Does the 2021 Habs roster not get enough credit? | HFBoards - NHL Message Board and Forum for National Hockey League

Does the 2021 Habs roster not get enough credit?

Lshap

Hardline Moderate
Jun 6, 2011
27,781
30,887
Montreal
The Habs made the playoffs many times between 2000 and 2020, but came up short because – as the cliche goes – they never were 'Built For The Playoffs'. Too small, too soft.

And then came the outlier of all outliers, the 2020/21 Habs roster that shocked the hockey world by going all the way to the Finals. Many dismissed the team as a 'fluke' in a fluke Covid season, but look again – yes, the divisions were different and the outcome unexpected, but this team didn't benefit from any flukes. In fact, they had the worst schedule and some of the worst injury luck in the league.

What they DID have was a team that was, finally, "Built For The Playoffs".

Look at that defence. Weber, Petry, Chiarot, Edmundson, Kulak (remember him?) and Romanov. That's a really good blend of size, toughness, and skill. After countless playoffs of being bullied, suddenly it was the Habs doing the bullying. Nothing fluky there – that's what a playoff defence should look like.

Add some dude named Carey Price in nets, and you have the backbone of a very solid playoff team.

The weak spot was the offence (as usual), but 2021 saw the emergence of these new kids, Suzuki and Caufield, and we acquired two new vets, Toffoli and Perry. Not coincidentally, those four players were our top forwards. Add them to our existing group of strong two-way players and it was enough... almost.

So why does that 2020/21 team get dismissed?

1) The Canadian Division. Yeah, the Covid divisions were weird, but the quality of hockey was no different than other different divisions over the decades. Just eight years earlier Tampa and Montreal were in different divisions (remember the Northeast and Southeast divisions?). The claim that the Canadian division was weak is total BS. Toronto and Edmonton were annual powerhouses. Winnipeg and Calgary were strong teams, and Vancouver was on the bubble. The only weak Canadian team was Ottawa. While our division didn't have Tampa or Vegas (ahem... didn't we beat them?), we didn't have two or three terrible teams that were even worse than Ottawa.

2) Montreal was 18th in the league. Except there was no 'league'. You can't compare point totals of teams across different divisions that never played each other. Montreal made the playoffs the usual way – by finishing high enough within their division. And remember the injuries! Price, Weber, Gallagher, Tatar, a few more – many of our top players were out for six weeks prior to the playoffs. Without that insane compressed schedule and ensuing injuries, we probably finish much higher.

3) Marc Bergevin. It was a desperate season for a desperate GM. Bergevin threw everything at the roster in a last-gasp to save his job. It was too little, too late, of course, but still.... Corey Perry, Tyler Toffoli, Eric Staal, Shea Weber, Carey Price. I mean... that's pretty cool, even if it could never last! He took a gamble on new guys, he hoped his current guys would step up, and he banked on new guys Suzuki, Caufield, Kotkaniemi to contribute. And they did, all the way through three playoff series. Call him lucky, but it's no luckier than any other unexpected Cinderella team. You still have to be good to get that far, and the 2020/21 Habs were, despite everything, good.

4) From the Finals to First-Overall Pick: 2022's epic failure short-circuited whatever credibility the 2021 team had. But one should have nothing to do with the other. The following year we lost Price, Weber, Perry, Toffoli, Petry, Danault, Lehkonen, etc.. Bergevin was gone, and with him went any warm afterglow of that one great run. I get it, but it's a shame that roster will be forever associated with Bergevin's failure, rather than appreciated for what it was on the ice.
 
Last edited:
Good and convincing take, I’m personally convinced to reassess that roster

Bergevin fell ass backward into a ton of cap space because for some seasons he (inexplicably) didn’t want to compete despite having traded for an aging Weber on a mega deal and committing a bajillion to Carey Price

Good that it kinda worked out but the fact they all fell apart immediately after should also be taken into account. Seemed like lightning in a bottle rather than a thoughtful attempt at building a winner.
 
A lot of people forget Price and Weber were out the final month or so of the regular season and returned as fresh as they possibly could be given their health issues to start those playoffs. That defence was also super underrated. I hate Bergevin, but he got it right for one season on the defensive side of things even if it was extremely short lived and luck based on health. We were very fortunate to be in the playoffs that year due to the Canadian division.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lshap
They were 18th the year Price took them on a run..........in a normal year they do not even make da playoff.

The very next year, no Price, we are a 32nd place team.....too many years of being run by a dude who thought hey make da playoff and who knows.
Not sustainable as we saw............he was shown the door. Thank the lord.

Trying not to look back and think of Price's career wasted.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Naslundforever
Following the Habs since there were 6 teams, my two favorite playoff runs were 1971 and 2021. Maybe because they were unexpected.

Adding several Cup winners to the roster that year brought a winning attitude into the locker room, rejuvenated the veterans already on the team and provided some role models for the younger players like Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov and Lekhonen.
 
The 2021 team will always have a place in my fandom heart. It's the only cup run I've ever been conscious for, and we beat three juggernauts to make it to the final (including an epic comeback on the Leafs which gives us bragging rights for the near future). Lehkonen's goal to send us to the final is one of, if not the, best moment I have as a fan.

I don't care how many asterisks there are next to it. Special bunch of guys who made the impossible almost happen. Damn the Islanders for losing like they did. Could have turned out differently.
 
The 2021 team will always have a place in my fandom heart. It's the only cup run I've ever been conscious for, and we beat three juggernauts to make it to the final (including an epic comeback on the Leafs which gives us bragging rights for the near future). Lehkonen's goal to send us to the final is one of, if not the, best moment I have as a fan.

I don't care how many asterisks there are next to it. Special bunch of guys who made the impossible almost happen. Damn the Islanders for losing like they did. Could have turned out differently.
I get the asterisk for 2020, the previous year. Because of covid, that season stopped abruptly about 70 games in, then rebooted five months later. That's not a legit season-playoffs marathon. It was more like an isolated tournament.

But 2021 was totally legit. Season, followed by playoffs, as God intended. No stupid 'play in'. Different divisions, but so what?
 
Sure I can buy the argument that it doesn't get enough credit and the usual arguments against the team are weak arguments as the OP points out. It wasn't a fluke but it also wasn't a great team, lack of scoring was always a problem for us over the past 20+ years and it was our Achilles heel again with us scoring only 1 goal or less in 3 of the 5 games during the finals.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lshap
They are so underrated. Since everyone in the US wrote off the " canadian league" no one looked at the Canadiens final month. Due to reschedule games they played almost half their season in that final month while more than 6 top players were out injured. They all came back for the playoffs still beat up and we're too hurt to make it through the final round.

Having said that, the really underrated part of their game was the penalty kill. For the first 3 rounds their penalty kill was on fire. They scored more goals than they allowed! They also had the best penalty kill during the regular season. Even now, with an entirely new penalty kill roster, Montreal still has a spectacular penalty kill. Other teams should study it.
 
Loved that team. Not a sexy team but a tough team to face. Rugged back end, solid goaltending and just enough fire power with Caufield to make a dent.

They were totally worn down though. Guys on their last breath and with a ton of mileage. Still, it was the best team we had in a decade. Mad respect. They were injured all season long so the record wasn’t all that great but they could face anyone.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lshap and HabzSauce
It gets dismissed because of a couple of things

1: Yes, the divisions were different but we ONLY played the Canadiens teams. That's the things that makes it bush league. We played 6 different teams all year long.

2. No fans, so all the games were played in empty arenas. On the other end, the 3 other divisions had fans and normal atmosphere.

3. The weak division is a fact. Only Toronto was the powerhouse we knew. Edmonton and Winnipeg were nowhere as good as they are today. Every other team in the playoffs had 63 pts or more. Only the Habs had 59.

4. This one is a personal option but the short season. Less time for a hot team to comeback to earth. I went and check, the April record of the Habs was 7-10 and 2-3-2 in May. The team was free falling and the shortened season saved them.

While your points about heavy and bruising defense are valid, the lack of talent upfront does nullify that. In a normal season, it wouldn't be enough to get into the playoffs in the first place.

As for the playoffs success, team was playing for Price, Weber and Byron. Coupled with the great D core, it was the perfect storm. But the extreme lack of talent buried us vs Tampa and it wasn't even close frankly.
 
They were 18th the year Price took them on a run..........in a normal year they do not even make da playoff.

The very next year, no Price, we are a 32nd place team.....too many years of being run by a dude who thought hey make da playoff and who knows.
Not sustainable as we saw............he was shown the door. Thank the lord.

Trying not to look back and think of Price's career wasted.

It's a little disingenuous to pretend that the following year, Price was gone and they were suddenly 32nd.

There was a lot more different than just Price being gone.

The team's captain and number one defenseman was also gone. The team's #2 centre and best defensive forward was gone, too.

Also gone from the Cup Final team were stable veterans like Corey Perry, Eric Staal, Tomas Tatar and Paul Byron only played a third of the next season too. Youngster Jesperi Kotkaniemi was also gone.

Their lowly spot in the standings was also largely the result of an in-season roster purge that saw Tyler Toffoli (who led them in scoring the previous year), Ben Chiarot, Artturi Lehkonen and Ben Kulak all dealt. The team also, for the second year in a row, dealt with a ton of injuries. Suzuki, of course, played all 82-games, but Alexander Romanov, who played 79 games, and Jake Evans, with 72, were the only other players to even hit 70 games.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lshap
That was the first season I can remember where the defense was better than Price. Carey had a really rough year and took some time to be ready for the postseason.

Good thing for us he did.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BLONG7 and Lshap
Suzuki and Caufield being too far removed from thier prime may have hampered our chances of winning the most?

Just imagine the offense with a more experienced/developed Suzuki (77 points) and a more experienced/developed Caufield (65 points) of 2023-2024!?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Gustave and Lshap
4. This one is a personal option but the short season. Less time for a hot team to comeback to earth. I went and check, the April record of the Habs was 7-10 and 2-3-2 in May. The team was free falling and the shortened season saved them.
Even if you say they were in free fall, it can change in an instant as we saw this year. We were in free fall from like mid-Jan until mid Feb with something like 2-7-1 record, then we come back from the break and go 14-5-6. There's no way of knowing whether that 2021 team would have fallen out of the playoffs or turned it around. It's just as likely the shortened season made them look worse then they really were.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lshap
It's a little disingenuous to pretend that the following year, Price was gone and they were suddenly 32nd.

There was a lot more different than just Price being gone.

The team's captain and number one defenseman was also gone. The team's #2 centre and best defensive forward was gone, too.

Also gone from the Cup Final team were stable veterans like Corey Perry, Eric Staal, Tomas Tatar and Paul Byron only played a third of the next season too. Youngster Jesperi Kotkaniemi was also gone.

Their lowly spot in the standings was also largely the result of an in-season roster purge that saw Tyler Toffoli (who led them in scoring the previous year), Ben Chiarot, Artturi Lehkonen and Ben Kulak all dealt. The team also, for the second year in a row, dealt with a ton of injuries. Suzuki, of course, played all 82-games, but Alexander Romanov, who played 79 games, and Jake Evans, with 72, were the only other players to even hit 70 games.
Some valid points.........but a few seasons before that, the habs were something like 11-2 and Price got hurt, and then once again we were the worst team in the league heading to the bottom again, without Price.
This is exposed Therrien as a fraud of an NHL coach, and Bergevin had no answers on how to build a team without his All Star goalie.......it happened to this team under Bergevin a few times, when Price couldn't cover over all of our problems, brought on by our GM.
 
  • Like
Reactions: FerrisRox
they were built like the 93 team, big, skilled and tough with wicked goaltending. Then the morons at Molson forgot what made them successful and they went small again and here we are , trying to get bigger... like clockwork... and still no 2C since Staal lol
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lshap
Agreed completely, it wasn’t a fluke run at all

They had a huge, mean defense and a good blend up speed/skill and grit up front all backstopped by a top 5 G of all time at his peak
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lshap and Gustave
It was all a mirage sorry

The team was not very good
But Carey and Weber gave everything they had on their last legs
Byron gave everything he had
Suzuki and Caufield emerged

Leafs choked as usual, our goalie was better than their goalie (MUCH BETTER)
Jets weren't that good, and less so without Scheiffele
Vegas probably beats us 8 times out of 10, but we got a lil lucky here n there, and again, our Goalie was MUCH better than BOTH their goalies

Then we got trounced on the final stage by a cheating team

But the next year told us, yeah that was NOT a 'team built for the playoffs'
That was the Carey Price show
One last time.
 
It was all a mirage sorry

The team was not very good
But Carey and Weber gave everything they had on their last legs
Byron gave everything he had
Suzuki and Caufield emerged

Leafs choked as usual, our goalie was better than their goalie (MUCH BETTER)
Jets weren't that good, and less so without Scheiffele
Vegas probably beats us 8 times out of 10, but we got a lil lucky here n there, and again, our Goalie was MUCH better than BOTH their goalies

Then we got trounced on the final stage by a cheating team

But the next year told us, yeah that was NOT a 'team built for the playoffs'
That was the Carey Price show
One last time.
Why Lucky? We had a team build for the playoff
Tampa were lucky to have Hedman and Vasilevsky then?
Weber and Price were elite caliber. They had a monstrous defensive. Petry was a top 3 dman and we had Chiarot and Edmundson. They were excellent defensively.
There was no luck at all in 2021.
The problem is Bergevin decided to build a team very too late.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lshap and Gustave

Users who are viewing this thread

Latest posts

Ad

Ad