Do you think we should trade rielly before his no trade clause kicks in this off season ?

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

No. We had him with Lyubushkin, who I love by the way, but he made bonehead plays all series long. He doesn't need to be carried by a D partner, just needs someone responsible like when he had Brodie.

Boosh is a decent #6 option and he played those kinds of minutes, but it needs to be Brodie or Liljegren playing with Rielly next year.

 

[AvroArrow]

Boosh is a decent #6 option and he played those kinds of minutes, but it needs to be Brodie or Liljegren playing with Rielly next year.

Lily excelled regardless of who his D partner was, not sure if he's ready for top minutes just yet but he's looked great so far. I'd go

Rielly - Brodie
Giordano - Liljegren
Sandin - Lybushkin

Move Muzzin/Holl for cap relief and help in the bottom 6/G

Also open to acquiring another good top 4 defender, rotate Sandin/Lyubushkin

 

[RoadWarrior]

Yeah lets trade our most reliable D to create space on the roster for Tavares..... makes perfect sense.

 

[bossram]

Compared to what Jones, Werenski, MacAvoy, Nurse signed for Rielly is a bargain and it is not like we have anybody close to being able to replace him.

MacAvoy is faaaaar superior to Rielly. He's elite defensively. He just doesn't have the raw production because the Bruins are lower scoring, he plays the tough minutes, and he isn't consistently on the 1PP.

Justifying signing a bad contract because other teams signed worse ones (Jones, Nurse) is a terrible argument.

My question is, what would moving Rielly actually need replacing? He's a questionable PP QB to begin with. I think it could be reasonably easy to find a cheap PP specialist for that role. Spreading his even-strength minutes around would actually improve the team defensively. His even-strength offense is high-end, but a lot of that raw production is just a function of his high TOI and being given a lot of time with Matthews/Marner. A guy like Shane Gostibehere, thought to be a scrap heap addition, had similar 5v5 rate scoring to Rielly over the last 2 seasons. Mike Matheson is also similar.

Yeah lets trade our most reliable D to create space on the roster for Tavares..... makes perfect sense.

When I'm describing Rielly, "reliable" is like the complete opposite of what I would say.

 

[RoadWarrior]

MacAvoy is faaaaar superior to Rielly. He's elite defensively. He just doesn't have the raw production because the Bruins are lower scoring, he plays the tough minutes, and he isn't consistently on the 1PP.

Justifying signing a bad contract because other teams signed worse ones (Jones, Nurse) is a terrible argument.

My question is, what would moving Rielly actually need replacing? He's a questionable PP QB to begin with. I think it could be reasonably easy to find a cheap PP specialist for that role. Spreading his even-strength minutes around would actually improve the team defensively. His even-strength offense is high-end, but a lot of that raw production is just a function of his high TOI and being given a lot of time with Matthews/Marner. A guy like Shane Gostibehere, thought to be a scrap heap addition, had similar 5v5 rate scoring to Rielly over the last 2 seasons. Mike Matheson is also similar.


When I'm describing Rielly, "reliable" is like the complete opposite of what I would say.

Rielly is severely underrated by leaf fans. Take him away and the leafs D is a dumpster fire.

 

[ToneDog]

MacAvoy is faaaaar superior to Rielly. He's elite defensively. He just doesn't have the raw production because the Bruins are lower scoring, he plays the tough minutes, and he isn't consistently on the 1PP.

Justifying signing a bad contract because other teams signed worse ones (Jones, Nurse) is a terrible argument.

My question is, what would moving Rielly actually need replacing? He's a questionable PP QB to begin with. I think it could be reasonably easy to find a cheap PP specialist for that role. Spreading his even-strength minutes around would actually improve the team defensively. His even-strength offense is high-end, but a lot of that raw production is just a function of his high TOI and being given a lot of time with Matthews/Marner. A guy like Shane Gostibehere, thought to be a scrap heap addition, had similar 5v5 rate scoring to Rielly over the last 2 seasons. Mike Matheson is also similar.


When I'm describing Rielly, "reliable" is like the complete opposite of what I would say.

MacAvoy is making $2m more than Rielly. Nothing to justify, the Rielly deal is a good one based on the market. Ghost is a joke but I do like Matheson.

 

[bossram]

Rielly is severely underrated by leaf fans. Take him away and the leafs D is a dumpster fire.

I don't think he is underrated at all. He is legitimately one of the worst defensemen in the league defensively. He gets a lot of points, which to most people masks his deficiencies.

He gives up the blueline like every rush, and gets turnstiled 1v1 way too frequently for a guy with his skating ability.

MacAvoy is making $2m more than Rielly. Nothing to justify, the Rielly deal is a good one based on the market. Ghost is a joke but I do like Matheson.

And MacAvoy is a significantly better player than Rielly. His contract is very justified. Nurse and Jones...I don't have time for them either.

No, I don't think Ghost is really that good, but I'm just illustrating that what Rielly provides, I don't think is that difficult to replace. The corollary of removing him is that the Leafs team defense actually improves.

I agree, Rielly took a favourable contract relative to the market. But if I'm a GM, I'm not just signing a guy because he took a discount relative to the market, if he's still not worth the contract. That's like saying the Nurse contract would be good if he just took $7.5M - it would not.

 

[stickty111]

Rielly is a low end no 1 d man who is paid exactly like it. He's really good offensively and the emotional leader for this team. Not great defensively but his other aspects more than make up for it. He isn't going anywhere and nor should he. People really don't appreciate and evaluate great players well around here. Literally the most reliable d man on the team offensively and work ethic.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Rielly is from Vancouver yet took a team friendly deal to stay here. You only move him if he wants to be moved.

 

[RoadWarrior]

I don't think he is underrated at all. He is legitimately one of the worst defensemen in the league defensively. He gets a lot of points, which to most people masks his deficiencies.

He gives up the blueline like every rush, and gets turnstiled 1v1 way too frequently for a guy with his skating ability.


And MacAvoy is a significantly better player than Rielly. His contract is very justified. Nurse and Jones...I don't have time for them either.

No, I don't think Ghost is really that good, but I'm just illustrating that what Rielly provides, I don't think is that difficult to replace. The corollary of removing him is that the Leafs team defense actually improves.

I agree, Rielly took a favourable contract relative to the market. But if I'm a GM, I'm not just signing a guy because he took a discount relative to the market, if he's still not worth the contract. That's like saying the Nurse contract would be good if he just took $7.5M - it would not.

Of course. Most D men in the league are better than Rielly. That's why he's making $8M AAV because he totally sucks!

Lets trade him for half a bag of pucks or Brett Lebda. Not worth a full bag.

 

[WillyC]

Rielly is this generation’s Salming… he’s not going anywhere

 

[bossram]

Of course. Most D men in the league are better than Rielly. That's why he's making $8M AAV because he totally sucks!

Lets trade him for half a bag of pucks or Brett Lebda. Not worth a full bag.

I mean, if you want to say things that I didn't say, go ahead. It's a clear sign you don't have a legitimate counter-argument.

I don't think Rielly is worth the contract, I think his best attributes can be replaced, and I think the club could be improved elsewhere with the cap savings.

None of that means I think he is a terrible player.

 

[RoadWarrior]

I mean, if you want to say things that I didn't say, go ahead. It's a clear sign you don't have a legitimate counter-argument.

I don't think Rielly is worth the contract, I think his best attributes can be replaced, and I think the club could be improved elsewhere with the cap savings.

None of that means I think he is a terrible player.

Please enlighten us on what D man the leafs could acquire to replace Rielly....in a trade that doesn't cost us multiple first round picks.

 

[bossram]

Please enlighten us on what D man the leafs could acquire to replace Rielly....in a trade that doesn't cost us multiple first round picks.

Purely for PP QB ability, Sean Durzi is young, looked good with the Kings, wouldn't cost an arm and a leg, and they have a glut of RD. I joked about Ghost, but purely for the PP he'd be a solid asset and would come dirt cheap. Arizona could retain salary too. At 5v5, he's not much less reliable than Rielly - in fact, their GAR and xGAR profiles are hilariously similar. Edmonton needs to clear cap space and would move Barrie cheaply - he's a PP asset. Erik Brannstrom is running out of chances in Ottawa, but he's shown some PP touch.

As I said, at 5v5, you don't replace him. You just spread the minutes across Sandin, Liljegren, Brodie, etc. The team loses some 5v5 rush offense (which the Leafs were already near the bottom of the league at anyway), but improve defensively from Rielly's removal.

 

[Brew]

You don't trade a 1D on a great contract. Stupid idea.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Purely for PP QB ability, Sean Durzi is young, looked good with the Kings, wouldn't cost an arm and a leg, and they have a glut of RD. I joked about Ghost, but purely for the PP he'd be a solid asset and would come dirt cheap. Arizona could retain salary too. At 5v5, he's not much less reliable than Rielly - in fact, their GAR and xGAR profiles are hilariously similar. Edmonton needs to clear cap space and would move Barrie cheaply - he's a PP asset. Erik Brannstrom is running out of chances in Ottawa, but he's shown some PP touch.

As I said, at 5v5, you don't replace him. You just spread the minutes across Sandin, Liljegren, Brodie, etc. The team loses some 5v5 rush offense (which the Leafs were already near the bottom of the league at anyway), but improve defensively from Rielly's removal.

LMAO! Sean Durzi whom the leafs already traded away doesn't replace Rielly in any universe.

 

[bossram]

LMAO! Sean Durzi whom the leafs already traded away doesn't replace Rielly in any universe.

I know your reading comprehension is lacking, but I literally said, "purely for PP QB ability". Not that he is as good as Rielly in totality. Hell, everyone here complains about Rielly on the PP, so you'd think that would be the part you agree with.

I presented numerous options, legitimate reasoning, and argumentation. And you have no actual counter. Case closed I guess.

 

[TheRumble]

Every thread that suggests we trade a player can be summed up as follows:

Why don't we trade one of our good players for a player that is not as good.

 

[TheRumble]

Every thread that suggests we trade a player can be summed up as follows:

Why don't we trade one of our good players for a player that is not as good?

Rielly for Sergachev, Nick Paul and a 2nd.

Marner for Max Domi, Jesperi Kotkaniemi and a 1st

Matthews for Brayden Point and a 2nd

Nylander for Andreas Anthansiou

John Tavares for Taylor Hall and a 3rd

Sign Evander Kane and Jesse Puljujarvi

The 2022-23 Leafs according to HFBoards:

Evander Kane - Brayden Point - Taylor Hall

Max Domi - Jesperi Kotkaniemi - Ondrej Kase

Andreas Anthanisiou - David Kampf - Nick Robertson

Nick Paul - Jesse Pulujarvi - Wayne Simmonds

On defence:

Giordano-Sergachev

Muzzin-Brodie

Sandin-Liljegren

In net:

John Gibson

 

[Ciao]

In a little more than six years, when Rielly submits his 10-team no-trade list, we can have an informative discussion about his trade potential.

Until then, I'm quite glad he will be with the Leafs on the team-friendly contract he signed. He obviously likes it here -- probably due in no small part to his blissful relationship with Tessa Virtue, originally of London, Ontario -- and he has no desire to leave.

I enjoy watching Rielly play for the Leafs and I hope he stays with them for the duration of his contract.

 

[cannucky]

You don't trade a 1D on a great contract. Stupid idea.

No you certainly don't but we're not talking about that , we're talking about Reilly on a 7.5 million dollar deal . Ever since he I got here I have had to read fan boys blaming his inability to actually defend on the guy paired with him , every year the same excuses blah blah blah . You don't hear excuses for guys like Hedman , Josi , Makar etc .The fact is he is not now nor has he ever been a #1 D in this league he's at best a fourth forward thats a defensive liability most nights . Nobody is going to take him in a trade , his new deal has made sure of that , thanks again Dubas .

 

[arso40]

LMAO! Sean Durzi whom the leafs already traded away doesn't replace Rielly in any universe.

Why not?im confused what’s the big joke he’s looks better on the pp already and he was holding his own 5on5 something rielly needs to work on at 28 years old he’s definitely not far off it made me mad to see how good he was doing and knowing we traded him and more muzzin who can’t stay injury free or make a difference in the playoffs for us

 

[mclaren55]

I really question whether some of the folks posting in here actually have watched Rielly since he became a leaf, or just look at advanced statistics.

bossram your posts are making me cringe. If you don’t think he is worth 7.5m, please show us a comparable replacement. None of this bullshit “just replace him by committee and get a specialist”. That may be the most ridiculous thing I’ve read. Who replaces his breakout ability 5v5, or steps up on the PP, or gets 254 points in his last 342 games? Good luck chief.

 

[mclaren55]

Just to add to my last post, he is the 6th most productive defenseman of the last half decade, and the youngest in the top 10 by 2 years. Y’all need to give your head a shake.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I think it would make us look bad and players would be less likely to re-sign or just sign here
sign a long term deal then get traded before it even kicks in is pretty shady