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Dekes For Days said:
Draisaitl and Matthews were both in the 15-16% range.
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I would argue the following.

AM and LD are C's
AM is the Captain
AM and LD have multiple awards.
LD hugely productive in deep runs
AM has 3 Rockets - hardest achievement

I would the bring up many other wingers who are comparable in the 11-12.5% range. Based on a 96m cap, 12.5% is $12M


That would be my final offer. Equal to Rantanen
 
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thewave said:
I would argue the following.

AM and LD are C's
AM is the Captain
AM and LD have multiple awards.
LD hugely productive in deep runs
AM has 3 Rockets - hardest achievement

I would the bring up many other wingers who are comparable in the 11-12.5% range. Based on a 96m cap, 12.5% is $12M


That would be my final offer. Equal to Rantanen
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Sounds like they've already offered him $13+m. You think the Leafs have enough balls to take that offer off the table?
 
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ToneDog said:
Sounds like they've already offered him $13+m. You think the Leafs have enough balls to take that offer off the table?
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He wants to be in the Drai/Mack/Matthews bracket of pay. He will happily tarnish any good will that remains with the fanbase to try and get it too.
 
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IPS said:
He wants to be in the Drai/Mack/Matthews bracket of pay. He will happily tarnish any good will that remains with the fanbase to try and get it too.
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I would laugh if the Leafs walk from it and he lands a 7x11 or 11.5m
 
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Dekes For Days said:
Draisaitl and Matthews were both in the 15-16% range.
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Feels like Draisaitl is most interesting is as we all talk about guys like Rantanen and Marner, Draisaitl is also not really "the man" on his team and much like Rantanen, his numbers away from "the man" on his team (McDavid) on a line are pretty rough the last 3 years in the playoffs.

5v5 in the playoffs the last 3 years:

McDavid/Draisailtl:
Goals for: 38
Goals Against: 17

McDavid without Draisaitl:
Goals for: 31
Goals Against: 23

Draisaitl without McDavid:
Goals for: 21
Goals Against: 33

...all in roughly a close amount of minutes sample sizes.

Draisaitl goes from a 13 million dollar 5v5 player to a million dollar one with the removal of just one player in the playoffs. Edmonton better hope McDavid stays with them above all else. They do have insane chemistry together and I don't think the loss of a player will hurt a team more than the Oilers losing McDavid in maybe the history of hockey.
 
Zybalto said:
Feels like Draisaitl is most interesting is as we all talk about guys like Rantanen and Marner, Draisaitl is also not really "the man" on his team and much like Rantanen, his numbers away from "the man" on his team (McDavid) on a line are pretty rough the last 3 years in the playoffs.

5v5 in the playoffs the last 3 years:

McDavid/Draisailtl:
Goals for: 38
Goals Against: 17

McDavid without Draisaitl:
Goals for: 31
Goals Against: 23

Draisaitl without McDavid:
Goals for: 21
Goals Against: 33

...all in roughly a close amount of minutes sample sizes.

Draisaitl goes from a 13 million dollar 5v5 player to a million dollar one with the removal of just one player in the playoffs. Edmonton better hope McDavid stays with them above all else. They do have insane chemistry together and I don't think the loss of a player will hurt a team more than the Oilers losing McDavid in maybe the history of hockey.
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McDavid with Willy would be insane.
 
Zybalto said:
Feels like Draisaitl is most interesting is as we all talk about guys like Rantanen and Marner, Draisaitl is also not really "the man" on his team and much like Rantanen, his numbers away from "the man" on his team (McDavid) on a line are pretty rough the last 3 years in the playoffs.

5v5 in the playoffs the last 3 years:

McDavid/Draisailtl:
Goals for: 38
Goals Against: 17

McDavid without Draisaitl:
Goals for: 31
Goals Against: 23

Draisaitl without McDavid:
Goals for: 21
Goals Against: 33

...all in roughly a close amount of minutes sample sizes.

Draisaitl goes from a 13 million dollar 5v5 player to a million dollar one with the removal of just one player in the playoffs. Edmonton better hope McDavid stays with them above all else. They do have insane chemistry together and I don't think the loss of a player will hurt a team more than the Oilers losing McDavid in maybe the history of hockey.
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You truly are the master at speedbagging other player's careers to try and prop up the Leafs.

If you've watched 1 second of Draistaitl in the playoffs you would not be claiming he's a "product of McDavid." He's a gamer to the core and the whole hockey world knows it.

Your takes just keep getting more awful, not sure how it was possible but you keep setting the bar.
 
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IPS said:
You truly are the master at speedbagging other player's careers to try and prop up the Leafs.

If you've watched 1 second of Draistaitl in the playoffs you would not be claiming he's a "product of McDavid." He's a gamer to the core and the whole hockey world knows it.

Your takes just keep getting more awful, not sure how it was possible but you keep setting the bar.
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He's a gamer with McDavid no doubt and they are one of the best 1-2 punches in the history of hockey. Their PP chemistry in legendary.

Pointing out the fact he has brutal numbers in the playoffs away from him isnt spin of any kind. He just has brutal numbers away from him. Im not conjuring those up out of thin air. Its a plain fact. Just because you dont want to believe it doesnt make it any less true.


I can help him out a bit if you like. Like the Leafs, the Oilers have had weak support and poor goaltending which helps make a case its not all on him. He also tends to have tougher usage away from McDavid.

His numbers are still rough.
 
Zybalto said:
He's a gamer with McDavid no doubt and they are one of the best 1-2 punches in the history of hockey. Their PP chemistry in legendary.

Pointing out the fact he has brutal numbers in the playoffs away from him isnt spin of any kind. He just has brutal numbers away from him. Im not conjuring those up out of thin air. Its a plain fact. Just because you dont want to believe it doesnt make it any less true.


I can help him out a bit if you like. Like the Leafs, the Oilers have had weak support and poor goaltending which helps make a case its not all on him. He also tends to have tougher usage away from McDavid.

His numbers are still rough.
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And just like all the other numbers you post - you maybe post about 30% of the actual relevant data that needs to be taken into account alongside it to actually get any semblance of an accurate picture.

Just like those morons a couple years ago attributing Pastrnak's production to the Marchand-Bergeron duo he played with (I don't think it was you, it was other posters) and how his numbers were just so awful away from them that he couldn't possibly produce on his own. You go and you watch the games and you see it's not even remotely accurate, much like this claim with Draisaitl.

I love posts like those cause they always age like milk.
 
IPS said:
And just like all the other numbers you post - you maybe post about 30% of the actual relevant data that needs to be taken into account alongside it to actually get any semblance of an accurate picture.

Just like those morons a couple years ago attributing Pastrnak's production to the Marchand-Bergeron duo he played with (I don't think it was you, it was other posters) and how his numbers were just so awful away from them that he couldn't possibly produce on his own. You go and you watch the games and you see it's not even remotely accurate, much like this claim with Draisaitl.

I love posts like those cause they always age like milk.
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Oh, you can notice when Drai and McDavid arnt together....mainly because its impossible to miss them constantly finding each other out there on the ice. It's like Gretz/Kurri chemistry.

Drai has shown signs in the regular seasons at certain points he can carry a line up to that level but the playoffs have been a different beast for him.
 
Zybalto said:
Oh, you can notice when Drai and McDavid arnt together....mainly because its impossible to miss them constantly finding each other out there on the ice. It's like Gretz/Kurri chemistry.

Drai has shown signs in the regular seasons at certain points he can carry a line up to that level but the playoffs have been a different beast for him.
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You know what - you shouldn't even be asking me anyway, what do I know. Go post your theory on the Oil board and see how they react to it. The fans who watch every team's game every year and know Drai 10x better than we do.

One of the biggest pet peeves of Oiler's fans is Drai getting dismissed as having his production inflated by McDavid.
 
IPS said:
You know what - you shouldn't even be asking me anyway, what do I know. Go post your theory on the Oil board and see how they react to it. The fans who watch every team's game every year and know Drai 10x better than we do.

One of the biggest pet peeves of Oiler's fans is Drai getting dismissed as having his production inflated by McDavid.
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In the end, what does it matter if his lines give up the most goals of any almost top line fowards in the league in the playoffs(which is the case). The fact they can outscore any defensive/goaltending issues in the playoffs works just fine (and have Skinner steal them a game or 2 like the clinching game in Dallas last year).

I catch games when I can and we'll see if Draisaitl can buck the trend this year. He may be having the best season of his career overall and his defensive numbers are solid.
 
Zybalto said:
In the end, what does it matter if his lines give up the most goals of any almost top line fowards in the league in the playoffs(which is the case). The fact they can outscore any defensive/goaltending issues in the playoffs works just fine (and have Skinner steal them a game or 2 like the clinching game in Dallas last year).

I catch games when I can and we'll see if Draisaitl can buck the trend this year. He may be having the best season of his career overall and his defensive numbers are solid.
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When you're dealing with a player like Drai who's body of work over his career is so insanely consistent you're gonna need to provide way, way more than some simple GF/GA numbers to get the full picture of what's actually happening. For non-pandemic years he's on about a 7-year streak now of 100+ points and somehow he maintains this consistency in the postseason too, you don't end up with 108 points, 41 goals in 74 games by some fluke or being some bizarre external circumstances.
 
Still pretty much running away with it as the team scoring leader.

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IPS said:
When you're dealing with a player like Drai who's body of work over his career is so insanely consistent you're gonna need to provide way, way more than some simple GF/GA numbers to get the full picture of what's actually happening. For non-pandemic years he's on about a 7-year streak now of 100+ points and somehow he maintains this consistency in the postseason too, you don't end up with 108 points, 41 goals in 74 games by some fluke or being some bizarre external circumstances.
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I don't think both teams have had great goalies in net but just compare Marner away from Matthews and Rantanen away from MacKinnon to Draisaitl away from McDavid

5v5 Over the last 3 years in the playoffs, Robin without Batman:
TOI:
Draisaitl: 476 minutes
Rantanen: 243 minutes
Marner: 149 minutes

Goals For/60:
Draisaitl: 2.63
Rantanen: 2.52
Marner: 2.39

Goals Allowed/60:
Draisaitl: 4.15
Rantanen: 3.18
Marner: 1.18

My whole point was that the Oilers should resign McDavid at any cost because its not just losing a generational player, its breaking up one of the greatest combos ever and Drai has NOT been effective in the playoffs without him. (and, yea I snuck in Marner being a lockdown defensive stud lol)

ACC1224 said:
Still pretty much running away with it as the team scoring leader.

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Hope McMann can hit that 20 goal mark.
 
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