Prospect Info: Down On The Farm (Ads and Glads)

Porter Stoutheart

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Porter, Troy (4) has been better than Driedger (8) in the playoffs so far, so the Admirals have an advantage in that area. Driedger lost one game and is giving up 2.4 GAA vs Troy's 2.0 and one loss. Yesterday, Troy played the best game that I ever saw from him. He is on a hot streak.

McCormick and Shore (25, 27) are the only CV players in the top 30 in playoff scoring.

The Admirals have 4 players in the top 30 in playoff scoring (1 ,5, 11 and 12), so they seem to have an advantage.
It's not really about the small sample stats of these playoffs so far. It's who the players actually are in a larger view.
 

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It's not really about the small sample stats of these playoffs so far. It's who the players actually are in a larger view.
Well, CV has a lot of players who have become invisible, since I had to look at the top 40 scorers to find any of their guys.

The regular season is over. It is what you can do NOW that counts.


Since you are stuck on the regular season, I will give some more stats. CV has 9 other teams in their division, including Colorado, who finished 4th with 87 points and Henderson, who came in 8th with 64 points, and 9th place San Diego with 63 points.

The Admirals played those teams, going 2-2 against the Eagles, 4-0 vs the Silver Knights and 2-2 vs the Gulls, making 8 wins and 4 losses against that division.

The Admirals finished at 0.674 for the season and beat the Pacific Division teams that they played at 0.666 over 12 games. There is nothing special about CV or their division. CV had 3 weak sisters in their division and the Admirals had 2.

The Ads had 47 wins to CV's 46. CV had 11 loser points to Milwaukee's 3. That is why they had 6 more points than the Ads.
CV scored 14 more goals and gave up 11 less than Milwaukee over 72 games, about 0.2 goals per game.
 

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Looks like Ozzy is enjoying a rebirth with the Admirals. Any interest in a trade with him and Thomas Bordeleau (Sebastien's son) for Fabbro? Sharks need some real dmen on the right side.
 

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Looks like Ozzy is enjoying a rebirth with the Admirals. Any interest in a trade with him and Thomas Bordeleau (Sebastien's son) for Fabbro? Sharks need some real dmen on the right side.
I'd rather just keep Fabbro tbh, if that's the return. Although, I've got no clue on what his value even really is.
 

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Looks like Ozzy is enjoying a rebirth with the Admirals. Any interest in a trade with him and Thomas Bordeleau (Sebastien's son) for Fabbro? Sharks need some real dmen on the right side.
Nashville already has so many RWs trying to break into or stay the NHL (Tomasino, Evangelista, Kemell and then Fink/Wood in the NCAA). I reckon maybe if we clear some of the RW coffers in a trade for Marner/Necas/etc but as of right now if we trade Fabbro I'd rather it be for picks/d prospects.
 

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Looks like Ozzy is enjoying a rebirth with the Admirals. Any interest in a trade with him and Thomas Bordeleau (Sebastien's son) for Fabbro? Sharks need some real dmen on the right side.
They seem to like Ozzy in Milwaukee, but not sure that makes him any kind of NHL prospect, nor does Bordeleau seem likely to fit the identity/style that Trotz and co. are shooting for? They may pick up those players in minor league deals at some point, or sign them for the Ads if San Jose lets them go after next season? I don't know about trading an actual NHL player for them, even considering how little they seem to value Fabbro. :dunno:
 

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We've played 10 playoff games and they've only played 7.
Take the Admirals' stats and divide by 10. One guy played 9 games (Parssinen).

Take the Firebird's stats and divide by 7.

My guess is that L'Heureux and Egor will still be ahead of the CV skaters.

These goalie stats are per game. Troy 2.0 GAA and Dreidger 2.4 GAA.

Troy has 6 games played, but he played about 3 minutes in Game 4, so it is really 5 games. Driedger has 7 games played, including about 6.5 minutes of OT. That accounts for Driedger playing 127 minutes more. (Maybe Driedger will be tired?)
 
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adsfan

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They seem to like Ozzy in Milwaukee, but not sure that makes him any kind of NHL prospect, nor does Bordeleau seem likely to fit the identity/style that Trotz and co. are shooting for? They may pick up those players in minor league deals at some point, or sign them for the Ads if San Jose lets them go after next season? I don't know about trading an actual NHL player for them, even considering how little they seem to value Fabbro. :dunno:
Ozzy was a first round pick for the Sharks.

The Sharks fired their coach.

Karl Taylor could be hired by the Sharks and coach Ozzy in the NHL.

Don't be surprised if it happens!
 
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Will be interesting to see what happens with CV’s coaching staff since Bylsma was named Seattles HC.
It is okay to call them the Kracklin. I do.
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The Firebirds started Driedger, as expected.

The Admirals start Troy Grosenick in goal. The Dmen are Gravel and McKeown. The forwards are O'Reilly centering Kemell and Egor Afanasyev. The Ads are playing 11-7 as they did for about half of the season.

Cody Beach is one of the refs!!! How? Why?
Riley Brace (#49) is the other ref.

Foudy is in the lineup. He is playing with L'Heureux and ?

O'Reilly is on the PP with Kemell and Ozzy.

Ads called for their third penalty. CV scores with 5 minutes remaining in period 1

O'Reilly on with Kemell and Egor again.

Weatherby centers Foudy and Wiesblatt.
Weatherby and Studenic go to the box for Roughing with 42 seconds left. SOG are 12-12. Firebirds 1-0. Ads 4-2 in penalties.


Period 2 had the Ads jumping out in SOG, and the Firebirds closing the gap to Ads 12-10. The Ads had 2 penalties and CV had just one at the end of the period. Egor did hit a post. Still 1-0 Firebirds. Ads 6-3 in penalties. The refs missed a call or 2 on CV. Aaron Sims said PU, meaning the refs stunk!


Period 3 began with a PP, which became another 5-on-3 where the Ads did not score.
L'Heureux scores his 9th goal after a pass from Schaefer (1) with 14:40 to go! Parssinen belatedly also got an assist, his 8th. Ads leading in SOG, 5-4.

At 8:49, the same guy from CV (Hayden) scored again to make it 2-1. Ufko gets run over and no call by the refs!

SOG 33-27 Ads, 7 minutes remaining. Ads called for Tripping when they were tripped. L'Heureux gets 10 minutes on top of the minor. $20 that was Beach! Taylor talking to ref Riley Brace. L'Heureux was also given a Gamer by Beach according to Aaron Simms.

Beach should no long be a ref in the AHL!
He got into a shouting match with GR HC Dan Watson after Game 5. Aaron Simms said it was "a bad look" meaning for Beach.

Troy pulled at 1:27. SOG 38-30 Ads. Face off to the glove side of Chris Driedger. O'Reilly wins the face off. One minute remains. Icing against CV with 46 seconds. O'Reilly, Svechkov and Kemell with Ufko and Gross. The third icing in a row! Kemell tripped and no call, then Weisblatt is Hooked with 5 seconds remaining for a minor. The puck rolled over Ufko's stick and the game is over.

CV wins Game 1 by a 2-1 score.

The Ads have lost all three Game 1s in these playoffs.

Game 2 is Friday at 9 PM CDT.
 
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Game 2 at Palm Desert, CA. The Ads are 3-1 in the playoffs after a loss, but have never won at CV in four tries.

It will be Troy vs Chris Driedger in net again.

Beau Halkidis (#48) is one of the refs, meaning that Cody Beach is not. Jordan Samuels-Thomas (#42) is the other ref.

The Ads going with 11-7 again. Statsney and Wilsby. Schaefer, Parsinnen and L'Heureux. After icing, CV scores at 28 seconds. Not the start that I wanted.

At 8:36, the Ads go on the PP. They have gone 0 of 16 recently. Ads don't score on a goal mouth scramble. They had 2 chances to score on the same PP. SOG are 10-7 Ads.
The Ads are 0 for 17 now.

CV scores a PPG and a CV player was in the crease. Troy was very upset. It is called a good goal. 2-0 CV. Penalties are called on both teams. Schaefer (Xchecking) and Henman (Slashing) with 4:46 remaining. Troy is still talking to one of the refs. It will be 4-on-4 for 2 minutes. The penalties have expired. Now 2:08 remaining, SOG 13-10 Ads favor. Ads ice the puck at 1:24. After one period, it is 2-0 CV. SOG 14-10 Ads.


Period 2 begins. CV is playing with 6 skaters and no call. Ads with zero SOG in the first 4 minutes. Tomasino fanned on a shot from the slot. Parsinnen missed a scoring chance.

Ozzy (2) scores over Dreidger's shoulder to make it 2-1 with 14:32 remaining. Svechkov (4) and Ufko (6) with the assists. One goal on one shot this period.

Troy stopped a breakaway. A little over 7 minutes remaining in the period. SOG 8-5 CV. The Firebirds score with 4 minutes left to make it 3-1. SOG 15-7 CV. Schaefer gets a penalty at 19:07, the first in the period.
Ads on the PK with O'Reilly, ?, McKeown and Gravel. SOG 16-8 CV. CV leads 3-1.


Period 3 began with a lot of skating around. CV was called for Tripping about 9 minutes into the period. The Ads went 0 for 18 on the PP.

The Ads took their TO with 2:01 left. It was 4-on-4. Troy went off to make it 5-on-4. The Ads were close, but did not score. That seemed to the theme tonight, a partially open net, but they can't push the puck across the line. SOG 10-8 Admirals and 34-32 CV.


It is 2 games to zero. The Ads play at home at 7 PM on Tuesday and Thursday. Game 5 could be at 6 PM on Saturday.

Karl Taylor needs to figure out something for the offense in all 3 periods. Tomasino and Ufko were playing hard, but Milwaukee needs more results. Egor needs to score. The Admirals need to cut down on the penalties, even though it was 5-4 tonight. Their PP is not helping and the PK can only do so much, 1 of 4 tonight in a 3-1 loss.
 
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Game 3 at 7 PM CDT tonight. It is 75 F (24 C) and humid at the moment.

Zach L'Heureux leads the AHL in goals (9) and points (14). He is third in GWG with 3.
Jusso Parssinen is second in assists with 8.
Egor Afanasyev is 5th in goals with five.

I assume that it will be Grosenick versus Driedger in goal tonight. Gravel and McKeown. Foudy and Cal with Kemell.

Maybe we will see a few different forwards?
Campbell, Allison and Felhaber are likely candidates.

The refs are Justin Kea (#44) and Graedy Hamilton (#41).

My daughter just got a puck that hit the top of the safety net and knuckled down. I did not see it, but I felt a thud near my left foot.

CV scores 31 seconds in on a back door tap by #8. Driedger is jabbing Ads with his stick. CV gets a Delay penalty on Driedger and CV gets a SOG. Ads shot trickled wide. Dreidger did not see the puck coming at a half empty net. Allison dug the puck out and passed to Ozzy? who missed the net. Del Gaizo was mugged in the neutral zone. Somebody from CV said something during the line change and Marc wanted to fight him. Schaefer gets 2 for High Sticking, the only penalty called in a 6 player scrum. CV scores on a wrap around just after the penalty expires to make it 2-0 after 10 minutes.

Melanson shoves Tomasino 5 seconds after a whistle and then Schaefer shoved Melanson back hard. Ads just hit the left post. CV scores on a tip in with 4 minutes left. SOG 8-6 CV and the score is 3-0.

Two Ads jabbing at Driedger and they still don't score! 23 hitting L'Heureux after the horn by the post. CV is big and fast, like a NHL team. SOG 11-9 CV. The big problem is the team speed. There are no slow CV guys!


Period 2 starts with the Admirals winning the face off, having zone time, but no SOG. L'Heureux gets tripped and it ends in a 2-on-1 at the other end with the 4th CV goal.
Foudy for Tripping. It was a good call on a stupid penalty. The Ads killed it. Foudy had a spin-a-rama move for a SOG that draws a Hooking penalty with 14:12 remaining. Driedger to the bench for a mask repair. Kemell's shot hit him high on the forehead.
Allison on a breakaway and the puck goes into the net with 11:25 remaining. Somebody tapped it in. It was Del Gaizo off of his shin, Schaefer also had an assist. A CV player broke his stick on an Admiral and there was no call. Two or three scrums broke out, but no calls. Somebody grabbed Statsney and Gravel grabbed that guy.

Egor bumped Hughes on the end boards about 10 seconds after the puck went out of play and attracted 2 CV players. Hughes was holding Egor's stick according to my daughter, so Egor bumped him into the boards, because Hughes would not let go!

For a team up 2 games and winning 4-1, the Firebirds are a bunch of crybabies ever since the Admirals scored! Melanson, #63 boarded Foudy, then Xchecked Cal. No call. Egor was pulled down and choked from behind and no call. Ottavainen, #36 Xchecked a few Ads players and no call. Svechkov scores with an assist to Ozzy to make 4-2 CV at 16:35. The CV skaters looked panicked out there during the last 5 minutes. They are playing DIRTY in this period and refs let them get away with it. The Ads are checking them a lot in response.

Gravel gets called for a ticky-tac penalty after all of the above was ignored by Kea. The Ads have 47 seconds carrying over. A round of "ref you suck" broke out for about a minute. The SOG are 18 a piece.


The third period starts with the CV captain Slashing L'Heureux before the puck drop! No call, of course. CV RW was offside by 5 feet and it was not called. 75 gets in Ads way again! After 7.5 minutes, both teams have 3 SOG, but nobody has been close to scoring. Olofsson checks Ozzy twice after the whistle. Now he hooks Ozzy down at the left post and is called for Slashing. Fleury boards Kemell in the SE corner, no call. I saw the puck in the net, but no goal light. CV throwing elbows all over the place and no calls. There is 8:33 remaining. Allison just crushed a guy on the end boards. CV is not doing so well when you smash them all over the ice. CV's defense is now just punching people in the face. Pretty lousy way to play! Now 5:42 left, SOG 26-24 Ads. Fleury punches L'Heureux in the face, no call at 4:26. Icing on CV at 3:58. 75 gets in the way again. Icing on the Ads at 3:28. CV hit the post. Troy goes to the bench at 2:42.

Melanson scores an ENG at 2:28 to make 5-2. L'Heureux said something to a ref, probably Kea, and gets 10 minutes. My guess is that it was about CV players taking dives, especially in periods 2 and 3. The Ads outshot CV 15-7 in period 3, but CV gets the only score on the ENG.

The total SOG were 33-25 Ads in front of 4729 loud fans.

The Ads could have used a Tolvy or a Jankowski type mobile sniper on offense. That and Mutter is what is needed to slow down the Firebirds.

The Ads can't dig a 3 goal hole in period 1. The offense did not step up until the 4th CV goal. You can't play that way against an NHL type team, you need 60 minutes of effort. The Ads had 3 or 4 chances to score in period 1 and got none of them into the net. Giving up a goal in the first minute again was terrible! CV capitalizes on their scoring opportunities.

Troy made a bunch of big saves or it would have been 7 or 8 CV goals in this game. Their players overlap like in soccer and play a Russian style of hockey with fast skating and quick passing to wear the Admirals down. The Ads were slow to pass and shoot tonight, which gives CV time to block the lanes with their speed.

Expect to see the same two goalies playing on Thursday. Wade Allision was the third star of the game. The clumsy Linesman was the 4th star of the game. He broke up at least 6 Admirals rushes.

I would take Weatherby out of the line up. He isn't fast enough. Maybe play Mutter as a wing and use O'Reilly, Svechkov, Parssinen and Foudy as Centers. This is where the Ads miss Jankowski's size and face off ability.
 
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Game 3 at 7 PM CDT tonight. It is 75 F (24 C) and humid at the moment.

Zach L'Heureux leads the AHL in goals (9) and points (14). He is third in GWG with 3.
Jusso Parssinen is second in assists with 8.
Egor Afanasyev is 5th in goals with five.

I assume that it will be Grosenick versus Driedger in goal tonight.

Maybe we will see a few different forwards?
Campbell, Allison and Felhaber are likely candidates.
What value are they deriving from running 7 d? Not a shot at anyone, curious as someone that hasn't seen a game yet.
 

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What value are they deriving from running 7 d? Not a shot at anyone, curious as someone that hasn't seen a game yet.
Better defense. If one guy is injured or thrown out, they are still playing with six. They mix and match on the offense, which gives it some different looks.

They probably played 11-7 during half of the regular season games, including the streak.
 

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Isn't Haider one of our picks? If so he may be slated to be the Ads backup next year
 

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Isn't Haider one of our picks? If so he may be slated to be the Ads backup next year
Yes Haider is already signed for next year under an AHL contract. I would expect they’ll let Grigals go and Haider becomes the Atlanta starter. Unless Grosenick retires? But he has had enough of a bounce back season that he probably won’t retire now? :dunno:
 

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