Do You See Kyle Dubas As Yourself?

[Donnie740]

I get the sense that much of the unwavering support for Dubas comes from those who desperately want him to prove that an unqualified little kid from a no-name Ontario university can be an NHL GM by relying on stats and numbers like "puck-possession time" and "expected goals".

If he can be "successful" with his inexperience an limited credentials, then surely someone who wins their fantasy hockey pool or built a back to back champion in NHL21 is also qualified to be an NHL GM just like Dubas.

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[Aus34Matt]

Maybe it's more of a man crush at this point.

 

[MR4]

I guess everyone that still has a hard-on for Lou & Babs are the ones that see themselves as them? “These youngins don’t know what real hockey is, you need grit and real gud pros that give 110% to win”

 

[DarkKnight]

I’ve never seen a portion of a fan base so enamoured with a freaking GM. It’s kind of strange, fans of him before the team almost.

He did some good things this year, his thinking evolved, I was more in his camp this year than previous ones. That said, this Foligno trade, if he knew he wasn’t 100 percent, that a big X in the negative column for me. We literally have three picks this year, the cupboards are going to get lean quick.

 

[DarkKnight]

I guess everyone that still has a hard-on for Lou & Babs are the ones that see themselves as them? “These youngins don’t know what real hockey is, you need grit and real gud pros that give 110% to win”

I never saw that, just people defending Lou from the Dubas fan club, like if you didn’t agree he was the worst GM in history, something was wrong with you. Anyways, Lou just wins everywhere, the facts speak for themselves. I always saw Dubas taking over, my personal opinion was we did it a year early. People create us vs them, then project it onto everyone else, that’s how I see your “hard on” comment, nobody was harder than you.

 

[gamer1035]

I don't understand it either OP.

After Matthews and Marner's first seasons, if you told me this is where we'd end up a couple years ago, I'm sure the fan base would've agreed back then to fire this clown. However, he's got some sorta unconditional support despite no results. Our cap is terrible, our pick situation is terrible and we've been bounced in the first round 5 straight years. The team has peaked with no means for improvement.

Dubas wasn't even your average guy. Nepotism got him the gm job with an ohl club, and shanny took a risk in hiring him and that backfired. This isn't some wiz kid hard working genius. Just a guy who got lucky via nepotism and f***ed our bright core.

 

[stickty111]

The better question is do the others fans see Lou in themselves? I get the support for him comes from some sonvinced you can win with 12 Nick Foligno's or even Matt Martin's in the forward group and 6 Roman Polak's?

If they can, then clearly someone who only watches fights in hockey games can run a team like Lou does.
Lou's positive is a coach he got gift wrapped is saving him.

 

[TMLegend]

The better question is do the others fans see Lou in themselves? I get the support for him comes from some sonvinced you can win with 12 Nick Foligno's or even Matt Martin's in the forward group and 6 Roman Polak's?

If they can, then clearly someone who only watches fights in hockey games can run a team like Lou does.
Lou's positive is a coach he got gift wrapped is saving him.

Lmao. On cue as always.

 

[stickty111]

I guess everyone that still has a hard-on for Lou & Babs are the ones that see themselves as them? “These youngins don’t know what real hockey is, you need grit and real gud pros that give 110% to win”

Seeing the Lou fan club already going after you is not surprising. If you didn't think Lou was perfect, the name calling and attacks would start. Lou also hasn't won in a long time, but people like to ignore that. Yes he has won series(Trotz can make up for a mediocre GM), but cups are the goal.

I have never seen some fans so attached to a GM like Lou before though. It's strange. Rather see him win then the team they cheer for.

 

[CelticDruid]

Seeing the Lou fan club already going after you is not surprising. If you didn't think Lou was perfect, the name calling and attacks would start. Lou also hasn't won in a long time, but people like to ignore that. Yes he has won series(Trotz can make up for a mediocre GM), but cups are the goal.

I have never seen some fans so attached to a GM like Lou before though. It's strange. Rather see him win then the team they cheer for.

What has Dubas won?

 

[hamzarocks]

Kyle Dubas should pull a Bryzgalov and say "It's only game, why you heff to be mad" at tomorrow's press conference and walk out.

 

[TMLegend]

Seeing the Lou fan club already going after you is not surprising. If you didn't think Lou was perfect, the name calling and attacks would start. Lou also hasn't won in a long time, but people like to ignore that. Yes he has won series(Trotz can make up for a mediocre GM), but cups are the goal.

I have never seen some fans so attached to a GM like Lou before though. It's strange. Rather see him win then the team they cheer for.

Who's going after him? I'm actually kinda worried for your well-being. You're seeing things that aren't there.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I really want to hear the excuses this year.

There is nothing they can say anymore.

Mitch and Auston are more than ready and flopped.

 

[Gabriel426]

I like some of his ideas. He certainly has a plan.
One thing I see is Dubas is evolving and learning on the job.
I think he will pull the trigger this off season with one of the core and it will be a good deal.
But if he still can't build a team to win in the playoffs, then he has to go.
Nothing against him but if he can't lead the team to the Cup, he needs to go.

 

[ItsFineImFine]

Let's be honest, if he was some old-boy middle aged bald guy, people would be calling for his head. He's a likable dude so people want him to succeed but you have to be ruthless here and also detached from the situation. He put together what has become this mess so there's no way for him to be objective about it or even acknowledge it's become a mess.

Might just be bad luck and not fully his fault but if your team gives up 5 bad goals....you pull the goalie even if the defence was at fault. Make the change what do we have to lose here.

 

[Donnie740]

Comparing an inexperienced little kid like Dubas to a Hall if Fame GM like Lamoriello is comical.

That’s like comparing Marner to Gretzky.

Lamoriello has won THREE (3) Cups - - Dubas hasn’t even managed to win a single playoff series.

 

[Stephen]

Seeing the Lou fan club already going after you is not surprising. If you didn't think Lou was perfect, the name calling and attacks would start. Lou also hasn't won in a long time, but people like to ignore that. Yes he has won series(Trotz can make up for a mediocre GM), but cups are the goal.

I have never seen some fans so attached to a GM like Lou before though. It's strange. Rather see him win then the team they cheer for.

I’m actually a big fan of the history of the game and love following great GM’s and builders like Sam Pollock gaming the amateur draft and deep farm systems and what have you.

I can feel confident in saying there’s no shame in being a fan of Lou Lamoriello if anybody is. I’m actually not a fan of his style and the collegiate, almost Boy Scouts approach to system building but you have to admire the efficiency of it if not for a lack of star power interest or entertainment value at times. Remember how ruthlessly efficient his New Jersey teams buzz sawed the Detroit Red Wings in the 90s or the Quinn Leafs in the 2000s? 3x Stanley Cups?

I don’t necessarily want the Leafs to be the 2020s Islanders from a style POV but how do you argue with success on success on success?

 

[Mats13]

Nah I see me as myself

I see Dubas as the Leafs GM. I hope he does the best possible because then my team does well.

For the life of me I can’t understand “fans” that want a GM to fail so badly that they enjoy watching their own team fall apart so they can say they were right.

Hell I wanted Burke and Nonis to be as successful as possible. I don’t get people with personal grudges against GMs. Just so weird to me.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Lol TC is hilarious. As someone who likes most of what Dubas has done no, I don't see Dubas as myself. He overpaid for Matthews and Marner, and trading for an already injured Foligno was terrible, but he couldn't have foreseen this. If someone told me "I'll give you 1 milion dollars if both Matthews and Marner combined register atleast 2 goals. And if they don't you give me your car. I would take that bet and run. Mind you, if combined those two had just three freaking goals we are facing Winnipeg. Our Rocket Richard winner and top 5 point getter choked. That simple. Hindsight is 20/20 so it's easy to blame Dubas now for paying these chokers way too much, but at the time they had us by the balls.

I put more of the blame on Keefe and the choke artists than I do on Dubas.

 

[A1LeafNation]

What has Dubas won?

When has Lou won, 20 years ago?

 

[TMLegend]

When has Lou won, 20 years ago?

Once you're a winner, you're always a winner. Nobody can ever take that away from Lou Lamoriello.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Once you're a winner, you're always a winner. Nobody can ever take that away from Lou Lamoriello.

Ok And?

Doesn't mean you can win now.

 

[Mickey Marner]

This is almost certainly the root cause of the widespread fanboism. For a guy who's never accomplished anything of note he sure does have a surprisingly large number of irrational sycophants.

I mean, I like analytics and probably have several gigs of hockey data saved to my computer as well as dozens of hockey statistic websites bookmarked on my browser. But I'm not a particularly tribal person and just because Dubas beats the analytics drum the loudest doesn't make him the most proficient drummer, or even necessarily a proficient drummer at all. For all I know he's all rhetoric and no substance, as he certainly hasn't done anything to prove his ideas work.

Edit.

Also, the Lou vs Dubas false dichotomy isn't something that someone who actually tries to look at things rationally and analytically would make. Irony is a subtle art.

 

[Cleetus]

Seeing the Lou fan club already going after you is not surprising. If you didn't think Lou was perfect, the name calling and attacks would start. Lou also hasn't won in a long time, but people like to ignore that. Yes he has won series(Trotz can make up for a mediocre GM), but cups are the goal.

I have never seen some fans so attached to a GM like Lou before though. It's strange. Rather see him win then the team they cheer for.

again who hired Trotz? and cups are the goal NYI still playing, where is Dubas's leafs? curious, changes must be considered here....

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Once you're a winner, you're always a winner. Nobody can ever take that away from Lou Lamoriello.

Leafs could care less what Lou did at that time. What can he do now?

As for the original question, I could care less about his age and background. Could be Lou's age for all I care if he has the same philosophy. I definitely feel like there are some really old school fans who are personally insulted that a guy half their age is in charge of their team. That's their problem though, not the Leafs.