of 12th 0A this year, smart! :rolleyes:
You must have the utmost faith in the Rangers turning it around.

They are one year older and their stars are on the backend of talent. They could be just as bad as this year.

Even if they are a little better, still a pick in a much better draft that gives this team more fire power to do something with.
 
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You must have the utmost faith in the Rangers turning it around.

They are one year older and their stars are on the backend of talent. They could be just as bad as this year.

Even if they are a little better, still a pick in a much better draft that gives this team more fire power to do something with.
Wouldn't the same be said for picking 11th and 12 OA this year? And in that scenario you definitively know when you'll be picking? And have ammo to possibly move up? As well as get some assets in the system a year early?

When there's a coaching change typically there's an initial surge of success. the Rags aren't exactly bereft of talent. I seriously doubt they'll miss the post season next year. And if they get in with good goaltending they could go on a run. Sullivan can easily screw us.
 
I would rather 2 shots at McKenna than 12 this year. The Islanders just got the 1st pick after barely missing the playoffs. The Rangers repeating another disappointing season is well within the range of outcomes. We can easily get 2025 draft picks for Rust and/or Rakell.
 
I would rather 2 shots at McKenna than 12 this year. The Islanders just got the 1st pick after barely missing the playoffs. The Rangers repeating another disappointing season is well within the range of outcomes. We can easily get 2025 draft picks for Rust and/or Rakell.
Listen! Rags aren't gonna miss the playoffs next year, stop with the fables. Forget about McKenna.

They will make the playoffs next year and if they go on a run they could finish 29th-32hd. I'd rather get a guaranteed 12TH OA this year.

Now, I don't know what the Rangers will decide, but if I'm Drury I'm keeping this years pick. I hope he doesn't however.
 
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It does look like they’re going to do their darndest to get back in the playoffs. Lavi to Sully is a lateral move but they’ll get that new coach bounce that’ll last at least a little while. Their PP stunk but Quinn turned ours around so he can probably do it for the Rangers. Some guys are on the wrong side of 30 but Fox, Miller, Lafreniere and Cuylle aren’t.

I guess it’s kind of a catch-22 because if they offersheet someone that’ll improve their team but they can only offersheet someone if they give us this year’s pick.
 
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Listen! Rags aren't gonna miss the playoffs next year, stop with the fables. Forget about McKenna.

They will make the playoffs next year and if they go on a run they could finish 29th-32hd. I'd rather get a guaranteed 12TH OA this year.

Now, I don't know what the Rangers will decide, but if I'm Drury I'm keeping this years pick. I hope he doesn't however.
You think the Rangers are a lot better than I do. They’re an aging team that is desperately trying to retool.
 
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Listen! Rags aren't gonna miss the playoffs next year, stop with the fables. Forget about McKenna.

They will make the playoffs next year and if they go on a run they could finish 29th-32hd. I'd rather get a guaranteed 12TH OA this year.

Now, I don't know what the Rangers will decide, but if I'm Drury I'm keeping this years pick. I hope he doesn't however.
You seem really sure about and I wouldn’t be. It’s more realistic that they finish in the low 20s. And the difference between 12 this year and 20 next year probably isn’t much.

If given the option with this weak prospect pool I would take a risk on next year’s pick. It doesn’t matter anyways because it’s NY choice.
 
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You seem really sure about and I wouldn’t be. It’s more realistic that they finish in the low 20s. And the difference between 12 this year and 20 next year probably isn’t much.

If given the option with this weak prospect pool I would take a risk on next year’s pick. It doesn’t matter anyways because it’s NY choice.
If it doesn't matter why respond?

Also, if you're guaranteed 12th OA as opposed to a draft position next year where by you don't conclusively know where they'll finish, on a team not far removed with some playoff success and an ELITE goalie, why deal with that uncertainty if you don't have to?

But yes, it's up to the RAGS. IF I were them I'd keep a 12th OA pick and bet on myself for next year with a new coach and still some really good pieces including in net.

You think the Rangers are a lot better than I do. They’re an aging team that is desperately trying to retool.
But they have a very good goalie and a new coach. Also, I feel sure they'll try to add this summer. Drury will want to be aggressive because there's a huge sense of urgency there. Again, if I were them I'd keep 12th OA and bet on myself.

It does look like they’re going to do their darndest to get back in the playoffs. Lavi to Sully is a lateral move but they’ll get that new coach bounce that’ll last at least a little while. Their PP stunk but Quinn turned ours around so he can probably do it for the Rangers. Some guys are on the wrong side of 30 but Fox, Miller, Lafreniere and Cuylle aren’t.

I guess it’s kind of a catch-22 because if they offersheet someone that’ll improve their team but they can only offersheet someone if they give us this year’s pick.
I see it similarly. Sullivan comin in will give them a boost. To what degree we'll see, but they'll improve.

And you're right Lafren, Fox etc aren't ancient and might find a groove with that team Lavi couldn't.
 
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Eklunds size doesn’t bother me too much- he should play at 5’11 185 or so

Scoring upside is hard to get a read on. But it may just be a function of the league he plays in. But he is an ‘06 and didn’t light up the U20 league last lesson.

But stats aren’t everything. He has tools to be a top 6 forward and compete to play lower down the lineup. I don’t see him as a foundational piece but think he can be a 20-30 goal heart and soul guy that is part of your “core”.
From what I learned about Eklund from Eliteprospects is that he's the play driver of his line with Frondell and that Frondell is the complementary guy benefiting from him. Frondell's 6'1 size, 200ft 2way game at Center make him the better player for sure though. Their chemistry is huge.

Since Pitt and Ana are drafting around the same spot we are looking at mostly the same players.
Eklund is a guy we are considering if all the other forwards are gone and no Dman went in the top10 and I think it could happen. Hopefully someone picks a Dman or two in the top9.
 
If it doesn't matter why respond?

Also, if you're guaranteed 12th OA as opposed to a draft position next year where by you don't conclusively know where they'll finish, on a team not far removed with some playoff success and an ELITE goalie, why deal with that uncertainty if you don't have to?

But yes, it's up to the RAGS. IF I were them I'd keep a 12th OA pick and bet on myself for next year with a new coach and still some really good pieces including in net.
Either way you’re dealing with uncertainty. It’s just which uncertainty you want to accept. The player you get this year at 12 or the player you get at the undefined draft position you’ll get next year. I was just saying I would prefer the latter. I’m not going to complain about having two 1st in either draft.
 
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From what I learned about Eklund from Eliteprospects is that he's the play driver of his line with Frondell and that Frondell is the complementary guy benefiting from him. Frondell's 6'1 size, 200ft 2way game at Center make him the better player for sure though. Their chemistry is huge.

Since Pitt and Ana are drafting around the same spot we are looking at mostly the same players.
Eklund is a guy we are considering if all the other forwards are gone and no Dman went in the top10 and I think it could happen. Hopefully someone picks a Dman or two in the top9.
His transition metrics are exceptional. I want to see his blue line data times. If his mobility is really good, I really like his chances at being a top 6 forward. Potential to be a more skilled Hagelin would be a very nice selection at #11.
 
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Either way you’re dealing with uncertainty. It’s just which uncertainty you want to accept. The player you get this year at 12 or the player you get at the undefined draft position you’ll get next year. I was just saying I would prefer the latter. I’m not going to complain about having two 1st in either draft.
I'm not complaining either, I just have a decided preference. And at 12th OA there's far less uncertainty than who knows where next year. But I will say I'd be shocked if they weren't decidedly better next year.

As far as next years draft, we don't know how those prospects will progress. It looks to be a very good draft. But we're far more familiar with this years crop.

My guess is the Rangers keep 12TH OA but I'd like to be wrong. In either scenario I'd rather be us than them (obviously).
 
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I'm not complaining either, I just have a decided preference. And at 12th OA there's far less uncertainty than who knows where next year. But I will say I'd be shocked if they weren't decidedly better next year.

As far as next years draft, we don't know how those prospects will progress. It looks to be a very good draft. But we're far more familiar with this years crop.

My guess is the Rangers keep 12TH OA but I'd like to be wrong. In either scenario I'd rather be us than them (obviously).
Which are all fair points. I do think they’ll be better but not conference finals better. Not as their roster stands today.
 
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Out of all the guys who realistically could fall to us I think Eklund, McQueen, O’Brien are my favorites.

My least favorite would be Aitcheson.
Yeah I don’t think any of the D men outside of Schaefer are good value at #11…if we have both 11 and 12 and they want to take a chance on one at 12, that’s fine…id prefer Smith if that’s the case
 
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Out of all the guys who realistically could fall to us I think Eklund, McQueen, O’Brien are my favorites.

My least favorite would be Aitcheson.
Yeah I don’t think any of the D men outside of Schaefer are good value at #11…if we have both 11 and 12 and they want to take a chance on one at 12, that’s fine…id prefer Smith if that’s the case
Aitcheson, Smith, Mrtka, Lakovic and McQueen should all be shot into the sun regarding 11th OA. No, No HELL NO!
 
Yeah I don’t think any of the D men outside of Schaefer are good value at #11…if we have both 11 and 12 and they want to take a chance on one at 12, that’s fine…id prefer Smith if that’s the case
The more I hear about Logan Hensler I like, but not at 11.
 
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Out of all the guys who realistically could fall to us I think Eklund, McQueen, O’Brien are my favorites.

My least favorite would be Aitcheson.
Same, those guys would be my 7-9. Unfortunately I don't think JOB will slide to 11, he's closer to Frondell and Desnoyers IMO.
 
Same, those guys would be my 7-9. Unfortunately I don't think JOB will slide to 11, he's closer to Frondell and Desnoyers IMO.
The only way we get JOB, or likely Martin or Eklund is move up, which we should if it's a reasonable ask.

LET me be clear, we NEED to go for guys who have the potential to be CORE pieces for the future. Can't draft complimentary pieces like some here are bantering about. Even if they have the potential to be very good complimentary pieces. There are some that clearly fit one box and others fitting a different box. Even if their rankings might be lower.

Case in point: Reschny has the potential to be a Core piece, Lakovic though ranked higher by many is more a complimentary piece.
 

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