Speculation: Domi Mega Thread

[ChaoticOrange]

Its not terrible, but Montreal wouldn't really value Jones or Safin, and I doubt they move Domi and Chiarot for Klefbom and Puljujarvi.



It is weird considering how many on these boards seem to think Weber has negative value and Petry is 3/4 D-man.

Weber doesn’t have much value due to his contract but he’s still a hell of a defenceman - and Petry might be better than he is. Thanks MacT. Sure couldn’t have used another RD...

 

[viceroy]

To Edm:
Domi rfa ( 6ish mil x 3 years??)
Chiarot 2 years x 3.5 mil

To Mon:
Klefbom 3 years 4.2 mil
Jones 2 years 0.85 mil x 2 years
Puljujarvi rfa (1mil x 1 year?)
Ostap Safin

No thanks bud. I like Oscar but he's one of those good D-men who's not great at anything and that's not getting you Domi let alone us adding the surprisingly effective Chiarot. I'm looking at a Paccioretty type trade for Domi, 2nd Rounder + A prospect + a decent player for balancing out cash.

We'll give you a 4th rounder for Puljularvi. A last bite at the apple for the kid.

Chiarot’s pushing 30 and...

You know they talk about having everyone in the same age group for an organization but I never understood that. IMHO there should be a bit of it all, there need to be mentors for your good young players. Subban had Hal Gill(PK had issues after Hal left,) Gallagher had Josh Gorges, Suzuki had Nate Thompson. Heck all the young Habs players called Nate, Uncle Nate and Weber, Price and Byron have tons of influence in the dressing room.

 

[Big Empty]

weird how everyone that plays with Shea Weber or Jeff Petry has career years.

They're pretty good defensemen.

How about we simplify this big package to just Domi for Klefbom.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Weber doesn’t have much value due to his contract but he’s still a hell of a defenceman - and Petry might be better than he is. Thanks MacT. Sure couldn’t have used another RD...

I think Weber's contract isn't as bad as people think considering it was front loaded and neither Montreal nor another team has to worry about cap recapture.

 

[Ctrain2k]

Its not terrible, but Montreal wouldn't really value Jones or Safin, and I doubt they move Domi and Chiarot for Klefbom and Puljujarvi.

Any reason why Montreal wouldn’t want Jones? I’ve been hearing for years they want a young NHL ready puck moving Lhd and that’s exactly what Jones is.

 

[ole ole]

To Edm:
Domi rfa ( 6ish mil x 3 years??)
Chiarot 2 years x 3.5 mil

To Mon:
Klefbom 3 years 4.2 mil
Jones 2 years 0.85 mil x 2 years
Puljujarvi rfa (1mil x 1 year?)
Ostap Safin (energetic big body, bottom 6 type Prospect, C level type) had huge praise a year ago but seems to have been supplanted by other forward prospects

I don't do Domi for that let alone add.

 

[ole ole]

So if we say Klefbom and Max Domi 's RFA rights are similar value (I don't think they're far off). Then the trade is Ben Chiarot for Puljujarvi, Jones, and Safin?

From the Oilers perspective I'd rather have Jones than Chiarot (mostly for potential and cap savings). Then we just throw in Puljujarvi.

You arent going to get many Oilers fans excited here. Especially for an inconsistent guy like Domi who would be our 3C (unless we put him back to wing again).

NO.Domi's value>>Klefbom EASILY.

 

[ole ole]

weird how everyone that plays with Shea Weber or Jeff Petry has career years.

Weird how the Oilers gave away Petry for nothing because they claim he was no good.
Now anyone that plays with Petry has a career yr.
Never change boys.

 

[CanadienShark]

I don't do Domi for that let alone add.

NO.Domi's value>>Klefbom EASILY.

That's crazy talk. Klefbom ≈ Domi.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

NO.Domi's value>>Klefbom EASILY.

we’ll see what kind of contract he gets, and even then, no.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Weird how the Oilers gave away Petry for nothing because they claim he was no good.
Now anyone that plays with Petry has a career yr.
Never change boys.

the only people claiming Petry was no good have nothing between their ears but rocks

 

[ole ole]

I think Weber's contract isn't as bad as people think considering it was front loaded and neither Montreal nor another team has to worry about cap recapture.

His cap recapture isn't near as bad now since it has been changed.

Of course, there was always the drawback of recapture penalties. Under the current CBA, if Weber retired a season early for example, the Predators, as the team that signed him originally, would have been on the hook for a cap hit of over $24 million. Under the new pending CBA, the penalty won’t go over the $7.86 million hit in any one season. However, it will apply each ensuing season up until the total recapture penalty has been paid off completely.

 

[LTIR]

Weird how the Oilers gave away Petry for nothing because they claim he was no good.
Now anyone that plays with Petry has a career yr.
Never change boys.

The they in your sentence are habs fans if i recall.
To habs fans Petry was shit when in EDM and wasnt worth a 3rd.
As with other trade as soon as.he joined MTL he became gold.

Petry was not sheltered in EDM and was not ready for top pairing ala Schultz. MacT handled him poorly as well. Glad he is working out for MTL but lets not claim that Oilers fans chased him out.

 

[LTIR]

the only people claiming Petry was no good have nothing between their ears but rocks

So fans of all other teams on hf boards including habs fans?

 

[Taytro]

NO.Domi's value>>Klefbom EASILY.

I whole heartedly disagree but thats fine, keep the guy that your team sees as a 4th liner in the most important games they've had in 3 years.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

So fans of all other teams on hf boards including habs fans?

plenty of people liked Petry a good bit, myself included

 

[ole ole]

The they in your sentence are habs fans if i recall.
To habs fans Petry was shit when in EDM and wasnt worth a 3rd.
As with other trade as soon as.he joined MTL he became gold.

Petry was not sheltered in EDM and was not ready for top pairing ala Schultz. MacT handled him poorly as well. Glad he is working out for MTL but lets not claim that Oilers fans chased him out.

Chased him out Hell no. Threw him away to the Habs for nothing. Hell Yes.

 

[ole ole]

The they in your sentence are habs fans if i recall.
To habs fans Petry was shit when in EDM and wasnt worth a 3rd.
As with other trade as soon as.he joined MTL he became gold.

Petry was not sheltered in EDM and was not ready for top pairing ala Schultz. MacT handled him poorly as well. Glad he is working out for MTL but lets not claim that Oilers fans chased him out.

I think your getting things a little mixed up.
Quite a few Oiler fans claimed he was garbage.
You gave him away for nothing to the Habs and he was given a chance and he ran with it.

 

[LTIR]

I think your getting things a little mixed up.
Quite a few Oiler fans claimed he was garbage.
You gave him away for nothing to the Habs and he was given a chance and he ran with it.

Wrong. It may have been the case for schultz but not Petry.
Oilers fans blamed MacT for mismanagement and were expecting a 1st for him.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Because Jones is a depth piece atm, and Montreal doesn't have room for depth LD right now. They already have Mete (who is younger) and Kulak (who has better impacts). They also have Romanov they plan to integrate next season and Harris, Norlinder and Struble in the prospect pool. Unless its someone that can play #1 LD right now (like Klefbom), then there really isn't much point.

 

[viceroy]

How about we simplify this big package to just Domi for Klefbom.

Klefbom ≈ Domi.

That's a big nope from me. I want a Pacioretty type return for Domi. Second rounder + A level prospect + functional/underperforming player to even out Cap. Something like Klefbom + 2nd + Samorukov for Domi + a 4th.

I whole heartedly disagree but thats fine, keep the guy that your team sees as a 4th liner in the most important games they've had in 3 years.

It's called playoff tactics. The Habs sold off Nate Thompson at the Trade Deadline and thus had a huge hole at 4th line C. Putting Domi down there turned the 4th into a strength vs PIT's under-performing bottom lines.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Small candid question to EDM fans because I don't see enough EDM games to have a clear answer by myself so please consider this as an honest question and not a provocation : if he truly is a top 4D, why is Klefbom only displaying widely negative +/- while Nurse and Larsson are not ?

 

[Taytro]

That's a big nope from me. I want a Pacioretty type return for Domi. Second rounder + A level prospect + functional/underperforming player to even out Cap. Something like Klefbom + 2nd + Samorukov for Domi + a 4th.



It's called playoff tactics. The Habs sold off Nate Thompson at the Trade Deadline and thus had a huge hole at 4th line C. Putting Domi down there turned the 4th into a strength vs PIT's under-performing bottom lines.

First of all your offer of Klefbom, a 2nd, and Samorukov for Domi and 4th is woefully bad for Edmonton. Again, over valuing Domi.

As for the "playoff tactics" idea, that would make sense however, Domi has had his minutes decrease with every game, he hasn't produced a point, and finished the series a -2 with less than 10mins played in the last game. That's not using one of your better players tactfully, thats purposely giving a player less and less playing time based on performance. Domis value is at a low right now, but MTL fans are valuing him based on last year. This is what happens with Domi, consistently inconsistent.

 

[Archijerej]

I don't like the original offer, but my fellow Habs fans who claim Klefbom is not a fair return for Domi are bonkers.
In fact, this is exactly the type of deal we should be looking for.

 

[Captain Mountain]

His cap recapture isn't near as bad now since it has been changed.

Of course, there was always the drawback of recapture penalties. Under the current CBA, if Weber retired a season early for example, the Predators, as the team that signed him originally, would have been on the hook for a cap hit of over $24 million. Under the new pending CBA, the penalty won’t go over the $7.86 million hit in any one season. However, it will apply each ensuing season up until the total recapture penalty has been paid off completely.

That's not really the point though. The point is that his contract is only significant money for two more seasons, at which point there are plenty of options to deal with his contract if his play declines severely.