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zeke said:
Interesting.

So "puck possession" in the offensive zone means we don't credit the team with good defense, but we also call offensive zone pressure "bad defense". Seems like a nice little logical loop.

And what if I told you the leafs don't actually give up a lot of odd man rushes? What would you say about their defense then?
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The game is fluid but if we buy the logic that maintaining puck possession is a form of good defense, any breakdown of that puck possession especially by misplays by defensemen count as part of a bad defensive play.

You can throw out whatever information you want but any week that has 2x short handed goals by via miscue at the blueline, and 3x 2 on 1 rush goals and 17 goals against in 4 games (2 EN) in 4 games is not what I would categorize as positive defensive trends. And let’s face it, Andersen the biggest scapegoat can’t even be blamed.
 
This is one the most likeable teams since the Gilmour days. They frustrate me sometimes, but they are fun to watch and they seem to be really close knit.
 
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Stephen said:
The game is fluid but if we buy the logic that maintaining puck possession is a form of good defense, any breakdown of that puck possession especially by misplays by defensemen count as part of a bad defensive play.
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Except you are specifically NOT allowing that "puck possession is good defense".
 
I don't know why there has to be a referendum on this team after a few bad games. I think the Leafs have performed poorly over the last three games but jeez. Yes the Leafs did give up too many odd man rushes against Winnipeg, but A) it's a rare occurrence when we do and B) Winnipeg is one of the best counterattack teams in the league. The results look worse because the Jets know how to convert on those chances. Overall, both in the stats and the (apparently) end all be all eye test, the Leafs are a solid defensive team this year. We've held the Jets to only one goal in 3 of our 4 wins over them. Jets can hang with us, but they're wins have come on the back of their strong counterattack, great goaltending from Hellebuyck, and a couple of questionable late third period penalties against us.
 
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Stephen said:
The game is fluid but if we buy the logic that maintaining puck possession is a form of good defense, any breakdown of that puck possession especially by misplays by defensemen count as part of a bad defensive play.
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Pretty sound logic IMO.
 
Teeder Keon said:
Sometimes , sometimes experience allows one to render a solid opinion without casting down stats
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Are you a Magician...? How do you use experience and your eyes to draw a conclusion...? I mean if you dont turn it into a video game style thing where the stats are in front of you.... impossible... sounds like voodoo to me..
 
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zeke said:
His eyes and those clearcut numbers wildly disagree with your eyes, btw.
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Get prepared to have your mind blown....

Ready?

... numbers don't tell the whole story ...

...and this is the big one... when you have "fans" (like you) that don't understand how to use the data correctly... they misinterpret the data.... BOOOOOOOM!

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Sincerely sit and watch the game with a knowledgeable person who has played the game at a high level... you might learn something .. I have and I did and I do almost every time...
 
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Bluelines said:
Get prepared to have your mind blown....

Ready?

... numbers don't tell the whole story ...

...and this is the big one... when you have "fans" (like you) that don't understand who to use the data correctly... they misinterpret the data.... BOOOOOOOM!

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Sincerely sit and watch the game with a knowledgeable person who has played the game at a high level... you might learn something .. I have and I did and I do almost every time...
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I have, I did and I do and I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. Defensive breakdowns happen on all 31 teams. In today’s NHL, a goal against 90% of the time is the result of a defensive breakdown. This isn’t the 80s where a shot from the high circle with no traffic can beat the goalies clean.

Now some choose to emphasize those defensive breakdown as exclusively a Toronto Maple Leafs problem, yet fail to realize how little it happens to us relative to the rest of the league.

Just out of curiosity, in which decade did you play high level hockey
 
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Bluelines said:
Get prepared to have your mind blown....

Ready?

... numbers don't tell the whole story ...

...and this is the big one... when you have "fans" (like you) that don't understand who to use the data correctly... they misinterpret the data.... BOOOOOOOM!

giphy.gif


Sincerely sit and watch the game with a knowledgeable person who has played the game at a high level... you might learn something .. I have and I did and I do almost every time...
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But you are so, so terrible at watching hockey.
 
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The Podium said:
I have, I did and I do and I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. Defensive breakdowns happen on all 31 teams. In today’s NHL, a goal against 90% of the time is the result of a defensive breakdown. This isn’t the 80s where a shot from the high circle with no traffic can beat the goalies clean.

Now some choose to emphasize those defensive breakdown as exclusively a Toronto Maple Leafs problem, yet fail to realize how little it happens to us relative to the rest of the league.

Just out of curiosity, in which decade did you play high level hockey
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Sorry I thought this was a forum for Leaf fans to discuss the Leafs, I didn't know that in a forum dedicated to the Leafs, in a thread dedicated to a Leaf topic, I had to acknowledge the other 30 teams... my ..bad...errr.. I guess ... you missed the point the defensive breakdowns that I mentioned are easily corrected with better positional play, better decision making. I guess your saying that all goals scored against the Leafs were impossible to stop, there is nothing the coach can do or the players can do or change to prevent any of those goals.

I've played at a high level since I can remember, I was playing provincial Bantam hockey at 12 years old, that is typically where 14 -16 year old kids play. I started to play in the 80's, played ever since.
 
Bluelines said:
Sorry I thought this was a forum for Leaf fans to discuss the Leafs, I didn't know that in a forum dedicated to the Leafs, in a thread dedicated to a Leaf topic, I had to acknowledge the other 30 teams... my ..bad...errr.. I guess ... you missed the point the defensive breakdowns that I mentioned are easily corrected with better positional play, better decision making. I guess your saying that all goals scored against the Leafs were impossible to stop, there is nothing the coach can do or the players can do or change to prevent any of those goals.

I've played at a high level since I can remember, I was playing provincial Bantam hockey at 12 years old, that is typically where 14 -16 year old kids play. I started to play in the 80's, played ever since.
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Im good, you can tell when people played based on their complaints. Hockey’s changed a bunch since the 80s and playing beer league now isn’t the same as playing competitive. Not to say I’ve played that much more recently, I was mid 90s-early 2000s.

Yes, I agree a lot of their defensive breakdowns could have been prevented, but the whole point of a defensive breakdown literally means just that. You’re asking them not to breakdown defensively ever, which is impossible.

Just look at the goals we score, odd man rushes, back door passes, etc. The plays you complain about are literally the only way to score in today’s NHL unless you’re a team that pots a bunch of ugly crash the net goals.
 
zeke said:
But you are so, so terrible at watching hockey.
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Oh you don't have to ask me over, I would confuse you with knowledge, like the pointy thing, as you call it, is a stick and the donut thingy that looks like a Boston Crème is actually the puck, oh and those guys with the striped shirts stop calling them escaped criminals... they are the refs... maybe you can ask the 6 year old next door that just started to play the game, he probably... no he does know more than you... :)
 
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Bluelines said:
Sorry I thought this was a forum for Leaf fans to discuss the Leafs, I didn't know that in a forum dedicated to the Leafs, in a thread dedicated to a Leaf topic, I had to acknowledge the other 30 teams
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Acknowledging other teams, understanding how much these things happen to them, and utilizing the valuable tools that exist would help you realize that the Leafs are actually one of the better teams in the league in the things you complain about. You will never be satisfied (with any team ever) if you are looking for zero mistakes.
 
Bluelines said:
This is one more reason why I sincerely don't think you've ever played the game, you probably can't even skate.

Stick to your spreadsheets and fantasy sports websites
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That seems to be the biggest issue with those that have no opinion or understanding of the game. They rely on the fancy graphs and thoughts put out by ‘JFresh’ and ‘Jeffler’ as some type of proof. I guess having a Twitter account makes them some type of authority.
Dubas has put together a pretty good team here who are talented enough to go as far as their will takes them. We saw last year when missing the playoffs that graphs won’t carry you anywhere, you have to show up and play.
 
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Bluelines said:
Oh you don't have to ask me over, I would confuse you with knowledge, like the pointy thing, as you call it, is a stick and the donut thingy that looks like a Boston Crème is actually the puck, oh and those guys with the striped shirts stop calling them escaped criminals... they are the refs... maybe you can ask the 6 year old next door that just started to play the game, he probably... no he does know more than you... :)
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You couldn't even see the blatantly obvious tactical weaknesses in babcock's system.

You can't even seem to get a reasonable idea of quality chances allowed from watching the games. Like you're not even close.
 
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