Do you take the duo of Makar + McDavid each at 16M$ AAV for 8 years? Trades not allowed

[JSn0w93]

Yes, because the cap will be increasing significantly soon.

 

[bobholly39]

Laugh all you want but 16m is alot against the cap while you have McDavid also making that. 16m imo is a major over payment for Makar who is being over hyped like crazy right now
is he 7m+ better than Josi, Hedman or Fox?
at that cost I'd rather see if one of these players are available and get extra awesome assets added on top.
one 16m player is good enough don't need to go balls to the wall with 2 players

None of Nashville, Tampa nor NY are trading Josi/Hedman/Fox so it's a non-starter.

The premise here is a hypothetical where both Makar/McDavid are made available to you as UFA's. If you say no, you don't magically get a a player that would never be traded - the only way you're getting Fox/Hedman/Josi is if you put someone like Matthews in play.

Also - it's both players, or neither/nor. You can't just pick one.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

People voting no are overthinking it.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

None of Nashville, Tampa nor NY are trading Josi/Hedman/Fox so it's a non-starter.

The premise here is a hypothetical where both Makar/McDavid are made available to you as UFA's. If you say no, you don't magically get a a player that would never be traded - the only way you're getting Fox/Hedman/Josi is if you put someone like Matthews in play.

Also - it's both players, or neither/nor. You can't just pick one.

Oh my mistake I forgot the OP said u cant trade them.

but still no I think Id pass. I love Makar I think he's the best or if not very close to being the best Dman in the NHL but 16m for a Dman isnt happening I dont care how good he is. at that price his value would plummet with out of this world expectations.
McDavid makes sense at 16m Makar doesn't he's at best 11m

this sounds like Im bashing Makar as well which Im not.
I mean 16m as a signing bonus and a reduced cap hit sure but 16m against the cap makes this harder than it should be

People voting no are overthinking it.

Prob for the best. not over thinking gave us Tavares

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Prob for the best. not over thinking gave us Tavares

Shoehorning Tavares into this makes no sense and shows you don't really have a point.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Shoehorning Tavares into this makes no sense and shows you don't really have a point.

what do you mean? dishing out that kinda cap to a player that wasnt really needed. you said people that said no are over thinking it, and I gave an example of a recent big signing that prob could have some other thinking.

McDavid + Makar both at 16m imo its not really needed and if Im over thinking it then I figure its close to Leafs situation where bringing in Tavares made the team's life harder than it could have been and that's how I view a team that has McDavid + Makar signed 8x16m

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

what do you mean? dishing out that kinda cap to a player that wasnt really needed. you said people that said no are over thinking it, and I gave an example of a recent big signing that prob could have some other thinking.

McDavid + Makar both at 16m imo its not really needed and if Im over thinking it then I figure its close to Leafs situation where bringing in Tavares made the team's life harder than it could have been and that's how I view a team that has McDavid + Makar signed 8x16m

Signing the two young generational players to basically retirement contracts is in no way similar to signing a declining 30 year old.

They aren't comparable situations in any way.

 

[keglu]

No, $32M is just too much for two players, even for ones as talented as these two.

A defenseman isn't on the ice for 2/3rds of the game, and a forward isn't on the ice for 3/4ths of the game.

No if they are Makar or McDavid.

Oh my mistake I forgot the OP said u cant trade them.

but still no I think Id pass. I love Makar I think he's the best or if not very close to being the best Dman in the NHL but 16m for a Dman isnt happening I dont care how good he is. at that price his value would plummet with out of this world expectations.
McDavid makes sense at 16m Makar doesn't he's at best 11m

this sounds like Im bashing Makar as well which Im not.
I mean 16m as a signing bonus and a reduced cap hit sure but 16m against the cap makes this harder than it should be


Prob for the best. not over thinking gave us Tavares

So you are saying no to free McDavid+ Makar+ 5mln of dead space?

 

[mr figgles]

People voting no are overthinking it.

People voting yes are underthinking it.

 

[norrisnick]

People voting no are overthinking it.

No, we're just thinking. Locking up $32M in cap space on two players and having to be compliant this season and several more after would be an unmitigated disaster. You'd lose so many assets that there'd be no hope of being competitive at any point.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Signing the two young generational players to basically retirement contracts is in no way similar to signing a declining 30 year old.

They aren't comparable situations in any way.

well I disagree I find it to be in the same ball park of a situation. 8x16m is alot on 2 players. I guess we can just agree to disagree and be done with this conversation

No if they are Makar or McDavid.

So you are saying no to free McDavid+ Makar+ 5mln of dead space?

well I dunno what are my other options Id have to see what a kind of team id have if I said no. I just dont find this thread to be as simple of a yes as other do.

 

[WRC]

If we're basing this on current cap then it's just too much on 2 guys. That being said, IF I could take just one of them at 16M for the next 8 years I would take Makar without hesitation.

 

[COHawk]

2 players at 40% of the cap is a pretty bold strategy... Yeah that cap will probably go up. But not sure if it is worth it to bank on that. You'd have an average of just more than $2M per player to build out the rest of your roster.

 

[bobholly39]

well I disagree I find it to be in the same ball park of a situation. 8x16m is alot on 2 players. I guess we can just agree to disagree and be done with this conversation


well I dunno what are my other options Id have to see what a kind of team id have if I said no. I just dont find this thread to be as simple of a yes as other do.

You're a Toronto fan right?

For Toronto it's one of the easiest exercises because it's so easy to make cap room because you have a few players with high salary, so it's an easy swap.

Tavares/Marner/Matthews out
Makar/McDavid in (and probably some leftover assets from a Matthews trade)

For the next 8 years, which option do you like better?

You can probably try and find a way to also keep Matthews, but that becomes a hell of a lot harder.

If we're basing this on current cap then it's just too much on 2 guys. That being said, IF I could take just one of them at 16M for the next 8 years I would take Makar without hesitation.

My guess is 99% of posters would take just one of those players at 16M$. It's really the need to take 2 that makes this more interesting for obvious reasons, since as you say it's a lot of cap.

 

[DomBarr]

In this scenario: makar + mcdavid = $32 mil.

Matthews + marner + Tavares = $33.5 mil.

Having so few players taking up so much of the cap doesn't seem to be a recipe for success but considering how good mcdavid and makar are, I'd do it.

I think it really depends on the team...you used the Leafs as an example. The only way they could do this is to trade away $32M in core player salary which would be a combination of Matthews/Marner/Tavares/Nylander/Rielly/Brodie/Muzzin/Jarnkrok whose cap hits total 32M

So Marner (10.9)/Tavares(11)/Brodie (5)/Muzzin(5.6) replaced with McDavid/Makar and 2 League min players

would the Leafs be better?

However the non-contending teams like the Sabres/Coyotes/ Ducks/Red Wings/Blackhawks could make it work next season without ditching core pieces.

 

[ricky0034]

do the people that keep bringing up Hedman's 7.8 million deal he signed over 6 years ago honestly think he could be signed now for anything remotely close to that?

flat out delusional, even just looking at the same team f***ing Sergachev is gonna be making more than that when his new contract kicks in

 

[WRC]

My guess is 99% of posters would take just one of those players at 16M$. It's really the need to take 2 that makes this more interesting for obvious reasons, since as you say it's a lot of cap.

Yeah I guess that comment doesn't really apply here and would require a different poll. I think it would be an interesting one.
What I was basically saying is that if I had choose one to be on my team right now (equal $), I would take Makar. I'm sure many would disagree.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

You're a Toronto fan right?

For Toronto it's one of the easiest exercises because it's so easy to make cap room because you have a few players with high salary, so it's an easy swap.

Tavares/Marner/Matthews out
Makar/McDavid in (and probably some leftover assets from a Matthews trade)

For the next 8 years, which option do you like better?

You can probably try and find a way to also keep Matthews, but that becomes a hell of a lot harder.



My guess is 99% of posters would take just one of those players at 16M$. It's really the need to take 2 that makes this more interesting for obvious reasons, since as you say it's a lot of cap.

I dunno I like either side Im just hung up on paying 2 players 16m each and have a hard time instantly going for it.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

The caps going to have a big increase when it happens. Yes haven’t two generational talents at the most important positions in the game makes sense.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

People voting no are overthinking it.

Not really. There are cap restrictions to build the rest of your lineup with $32 million tied up already in just two players. Yes, they're both amazing players. But it's still only two players.

This isn't the NBA where you can build a championship around 2 or 3 stars. You need good depth to win. You can't just fill out your top line/top pairing with the best in the league, then have very little left over to play lines 2-4 and pairings 2-3.

Which is why it's a discussion that needs some thought put into it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Yes. Doing it the other way hasn’t gotten my team a Cup in 20+ years so might as well try something else. Would be a fun challenge.

 

[McVespa99]

You do it and pray for the cap to rise....

 

[La Bamba]

I'd take both guys for $32M and only sign players who will take discounts to play with the best F and D in the world to make up the difference

 

[Buck Naked]

I'd take both guys for $32M and only sign players who will take discounts to play with the best F and D in the world to make up the difference

Is that, in your opinion, common among NHL players? Especially players who actually contribute.

 

[BruinsFan37]

Having over 1/3 your cap space in two players is not practical.

Tempting, but not practical if you want deep playoff runs.