Speculation: Do You Want Gerard Gallant Fired?

[McRanger92]

Why does any chucklehead here think they have any goddamn idea what Jed Ortmeyer or Tanner Glass instruct guys on? Absurd.

Those two are glorified guidance counselors and Rangers twitter thinks they are on the ice teaching our prospects pucks skills. Unsalvageable

 

[LOFIN]

Honest question: if you think Gallant sucks, who's a good coach?

Gallant was regarded (by this board too) as one of the best.

You can't just look at the standings and give me the flavor of the month. Nobody was clamoring for Montgomery or Brunette before this year.

I tend to think they're mostly interchangeable. Every team emphasizes forechecking and royal road. Hockey isn't in a tactically diverse enough meta right now for them to matter that much. And they all have weird habits.

The only one I actually harbor resentment for is AV, and it's not because of performance, it's because he sabotaged his front office by torpedoing acquisitions. Regardless of what you think of guys like Keith Yandle and Eric Staal, that wasn't his decision to make.

I digress. Point is, the next coach is going to either start gangbusters on offense but we'll be 33rd in corsi in a 32 team league, and then we'll either continue to struggle or he'll go back to 2-1 games. Or it'll be the same thing, and he'll end up making the same decisions, because he'll realize that's all we have. Every coach is going to be forced into that because we don't get enough out of the forwards as an organization.

The only potential difference I see, is that if we get a real hardass, he won't put up with "Panarin runs the team" and maybe we get more out of him.

That's not insignificant but it's also not solving all of the problems people want solved.

I don't have a name to give you, but someone who implements a frigging system for this team. Where every player knows where to be on any given time.

Is that good enough to take us over the top? I don't know. But clearly just being the players coach like Gallant isn't the answer.

And like people have said, while Quinn was new, he probably was closer to Gallant in style rather than those X&0s coaches of the league.

For me when I watch, we just look so slow. And not because our players are slow. We just play too slow. Players are gliding instead of skating. That's because they don't know where to go.

 

[markymarc1215]

Gallant isn't the main problem. The Panarin, Trochek, Goodrow, and Trouba contracts are.

 

[Kane One]

I would fire him in the off-season, but not now, so I voted no.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Yes I want him fired.

No particular reason.

 

[Machinehead]

This is a solid post except for the Yandle/Staal part. I did a libero on each of those guys before we got them and they were nubs/shot. Same with Shatty on STL and Wash.

It's still not the coaches place limit their minutes because he didn't like the trades.

 

[huerter]

It's still not the coaches place limit their minutes because he didn't like the trades.

Tell that to Cam Reddish. Been doing a libero in that cat since Westtown. Sheesh.

 

[apoptygma]

I don't have a name to give you, but someone who implements a frigging system for this team. Where every player knows where to be on any given time.

Is that good enough to take us over the top? I don't know. But clearly just being the players coach like Gallant isn't the answer.

And like people have said, while Quinn was new, he probably was closer to Gallant in style rather than those X&0s coaches of the league.

For me when I watch, we just look so slow. And not because our players are slow. We just play too slow. Players are gliding instead of skating. That's because they don't know where to go.

Im starting to belive there is no coach able to get our top guys to play his system, feels like they go on the ice and play however they want whatever the coach says. They know they will outlast any coach if it comes to a conflict, and are immune to get punished.

 

[Leonardo87]

I would fire him in the off-season, but not now, so I voted no.

See If they can go deep into the playoffs, first round exit, maybe need to consider it, but also think will need some roster tweaks as well. It’s not just the coaching, imo.

 

[gump116]

Voted yes. Don’t think we can win the cup with him as the coach. Considering the roster and window for contention, better off rolling the dice with someone else

 

[The S5]

For those that want GG fired, who do you want to replace him? What do you think will change as a result?

I hate to break it to some people, but coaches aren't there to baby sit players. They are there to win games. Let's be real, does anyone think GG is happy about Laffy regressing? If he could wave his magical "development wand" to fix it, wouldn't he? Is GG telling Panarin to choke the puck up at the blueline 10 times per game?

The coaches main job is to get the team to play hard every night. Systems are systems and one isn't necessarily better than the other. Execution is more important. If you can't get your players to execute, you start looking for new players.

At this point, I think the players respect GG. If that isn't the case, then it would make sense to make the change.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Personally, I'm tired of this revolving door of coaches. Really gonna give the $12 million elephant a 3rd coach?

Guys have pointed out that this is not how GG's Vegas team played. He's got a style in place that fits the slowest team in the league. We slog and bog our opponents down to our level because we can't run and gun. I don't like it either but I like to win, and GG has been given the mandate to win.

I also can't see him getting fired unless there is another Hank-Torts rebellion in the locker room. Can't see the coach killers being too upset with all those minutes and a laizze faire coach.

He is what he is. He's a player coach being told to win. They all make terrible lineup decisions for some ridiculous reason. Some change to quick, Gallant seems to change too quick or not change at all. Torts loved Boyle. How many times was a top 6 guy benched for Boyle late in the game? AV was borderline obsessed with Glass. Quinn loved going out to eat with Howden. That stupid shit won't change with the next guy.

The roster construction sucks. The forward development sucks. Those are your main issues, Gallant doesn't help in some of those areas but he's definitely not the catalyst for all of it.

 

[turcotte8]

The coaches main job is to get the team to play hard every night. Systems are systems and one isn't necessarily better than the other. Execution is more important. If you can't get your players to execute, you start looking for new players.

They don't.

 

[Vitto79]

Voted yes. Don’t think we can win the cup with him as the coach. Considering the roster and window for contention, better off rolling the dice with someone else

They almost made the finals last year

He deserves another shot at it and he’s going to get one barring a collapse . If they collapse then he’s fired and you get your way

 

[UnSandvich]

Also, i'll be honest, even if it's just an assistant coach position (if he'd take that of course), i want to get Bruce Boudreau into this organization. His players love him, but he can actually coach too

 

[Mac n Gs]

I'm not looking at the wrong numbers, those numbers included Gallant's entire tenure with both teams. I'm making an assumption that I feel is pretty solid that his systems haven't changed and yet the results have been drastically different. Point being I think coaches impacts are overrated and overstated and it's talent that is what matters. Also as far as whether or not xG models are off or not, maybe but I think generally the public ones do a good enough job and those individual plays aren't worth dissecting when analyzing a large amount of data. I doubt it changes much.

My bad, I thought you were only citing this year's numbers. I also don't know if I necessarily agree that the system hasn't changed because there's pretty obvious changes in offensive tactics with how much they're generating low-to-high passes off the cycle. I think they've also been better defensively too, but that also could be due to better personnel and injury luck.

You're dead on with the coaching impacts being overrated and the talent being the main driver.

 

[bbny]

Honest question: if you think Gallant sucks, who's a good coach?

Gallant was regarded (by this board too) as one of the best.

You can't just look at the standings and give me the flavor of the month. Nobody was clamoring for Montgomery or Brunette before this year.

I tend to think they're mostly interchangeable. Every team emphasizes forechecking and royal road. Hockey isn't in a tactically diverse enough meta right now for them to matter that much. And they all have weird habits.

The only one I actually harbor resentment for is AV, and it's not because of performance, it's because he sabotaged his front office by torpedoing acquisitions. Regardless of what you think of guys like Keith Yandle and Eric Staal, that wasn't his decision to make.

I digress. Point is, the next coach is going to either start gangbusters on offense but we'll be 33rd in corsi in a 32 team league, and then we'll either continue to struggle or he'll go back to 2-1 games. Or it'll be the same thing, and he'll end up making the same decisions, because he'll realize that's all we have. Every coach is going to be forced into that because we don't get enough out of the forwards as an organization.

The only potential difference I see, is that if we get a real hardass, he won't put up with "Panarin runs the team" and maybe we get more out of him.

That's not insignificant but it's also not solving all of the problems people want solved.

For me at least it's not that I think Gallant sucks. He's a decent coach even if I don't think the roster's potential is being maximized. I just think Trotz is that good. If Trotz wasn't out there, I would just stick with Gallant.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I'd settle for a coach who will give everyone a fair chance, leave lines together long enough to discover if there is chemistry and who won't break up the lines that are producing.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Also, i'll be honest, even if it's just an assistant coach position (if he'd take that of course), i want to get Bruce Boudreau into this organization. His players love him, but he can actually coach too

If any of the younger assistants aren't available a Boudreau (or perhaps even Adam Oates, if he's interested to come back to coaching) would be great options to run the PP.

 

[EdJovanovski]

For the people saying No, I present to you…

 

[Kords]

Okay fire him

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Kid line = break glass in case of losing

Also, now Kreider can play rw all of a sudden?

 

[huerter]

For the people saying No, I present to you…

For the people presenting those lines...you didnt know that the kid line back together and Kravtsov moving towards being out of the lineup was inevitable? We can agree Panarin and one of Vesey/Goodrow should be flipped. But the reinforcements will come and it will get sorted out.

Stay cised.

 

[effen]

Im starting to belive there is no coach able to get our top guys to play his system, feels like they go on the ice and play however they want whatever the coach says. They know they will outlast any coach if it comes to a conflict, and are immune to get punished.

DING DING DING

 

[IronBloodedLion]

Who’s replacing him? I feel like the NHL just continually rotates bad coaches in the hopes “it’ll work out” this time.

I don’t think he’s a bad coach, but I don’t think he gets the most out of this lineup.