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Do you think we should trade rielly before his no trade clause kicks in this off season ?

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ToneDog said:
Why would you trade your #1D and the only guy who took a discount to remain a Leaf ?? Love that Tavares chose to come home, but he should have taken less money for the good of the team and himself as he is now in the crosshairs for not living up to the AAV and the failures of the team he captains. The 3 amigos took every penny and should be the first to go but not until you bring in a competent GM.

Unfortunately if da real deal is correct and the sponsors prefer to keep this management team, then only an embarrassing regular season will get the same sponsors to put pressure on MLSEL to make changes.
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He has a no move clause so it won’t happen but he is only our best offensive dman and 2 kids that will probably be better than him in the next 2 years tops are being benched so muzzin and hall can play instead smh muzzin trade was a complete waste should have just kept gardiner we didn’t get out the first round anyway and we’d still have durzi grundstrum and our 1st round draft pick hindsight is 20/20 though right
 
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So, he takes a hometown discount, and signs what will probably his last contract with the team that drafted/developed him, just for the team to trade him.......?

@arso40 Which 2 kids will probably be better in the next 2 years tops? Liljegren....? injury prone Sandin (which they will likely move this offseason)? Also why keep Gardiner? He was much worse defensively, and not as good offensively, plus he had back issues. I am sure the Leafs missed his 0 games played this year?
 
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You trade Muzzin (the wear and tear will only increase) and find a RHD partner for Rielly.
Gio, Sandin, Lily, Brodie, UFA round out the bottom.

You move Nylander (2 years to UFA and not paying the next salary when you also have Matthews to re-sign) and find a core member guy like a Kadri/Pageau/etc. with some bite/2-way/intensity that can be a core 2C member moving JT to wing.

Round out the bottom 6.
 
arso40 said:
That’s weird….but your right his no move clause kicks in before the new contract does….I wonder why
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It was widely reported during the negotiations last summer/fall that Rielly was insisting on the no move clause taking effect immediately before he would sign the extension. Otherwise, Rielly could have signed his extension with a discount but been traded prior to the clause taking affect.
 
keonsbitterness said:
There is speculation and there is dumb speculation. The idea that the Leafs would trade a guy they re-signed like five minutes ago is pretty dumb.
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:laugh: Fair enough. This place is littered with dumb speculation, I guess this is as good a place as any to stamp it out.
 
Better to trade Sandin as we can get a bigger faster better defensive dman to partner with Rielly's offensive ways .. also there is no room for Sandin right now unless Holl is traded which should occur

Rielly Jakob C.
Muzzy Brodie
Gio Lily

Together with acquiring a tender like a gibson gives us what we need in playoffs a rock solid defensive defense which is what playoff round wins are all about
 
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People tend to focus on what he isn’t rather than what he is - a premium puck moving defenseman with speed and elite transition skills. He’s like 11th in points by defenseman in the last several years. He also brings his best game for the playoffs.

He’s paid low end #1 money which is exactly what he is. Good value deal.

If anything you should look to compliment him with a better D partner
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
Better to trade Sandin as we can get a bigger faster better defensive dman to partner with Rielly's offensive ways .. also there is no room for Sandin right now unless Holl is traded which should occur

Rielly Jakob C.
Muzzy Brodie
Gio Lily

Together with acquiring a tender like a gibson gives us what we need in playoffs a rock solid defensive defense which is what playoff round wins are all about
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I would like to see how all this change becomes possible and fits under the cap with the 3 11 million dollar players and 2 7 million dollar players as well not to mention I think it would be a huge mistake to trade Sandin as he is likely to be better than all the defencemen above even though I like Jakob c very much his next contract is likely to be in riellys range and the farm system currently isn’t too promising outside of niemela on the backend
 
JT AM da real deal said:
Better to trade Sandin as we can get a bigger faster better defensive dman to partner with Rielly's offensive ways .. also there is no room for Sandin right now unless Holl is traded which should occur

Rielly Jakob C.
Muzzy Brodie
Gio Lily

Together with acquiring a tender like a gibson gives us what we need in playoffs a rock solid defensive defense which is what playoff round wins are all about
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There ain't enough room for Sandin right now WITH Holl moved. He's an LD; our LD's are
- Reilly - Just signed to a good contract and has an NMC.
- Muzzin - Best candidate to trade, but has an NMC this year.
- Gio - Took less than a million to sign here; he isn't going anywhere.

So Sandin's only hopes to get into the lineup now are:
- Have improved so much over the summer that the Leafs are forced to press box Muzzin or Gio to play him. Possible, but unlikely.
- Injuries. Which woudln't really be great.
 
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BertCorbeau said:
People tend to focus on what he isn’t rather than what he is - a premium puck moving defenseman with speed and elite transition skills. He’s like 11th in points by defenseman in the last several years. He also brings his best game for the playoffs.

He’s paid low end #1 money which is exactly what he is. Good value deal.

If anything you should look to compliment him with a better D partner
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It’s easy to get points playing on this team kerfoot got 50 for crying out loud and without pp time rielly doesn’t play defence that is an issue as a supposed #1 who doesn’t shut down top competition and although his toi is close to muzzin and Brodie in the playoffs it would be due to the pp and not necessarily to even strength/pk and it’s no secret that the power play even looked better with gio on it rather than him but he’s some low end #1 offensive guru gimme a break actually watch the games he looked better with Brodie as does holl as does muzzin if we’re being honest it looks like Brodie is our best defencemen which is sad cause Calgary didn’t even want him and found the same upgrade we could have for less money in tanev
 
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Easy no.

Relative to recent top pairing D men signings, the Leafs have fantastic value from him at well under 8 mil aav.

The Leafs need MORE value contracts not dump the ones they have.
 
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Lightsol said:
There ain't enough room for Sandin right now WITH Holl moved. He's an LD; our LD's are
- Reilly - Just signed to a good contract and has an NMC.
- Muzzin - Best candidate to trade, but has an NMC this year.
- Gio - Took less than a million to sign here; he isn't going anywhere.

So Sandin's only hopes to get into the lineup now are:
- Have improved so much over the summer that the Leafs are forced to press box Muzzin or Gio to play him. Possible, but unlikely.
- Injuries. Which woudln't really be great.
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He's played on the right side too. I won't be surprised if they try slotting him there again
 
WillyC said:
Yes folks… this is what the main boards are on about when trashing the Maple Leafs and their fans.

Threads like this
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Some on the main board are set on bashing the Leafs while most people on the board couldn't care less about the Leafs or their fans. Although, you do get the ones who are losing an argument on the board and lashout with Leaf bashing nonsense.
 
personally dont care who they trade from this team as long as it isn't dubas ushering in the future. if dubas is at the helm he should not be allowed to make any big moves

worst part is that all of Matthews, Nylander and Marner's NTCs kick in next season....
 
Menzinger said:
Easy no.

Relative to recent top pairing D men signings, the Leafs have fantastic value from him at well under 8 mil aav.

The Leafs need MORE value contracts not dump the ones they have.
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He’s 500 thousand under but I get your point as long as your also pro nylander who is a legit top winger legit pp1 player on a value contract as well then I have no complaints
 
arso40 said:
It’s easy to get points playing on this team kerfoot got 50 for crying out loud and without pp time rielly doesn’t play defence that is an issue as a supposed #1 who doesn’t shut down top competition and although his toi is close to muzzin and Brodie in the playoffs it would be due to the pp and not necessarily to even strength/pk and it’s no secret that the power play even looked better with gio on it rather than him but he’s some low end #1 offensive guru gimme a break actually watch the games he looked better with Brodie as does holl as does muzzin if we’re being honest it looks like Brodie is our best defencemen which is sad cause Calgary didn’t even want him and found the same upgrade we could have for less money in tanev
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Easy on the hyperbole, I'm just pointing out stats. The point is to surround Rielly with better complimentary d-men. Just because he's not what you want him to be means he should be traded.
 
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I’m just saying he’s basically nylander on defence and people want to run nylander out of town and I would argue that for there positions nylanders more valuable imho it’s okay for nylander as an offensive player to float as a defender it’s not okay to not defend in saying all this I’m actually a fan of riellys let’s just not be bias is what I’m saying
 
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