Does Kucherov have a shot at becoming a top 5 winger of all time ?

[WarriorofTime]

Second amongst drafted in last 30 years after Ovechkin.

Right now I think Bossy is a good comparison to Kucherov. Monster playoffs, dynasty, and dominant in the regular season. The difference is that Kucherov is not going up against The great one so he can actually win some individual hardware. I think Kucherov drives his team more than Bossy did and with longevity he will pass him. I am really high on Kucherov and only have 6 wings clearly ahead, but some of them I have a hard time seeing him pass.

Howe
Jagr
OV
Bobby Hull
Lafleur
Bossy/Kucherov

Bossy has never had any season let alone two as good as Kucherov in 2018-19 and 2023-24.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Howe
Jagr
Lafleur
Ovechkin
Richard
Hull

He's in the top 10, but I dont see him knocking off any of the 6 listed.

I'd have no problem putting Kucherov behind Ovi, Jagr and Howe when all is said and done.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Second amongst drafted in last 30 years after Ovechkin.


Bossy has never had any season let alone two as good as Kucherov in 2018-19 and 2023-24.

To add, Bossy finished second in points only once and the difference between Gretzky and Bossy was the same as then difference between Bossy and the 39th highest scorer (smaller league as well).

 

[Master P]

I think he has a shot. He doesn't rely on speed so I think his game will age pretty well.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Now, that Kucherov has the NHL record for points in a season by a winger, he enters the conversation of being a top 10 or even top 5 winger of all time.

With his regular season accolades and impeccable play off performances, where do you see him by the end of his career ?

Jagr had 149 in 95-96 so he still has the points record by a winger

 

[Matsun]

Second amongst drafted in last 30 years after Ovechkin.


Bossy has never had any season let alone two as good as Kucherov in 2018-19 and 2023-24.

Agree. I think Bossy has a playoff edge, more strong seasons and his 82 season would lead the league if not for Gretzky which is why I have them tied right now. For me it would be enough with 1 more season like 19-20 to clearly pass Bossy.

 

[boredmale]

Howe
Jagr
Lafleur
Ovechkin
Richard
Hull

You forgot



Best Winger ever

 

[Regal]

I don’t see why not.

There’s only one untouchable on the list (Howe).

There’s just enough chinks in the armor for the rest to be argued against depending on how the rest of Kucherov’s career plays out…and while Ovechkin is going to have the glory of the goal record clouding a lot of judgement, if we’re being honest, he has spent just two halves as a top 5 player post age 24 (second half of 2012-2013 and the first half of 2021-2022).

He was arguably the best forward in 14-15 as well

 

[Midnight Judges]

Yet he was not a top 5 player for roughly 13 seasons worth of games since the conclusion of the 2009-2010 season.

I mean, he's 38. He was the absolute best player in the world for 3-5 years and top 3-5 for another 12 years after that, led his team to a cup at 33, and led the NHL in goals at ages 27, 28, 29, 30, 32, 33, 34 - 7 times in 8 years but you think that's not a top 5 player?

Agree to disagree? I dunno.

 

[Regal]

There's no era adjustment that brings Ovechkin close to 145 points this year.

Henrik Sedin who played in the same era matched Ovechkin's career high in points playing 3 minutes a night less to boot.

Ovechkin’s ‘08 is roughly equivalent to 75 goals and 130 points today, with more primary points, less help, and better play driving 5v5. I think that’s better than what Kucherov is doing, though it’s close.

He also had 109 points in 72 games in ‘10, a 124 point pace, that’s roughly equivalent to 135-140 points today.

People need to stop focusing on the name of Henrik Sedin to denigrate players from that era. Yea he doesn’t belong with these other players, but the reality is he put up an Art Ross year that probably wins half the time in the last 30 years.

 

[Toby91ca]

Now, that Kucherov has the NHL record for points in a season by a winger, he enters the conversation of being a top 10 or even top 5 winger of all time.

With his regular season accolades and impeccable play off performances, where do you see him by the end of his career ?

No he doesn't.

I voted top 10, he needs more years to get there, but certainly looks like he's on his way. I don't see him cracking the top 5....not sure how he could be seen above Howe, Ovechkin, Hull, Jagr or Lafleur

 

[frisco]

Among contemporaries is Kucherov clearly better than Patrick Kane? That's not a knock on him but a legit question? Their credentials are pretty close, I'd say.

My Best-Carey

 

[Toby91ca]

Wait....I just looked at results....there are 3 people that think Kucherov, if his career ended today is already ahead of 1 of Howe, Jagr, Ovechkin, Hull or Lafleur? How can someone people come to that conclusion?

 

[killa3312]

Among contemporaries is Kucherov clearly better than Patrick Kane? That's not a knock on him but a legit question? Their credentials are pretty close, I'd say.

My Best-Carey

Kucherov is like Kane turned up a couple more notches, I think he’s definitely the superior player at his best compared to Kane’s best.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Top 10 most likely. Howe, Bobby Hull, Jagr, and Ovechkin are all better. Jagr has 5 Art Ross wins including 4 in a row.

Disagree, I prefer Kucherov at his peak to Ovechkin. When did Ovechkin score 145 points?

Ovechkin has 9 Rockets and will probably finish with 900 goals. 20 seasons of being a dominant goal scorer. That trumps anything Kucherov has done.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Didn't see that this was all time before voting. Oops.

Kucherov currently sits at a 1.2PPG in the regular season. If he keeps that pace up for another 3 years, he'll have about 300 more points. Skaters usually see a decline past that point (or close to it), so if he falls off a cliff or retires at 33 where does he fit at that point?

I think Ovechkin and Jagr are above him due to their longevity and similarity of accolades otherwise. Howe, Lafleur, Richards and Hull are all up there.

Kucherov is now currently the sole record holder for most assists in a season by a winger (currently at 96). Assuming he wins the Ross this year, that'll put him up to two Rosses.

If he doesn't win anything else after this, keeping his current accolades and assuming he wins the Ross, I could see possibly putting him above Hull on the top 10 list.

Now, if he plays for 6 seasons at this pace instead of 3? Or if he wins 2 more Rosses or another Hart...I think that's when it starts getting dicey for me. There's a non zero chance he ends up with just as many points or just below Jagr, and he could definitely get a few more Rosses. IF he ends up with 4+ Rosses, 2 cups, and at least one Hart? I think he'd be pretty close to breaking into the top 5. Very debateable.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Among contemporaries is Kucherov clearly better than Patrick Kane? That's not a knock on him but a legit question? Their credentials are pretty close, I'd say.

My Best-Carey

He has surpassed Kane, the highest producing player of the 2010s.

My Best-WarriorofTime

 

[Sky04]

Wherever Jagr is, I think Kucherov will rank either just below or just above. Same tier.

I'm at just below Jagr, hard to argue Jagr doesn't have the same peak but significantly better longevity. And he still has 5 Art Ross's, 3 Lindsays...

 

[Toby91ca]

I'm at just below Jagr, hard to argue Jagr doesn't have the same peak but significantly better longevity. And he still has 5 Art Ross's, 3 Lindsays...

Peak isn't even the same....Jagr, at his peak, was scoring more points in lower scoring era.

 

[Rorschach]

i cant possibly say all time but in the last 20-30 years the only winger that i can think of that id take over kucherov is ovechkin.

edit: almost forgot jagr

You forgot about Gre'

 

[Sky04]

Peak isn't even the same....Jagr, at his peak, was scoring more points in lower scoring era.

When did Jagr score more than 139 points in a year with LOWER scoring than 2024? None.

Also, Jagr playing with Lemieux is like Kucherov getting to play with McDavid.

 

[ViD]

I mean Jagr didn’t really have generational center competition during his Art Ross years though.. Mario and Wayne were not playing much

 

[Toby91ca]

When did Jagr score more than 139 points in a year with LOWER scoring than 2024? None.

Also, Jagr playing with Lemieux is like Kucherov getting to play with McDavid.

I was talking average peak, not single year....but his 62g and 149pts was in a year with basically the same scoring as this season. I get the Lemieux thing though. I'm not a Jagr fan by any stretch of the imagination, I simply don't see any argument whatsoever that Kucherov would be ahead of Jagr (today anyway).

 

[Givememoneyback]

Jagr, Lefleur, Ovi, Hull, probably missing a fifth guy, oh, Howe.

 

[Felidae]

I mean Jagr didn’t really have generational center competition during his Art Ross years though.. Mario and Wayne were not playing much

His Art Ross competition wasn't that strong, but he was competing with a top 2 goalie of all time in Hasek for the MVP.