Prospect Info: Draft 2025 - Everyone is trading up, but no one seems to be trading down edition

[Jared Grayden]

The only way we get JOB, or likely Martin or Eklund is move up, which we should if it's a reasonable ask.

Disagree. Particularly with Eklund. Likely at least two dmen will go top 10. Schaefer and one other.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Yeah I don’t think Eklund is in play until 10 tbh

 

[Ryder71]

Disagree. Particularly with Eklund. Likely at least two dmen will go top 10. Schaefer and one other.

Seattle hopefully takes a defensemen, but that doesn't guarantee Eklund or Martin will fall to us. We need to try to move up!

 

[Jared Grayden]

Seattle hopefully takes a defensemen, but that doesn't guarantee Eklund or Martin will fall to us. We need to try to move up!

Obviously nothing guarantees it, but statistically I think it's unlikely all three of O'Brien, Martin, and especially Eklund are gone top 10. Last draft to only have one defenseman go top 10 was 2006. Wingers in particular usually drop. That's why I think Martone and potentially Hagens might fall later than many believe as well.

 

[Ryder71]

Obviously nothing guarantees it, but statistically I think it's unlikely all three of O'Brien, Martin, and especially Eklund are gone top 10. Last draft to only have one defenseman go top 10 was 2006. Wingers in particular usually drop. That's why I think Martone and potentially Hagens might fall later than many believe as well.

We don't pick 10th though, we pick 11th. Hell if we picked 9th OA that would be helpful. I would just hate for all three to be gone right before we pick. Honestly I think that's how it's trending.

 

[Jared Grayden]

We don't pick 10th though, we pick 11th. Hell if we picked 9th OA that would be helpful. I would just hate for all three to be gone right before we pick. Honestly I think that's how it's trending.

That's why I said "top 10" and not '#10.' This happens every year. Wingers that are highly rated on consensus BPA rankings lose draft spots because teams do not draft based on BPA. They will draft based on organizational needs and in some cases I understand it. Centers followed closely by right defense will get priority. Because those are the hardest to acquire outside of the draft.

 

[Ryder71]

That's why I said "top 10" and not '#10.' This happens every year. Wingers that are highly rated on consensus BPA rankings lose draft spots because teams do not draft based on BPA. They will draft based on organizational needs and in some cases I understand it. Centers followed closely by right defense will get priority. Because those are the hardest to acquire outside of the draft.

You're relying upon a lot of variables there where you have no control. I'd prefer we try and have a say in this and move up. Again, if all three are gone, right before we pick, that'd be a huge punch to the gut. Damn that lottery!

 

[eXile3]

Aitcheson, Smith, Mrtka, Lakovic and McQueen should all be shot into the sun regarding 11th OA. No, No HELL NO!

I see the concern with McQueen, especially his tendency to try and Superman it, but I’m not as down on him as others.

But I definitely don’t want anyone whose main attribute is hitting.

 

[Jared Grayden]

You're relying upon a lot of variables there where you have no control. I'd prefer we try and have a say in this and move up. Again, if all three are gone, right before we pick, that'd be a huge punch to the gut. Damn that lottery!

Everyone other than Darche is relying upon variables they have no control over. It's a GUARANTEE a quality player will be available to Dubas after those three are drafted.

 

[Ryder71]

Everyone other than Darche is relying upon variables they have no control over. It's a GUARANTEE a quality player will be available to Dubas after those three are drafted.

Quality maybe, but will it be a potential core piece? That's the question.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

This year is all over the place. Your guess is just as good as mine, which is just as good as someone else's.

I think Martin will be long gone by 11. I think he is going top 5 now. Also, if NYI is trying to acquire No. 7 overall from Boston, you have to think that they believe Hagens will drop a bit.

In terms of coach bumps, you have to think OUR guy is going to get a bigger bump than their guy. We are going from an egomaniacal curmudgeon to a young, hungry teacher.

They are simply going from one curmudgeon to another. Yeah, give me the 2026 first please.

 

[T1K]

This year is all over the place. Your guess is just as good as mine, which is just as good as someone else's.

I think Martin will be long gone by 11. I think he is going top 5 now. Also, if NYI is trying to acquire No. 7 overall from Boston, you have to think that they believe Hagens will drop a bit.

In terms of coach bumps, you have to think OUR guy is going to get a bigger bump than their guy. We are going from an egomaniacal curmudgeon to a young, hungry teacher.

They are simply going from one curmudgeon to another. Yeah, give me the 2026 first please.

If they get 7 I think they could reasonably use that + other assets to get Hagens if he goes a couple picks before. This kind of stuff happens in the NBA all the time. After the top 2 I’ve seen the order of names shuffled around in a lot of ways.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

If they get 7 I think they could reasonably use that + other assets to get Hagens if he goes a couple picks before. This kind of stuff happens in the NBA all the time. After the top 2 I’ve seen the order of names shuffled around in a lot of ways.

Sure, but in the NBA slightly above average players get traded for 4 first-round picks and a 1st round pick swap, too.

It is a different world!!!

 

[T1K]

Sure, but in the NBA slightly above average players get traded for 4 first-round picks and a 1st round pick swap, too.

It is a different world!!!

Yes, just saying that 7th pick may be an attractive piece to a team in the top 6 who prefers a non-consensus ranked center (such as JOB)

 

[Ulf5]

Is it Friday yet?

 

[Ryder71]

Is it Friday yet?

You're a week early.

 

[The Old Master]

This year is all over the place. Your guess is just as good as mine, which is just as good as someone else's.

I think Martin will be long gone by 11. I think he is going top 5 now.

i think the biggest surprise we could see is martin falling in this draft. i just don't know how much weight the gm.'s and scouts are going to put in a small sample size, like us fans do. but then it only takes one.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

i think the biggest surprise we could see is martin falling in this draft. i just don't know how much weight the gm.'s and scouts are going to put in a small sample size, like us fans do. but then it only takes one.

It is not that, it's the "Sam Bennett" effect. I am starting to believe the rumors of Utah taking Martin at 4.

 

[Ryder71]

It is not that, it's the "Sam Bennett" effect. I am starting to believe the rumors of Utah taking Martin at 4.

Every team would want a player like Martin. I get the appeal, but at 4th OA that is a reach.

 

[T1K]

 

[Empoleon8771]

I figure #14 and #20 would get them up to roughly #8 if I had to guess. Would be really interested in seeing if they do that.

 

[TojoP]

i think the biggest surprise we could see is martin falling in this draft. i just don't know how much weight the gm.'s and scouts are going to put in a small sample size, like us fans do. but then it only takes one.

Honestly I do feel Martin is rising too much. Even a month ago it seemed like most people were only giving him a small chance of being a 2C, most likely a fan favorite 3C. I feel like style and position is pushing him above his talent and he shouldn't be a top ten pick.

That said, if he's a 2C, he's worth it. And I have enough faith in Dubas (at least for drafting) and Clark that if they take him I'll get behind it. But I probably only at best would rank him #11 so I wouldn't be that excited.

 

[Ulf5]

You're a week early.

I know when it is. Point being it can get here soon enough.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Bennett winning the Conn Smythe this year is going to make Martin go even higher, I honestly think he goes #4 to Utah at this point. Which is absolutely insane because Martin is nowhere near a #4 pick caliber player.

But hey, it makes it more likely O'Brien falls to the Penguins pick so I'm not complaining.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

This year is all over the place. Your guess is just as good as mine, which is just as good as someone else's.

No guess is worse than mine.