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Does it feel like 'it's happening' to anyone else?

RedHawkDown said:
He's been very bad this year, so I'd be a bit careful with him. Riding hype.
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The Rangers have been very bad. He's been more than solid prior to this season. I doubt he suddenly fell off at 25yo (he turned 25 last week).

And having a down year, could be a good thing with regards to acquisition and/or extension costs...
 
norrisnick said:
The Rangers have been very bad. He's been more than solid prior to this season. I doubt he suddenly fell off at 25yo (he turned 25 last week).
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I get what you're saying, but the Rangers are 1 point behind us. Our young Dmen have been fantastic. Lots of guys look great when they first come into the league but quickly get exploited and never return to that form once teams get video on them and can take advantage.
 
RedHawkDown said:
Chychrun is not really the style we want as Seider's partner, though - he's a very offense-first player. If not Prov, then someone like Nic Hague fits the bill much better I think. Gavrikov and Pettersson are also good options.
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These two have been my picks all season. My ideal is Samuelsson from Buffalo, but I highly doubt they sell their only consistent shutdown guy.
 
RedHawkDown said:
I get what you're saying, but the Rangers are 1 point behind us. Our young Dmen have been fantastic. Lots of guys look great when they first come into the league but quickly get exploited and never return to that form once teams get video on them and can take advantage.
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The only real issue with Miller this season is his counting stats. Defensively he's fine. And he's the D for the Rangers getting all the hard matchups. Not to the extreme that Mo is, but far higher than anyone else on that team. But, either way, this is the type of player you make a play for. Young, still tons of room to grow, that might be struggling a bit in a bad situation. Partly because they're somewhat available. No one is moving a young kid that's firing on all cylinders.
 
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I mean was there ever really any doubt, so many high profile prospects just needed time to start finding their footing. It's nice to see a positive post.
 
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Not really for me...Then again I'm the pessimistic, glass half empty type...After Blashill I never thought we'd see a even more incompetent dickhead coaching this team...And then there was Uncle Fester.

It's gonna take A LOT to convince me otherwise.
 
FMichael said:
Not really for me...Then again I'm the pessimistic, glass half empty type...After Blashill I never thought we'd see a even more incompetent dickhead coaching this team...And then there was Uncle Fester.

It's gonna take A LOT to convince me otherwise.
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You should watch the hockey games... be less negative... and enjoy about this era.

Jeff Blashill and his players are not impacting in here.
Derek Lalonde and his systems aren't really impacting anymore.

It's McLellan era and our kids.

Time to believe and enjoy.
 
I have hope now, which is awesome. Coaching change really upped the momentum and the team is looking good. I stand by that we need to make the playoffs this year otherwise major changes are still needed.
 
Pizza!Pizza! said:
I have hope now, which is awesome. Coaching change really upped the momentum and the team is looking good. I stand by that we need to make the playoffs this year otherwise major changes are still needed.
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Out of curiosity what kind of major changes? I can see fans thinking playoffs are must, nothing wrong with that. I'm in the group that thinks it's great but it may not happen, next year is when the pressure really intensifies. Mainly because McLellan didn't get a full 82 game run at it, but clearly the entire coaching staff and roster has responded and played more to expectations now. Also personally don't think under the best circumstances, they were a lock to make it this year.
 
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I'll breathe easier when future goaltending emerges at the NHL level, but yeah, I'm seeing everything coming together. 3 of Stevie's picks are ascendant as high quality players with some solid prospects in the pipeline.
 
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The Zermanator said:
My suggestion wasn't that the team has arrived. We may not even make the playoffs this year based on the hole that was dug in Lalonde's chunk of the season. It was that the rebuild has arrived. Those individual things are all part of a greater whole, one that was planned deliberately. It's no longer just promise and potential of prospects up in that air while the product on the ice is the mediocre placeholders. The plan is coming together. The fruits of the rebuild are the ones driving the team and there are a lot more on the way. Including a few very significant pieces.

The brightest spots on the team are dragging along the mediocre ones. And most of those bright spots are locked up long term and only going to get better. The mediocre ones will be replaced over the next 2-3 seasons with other players who are projecting to be bright spots. At some point soon it's looking like there'll be more bright spots than non-bright spots on the team.

Up until this season we were mostly watching the placeholder team that Yzerman slapped together while patiently rebuilding and developing top draft picks. I think the scales have tipped to where we're now watching Yzerman's rebuild on the ice.
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It is easier to see the vision than a year ago, guess I would just caution there are still a fair amount of unknowns/projections before this can all come together.

I think if we can add someone like Provorov, the outline for the team is mostly there.

Cat-Larkin-Raymond
Buchelnikov-Kasper-MBN/Plante
Mazur-Danielson-Berggren/Lombardi
Rasmussen-Copp/Compher-Soderblom

Provorov-Seider
Edvinsson-Johansson
Chiarot-ASP

Cossa
Augustine

You just wait for some of these stop-gap contracts to expire and replace them with some of the plethora of prospects we have, and I can see a good team. But we have to keep in mind guys like ASP, MBN, Buchelnikov, Augustine, etc etc have played 0 NHL games. There is a wide range of outcomes of what they might be in the NHL. Just because Seider/Ed/Raymond hit does not guarantee everyone will.

Then there is the x-factor of what we might do via trades or UFA over the next 2-3 years as well.

So a lot to be excited about, but still a lot of unknowns. Not really sure you can say even the rebuild has arrived, just yet.
 
I am not going to take away anyone's right to be sour, for dang sure I griped about Holland and Illich leading us into the bottomless pit of no escape with Cleary Abdelkater and whichever washed up star was 1 year away from retiring until the wheels fell off of the dumpster going over the cliff which is the direct consequence of the hockey we are watching today.

I don't personally see how anyone could not find optimism in this team, I know patience is not the cultural norm. Yzerman is a winner wherever he goes, this is going to be no different.
 
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Retire91 said:
I am not going to take away anyone's right to be sour, for dang sure I griped about Holland and Illich leading us into the bottomless pit of no escape with Cleary Abdelkater and whichever washed up star was 1 year away from retiring until the wheels fell off of the dumpster going over the cliff which is the direct consequence of the hockey we are watching today.

I don't personally see how anyone could not find optimism in this team, I know patience is not the cultural norm. Yzerman is a winner wherever he goes, this is going to be no different.
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I agree and despite Yzerman's flaws like most FA signings or a few trades here and there, he's been largely tactical. Most important is how he stuck to his word since his hiring; "we will need to be patient." Referring to, of course, our drafting and development

The drafting has been stellar so far and when you factor in the recent impact of Kasper, Ajo, and Soderblom, the fruits of our labour have finally showing they've grown. Development has been awesome. ASP, Cossa, and likely Danielson on the roster next year too? Mazur? They're going to be well-ripened to help impact the roster so we can rely less on veterans like Chiarot, Compher, Copp, Veleno, etc

Not to mention, cap wise, Seider and Raymond are signed to absolute steal contracts. Hard not to be optimistic about what's to come
 
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We can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Id love to see us ditch Tarensenko for Mazur who I cant wait to see him come up a play like a little wrecking ball.
 
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Rzombo4 prez said:
If Yzerman's greatest sin is the underperformance of some mid and bottom roster UFAs, he is doing pretty good. A bad UFA signing may cost you some cap space, but it doesn't cost you assets. We didn't trade picks and prospects for Copp and Compher.
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I've said it before, Ill say it again, these guys were not brought in to raise the ceiling of this team and they were not brought in to compete for cups. They were brought in to raise the floor of this team from its lowest points. They've done a solid job of what they had been asked to do.
 
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SirloinUB said:
I've said it before, Ill say it again, these guys were not brought in to raise the ceiling of this team and they were not brought in to compete for cups. They were brought in to raise the floor of this team from its lowest points. They've done a solid job of what they had been asked to do.
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100%. And to buy time for prospects to develop and not force us to put them on the big club too soon and overwhelm them.
 
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Rzombo4 prez said:
If Yzerman's greatest sin is the underperformance of some mid and bottom roster UFAs, he is doing pretty good. A bad UFA signing may cost you some cap space, but it doesn't cost you assets. We didn't trade picks and prospects for Copp and Compher.
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I mean yea the worst 3 things he has done were the Walman trade, Copp and Holl signings. Everything else that didn't work were basically no harm, no foul. And it's all been during a period of rebuild.

Compher is a will see. Good last year, bad this year.

Chiarot was bad in year 1, but I would say is 'fine' now and only has a year left anyway.

There's no bad trades (besides Walman) or Nielsen/Abdelkader/Helm contracts.
 
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saska sault said:
Out of curiosity what kind of major changes? I can see fans thinking playoffs are must, nothing wrong with that. I'm in the group that thinks it's great but it may not happen, next year is when the pressure really intensifies. Mainly because McLellan didn't get a full 82 game run at it, but clearly the entire coaching staff and roster has responded and played more to expectations now. Also personally don't think under the best circumstances, they were a lock to make it this year.
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I would like to see 4 new defensemen, and rid the team of Tarasenko, Copp, Husso and a few others without retaining any salary, and then either replacing them with callups or under 25s from trades/free agency (but no overpayments). either keep a huge cap space to land a big fish like Rantanen or Draisaitl or weaponize it to get 1st round picks and try to grab near NHL ready talent.
 
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