Speculation: Do you dress Yakemchuk for Game 4?

[BondraTime]

His preseason, especially that cakewalk 3 on 3 OT winner, is going to haunt him for years

 

[Micklebot]

His preseason, especially that cakewalk 3 on 3 OT winner, is going to haunt him for years

Oh yeah, having a strong showing is definitely a terrible thing.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

His preseason, especially that cakewalk 3 on 3 OT winner, is going to haunt him for years

Not just him apparently.. A good number of Sens fans have the preseason as the sum of their impression on Yakemchuk. He left a very good impression with them.

 

[BondraTime]

Oh yeah, having a strong showing is definitely a terrible thing.

Not a terrible thing whatsoever

But, without a shadow of a doubt, is giving false hope on what he's going to bring, and is going to be brought up in here for years

 

[Micklebot]

Not a terrible thing whatsoever

But, without a shadow of a doubt, is giving false hope on what he's going to bring

I have very little expectations in what he'll bring should he suit up. He's maybe a PP specialist at this point that gets under 10 mins total icetime. The goal at this point is to help him understand how far he needs to come before he can be a regular in this league. If the staff thinks they can facilitate that by giving him a game, by all means.

 

[otown]

He needs to gain confidence not erase it! The jump from Jr to the NHL is difficult enough during the regular season let alone the playoffs.

 

[BondraTime]

I have very little expectations in what he'll bring should he suit up. He's maybe a PP specialist at this point that gets under 10 mins total icetime. The goal at this point is to help him understand how far he needs to come before he can be a regular in this league. If the staff thinks they can facilitate that by giving him a game, by all means.

I mean, they aren't going to be playing him on the PP, and he hasn't exactly set the world on fire on the PP this year. He's got 2 pp goals and 6 pp assists in his last 35 WHL games.

I'm all for throwing him in for the sake of it because we are down 3-0, but there isn't an actual role he can fill in the lineup now. Throwing him in is givning up on the season, which I'm not completely against looking at things

He should know how far he has to go based on his season this year, if we need to throw him to the wolves to ensure it, I'm all in

 

[PlayOn]

I don’t think the Sens care about Yak’s development at this moment. They are only going to play him if they actually think he will help them win, and he’s not better than the six guys we’re icing - I think it would be really hard to make an argument for that.

Even if we all know we’re not going to win this series, they aren’t gonna basically make an indirect admission of it and throw him in for development purposes.

 

[Agent Zub]

i mean we clearly need an offensive pop.

the team is just working hard, but not showing much skill.

i think he would have upper end skill on our roster so i would play him. something has to change.


wonder if they would play parekh if they had him.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

i mean we clearly need an offensive pop.

the team is just working hard, but not showing much skill.

i think he would have upper end skill on our roster so i would play him. something has to change.


wonder if they would play parekh if they had him.

Calgary didn't play him down the stretch until they were eliminated.. Doubt it.

Now Buium is maybe a better question. He is in the Wild lineup and being used as a PP QB ... something Yakemchuk did not do this year in the WHL.
Buium leads all Wild skaters in PP TOI...obviously filling a need at that position.

 

[Micklebot]

I don’t think the Sens care about Yak’s development at this moment. They are only going to play him if they actually think he will help them win, and he’s not better than the six guys we’re icing - I think it would be really hard to make an argument for that.

Even if we all know we’re not going to win this series, they aren’t gonna basically make an indirect admission of it and throw him in for development purposes.

I mean, I'd argue that's what they did when they played Stone in 2012.

The thing is, if they think he can gain some valuable development experience playing a game, it likely means they think there are areas he can contribute in too. They will likely be shortening the bench in an elimination game, so it becomes less about the overall game your 3rd pair D can provide, and more about situational benefits.

They may not think he's there, but they were very close to having him make the roster opening night of the reg season, so their opinion on his play may be different than some around here.

 

[Icelevel]

It's way easier to throw a forward in than a defenceman.

Yakemchuk isn't ready for this. It would be bad for him and it would be bad for the team. Anyone who actually watched him this year would say the same.

It would in no way be bad unless he single handedly costs us the game.
But I’m not saying they should do it.
For fun I wouldn’t mind it. And there is the possibility that he helps win.

 

[PlayOn]

I mean, I'd argue that's what they did when they played Stone in 2012.

The thing is, if they think he can gain some valuable development experience playing a game, it likely means they think there are areas he can contribute in too. They will likely be shortening the bench in an elimination game, so it becomes less about the overall game your 3rd pair D can provide, and more about situational benefits.

They may not think he's there, but they were very close to having him make the roster opening night of the reg season, so their opinion on his play may be different than some around here.

You can shelter forwards so much easier, and it’s a lot easier to be a better option than 1/12 guys than it is 1/6.

On top of that Kleven is a rookie and at least has a ton of familiarity with Matinpalo dating back to Belleville. It’s not like we’ve got a really experienced LD to carry the load for Yak on the bottom pairing. We’ve heard so often how crucial it is to be able to communicate with your D partner so this would be a move that kinda throws everyone to the wolves imo.

 

[Agent Zub]

taking out stone for silverberg cost us that series.

not because we all knew one was better than the other at that point. but Stone was hungry, Silfverberg, had just won the SEL championship after a long playoff run and was most likely emotionally exhausted. still a lil salty about that lol.

Calgary didn't play him down the stretch until they were eliminated.. Doubt it.

Now Buium is maybe a better question. He is in the Wild lineup and being used as a PP QB ... something Yakemchuk did not do this year in the WHL.
Buium leads all Wild skaters in PP TOI...obviously filling a need at that position.

would a parekh type talent help us right now though? yes imo, he is a gamebreaker.

we have 1 gamebreaker rn, Toronto has like 4/5.

 

[BondraTime]

I mean, I'd argue that's what they did when they played Stone in 2012.

The thing is, if they think he can gain some valuable development experience playing a game, it likely means they think there are areas he can contribute in too. They will likely be shortening the bench in an elimination game, so it becomes less about the overall game your 3rd pair D can provide, and more about situational benefits.

They may not think he's there, but they were very close to having him make the roster opening night of the reg season, so their opinion on his play may be different than some around here.

Stone and Yak had extremely, nearly polar opposite, seasons leading into the playoffs

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

taking out stone for silverberg cost us that series.

not because we all knew one was better than the other at that point



would a parekh type talent help us right now though? yes imo, he is a gamebreaker.

we have 1 gamebreaker rn, Toronto has like 4/5.

Parekh could be an upgrade at PP QB but its still a tough situation to bring a rookie D into. I expect Parekh to excel as a PP QB in his career.
Hypothetical discussion obviously.
I don't see the reason to clamor for inserting Yakemchuk .. I can see more downside than upside with that move. If the Sens brass are that high on him resulting from his pre-season showing vs his body of work .. I guess we'll see him in. I think this group is more patient and cautious than some over zealous fans.

 

[Agent Zub]

Parekh could be an upgrade at PP QB but its still a tough situation to bring a rookie D into. I expect Parekh to excel as a PP QB in his career.
Hypothetical discussion obviously.
I don't see the reason to clamor for inserting Yakemchuk .. I can see more downside than upside with that move. If the Sens brass are that high on him resulting from his pre-season showing vs his body of work .. I guess we'll see him in. I think this group is more patient and cautious than some over zealous fans.

i mean we're down 0-3, chances to win the series are extremely slim, not sure what's over zealous about it. just trying something new. like pulling a goalie even though its not his fault.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

i mean we're down 0-3, chances to win the series are extremely slim, not sure what's over zealous about it. just trying something new. like pulling a goalie even though its not his fault.

I look at it as win 1 game. I am not taking the risk of inserting Yakemchuk and I don't think the Sens will.

 

[Norris4Norris]

I would play him just in hopes he has a great game with 1 goal and 2 assists and gives hope for next season.

The flip side is that I don't want him to get injured coming in cold to a very intense atmosphere.

 

[flyingfingers]

Stone and Yak had extremely, nearly polar opposite, seasons leading into the playoffs

Yakemchuk had a very good all-around season in the WHL and is just as good a prospect as Stone was.

 

[BondraTime]

Yakemchuk had a very good all-around season in the WHL and is just as good a prospect as Stone was.

He definitely didn’t have a very good season in the WHL, especially taking into account expectations. That’s pretty much universally agreed upon, even his biggest backers at the draft like Pronman saying the same. Doesn’t mean he’s not a very good prospect, it’s just how the season went.

He is definitely a higher profile guy with the draft slot he had, and he has a ton of potential if he can put it all together.

Stone
Top player for Canada at world Jr’s
2nd in league scoring
2nd in league MVP
4th straight year with a jump in production

Yak
Not invited to WJ camp
Saw a drop in production
Saw a massive drop in the 2nd half of the season
Just as many questionable decisions as last year, still trying to deke through 3 guys

Their seasons were extremely, extremely different.

 

[flyingfingers]

He definitely didn’t have a very good season in the WHL, especially taking into account expectations. That’s pretty much universally agreed upon, even his biggest backers at the draft like Pronman saying the same. Doesn’t mean he’s not a very good prospect, it’s just how the season went.

He is definitely a higher profile guy with the draft slot he had, and he has a ton of potential if he can put it all together.

Stone
Top player for Canada at world Jr’s
2nd in league scoring
2nd in league MVP
4th straight year with a jump in production

Yak
Not invited to WJ camp
Saw a drop in production
Saw a massive drop in the 2nd half of the season

Their seasons were extremely, extremely different.

I'll disagree.

If you're a stat watcher and had bucketed Yakemchuk as pure offensive defensemen like Parekh, you'd look at his numbers with concern.

But I don't think the Senators view him like that, nor is that what they (Wade Redden specifically who was with him a lot) were focused on this season. They want him to be more Aaron Ekblad than Evan Bouchard.

And the other parts of his game is where his focus was, and I think he made some pretty strong strides. He's much more ready, IMO, to step into an NHL role than he was at the start of this year, considering the polish of his overall game.

Also, it's futile to compare prospects who have different strengths and weakness, who have been advised by their NHL clubs to work on different things, and who play on different teams in different leagues based on raw numbers, and it's even more futile to directly compare a prospect from 2012 to a prospect in 2024. What Mark Stone did in 2012 has no bearing on whether Yakemchuk had a good season or not, or whether he could/should step into a playoff game right now.

You have to watch these guys play, individually. I watch a lot of WHL and am pretty bullish on him, admittedly. I think his game will translate very well to the more structured play in the NHL, as soon as next season.

We'll see what Green and co. decide.

 

[BondraTime]

I'll disagree.

If you're a stat watcher and had bucketed Yakemchuk as pure offensive defensemen like Parekh, you'd look at his numbers with concern.

But I don't think the Senators view him like that, nor is that what they (Wade Redden specifically who was with him a lot) were focused on this season. They want him to be more Aaron Ekblad than Evan Bouchard.

And the other parts of his game is where his focus was, and I think he made some pretty strong strides. He's much more ready, IMO, to step into an NHL role than he was at the start of this year, considering the polish of his overall game.

Also, it's futile to compare prospects who have different strengths and weakness, who have been advised by their NHL clubs to work on different things, and who play on different teams in different leagues based on raw numbers, and it's even more futile to directly compare a prospect from 2012 to a prospect in 2024. What Mark Stone did in 2012 has no bearing on whether Yakemchuk had a good season or not, or whether he could/should step into a playoff game right now.

You have to watch these guys play, individually. I watch a lot of WHL and am pretty bullish on him, admittedly. I think his game will translate very well to the more structured play in the NHL, as soon as next season.

We'll see what Green and co. decide.

I’m definitely not not a stat watcher, I’ve been watching Yakemchuk all year, and last, and commenting on plays and games all year, he’s been talked about after each game throughout the whole playoffs

 

[flyingfingers]

I’m definitely not not a stat watcher, I’ve been watching Yakemchuk all year, and last, and commenting on plays and games all year, he’s been talked about after each game throughout the whole playoffs

In that case we just have a differing opinion, then. Personally his point production is of no concern to me, nor was his snub from the WJC team, considering how that team was managed and coached from top to bottom.

I do think the likelihood of Green putting him in tomorrow is slim, in reality, but I’d be willing to bet that he’s a full-time member of the NHL team by game 20 next season!

 

[lang006]

Are we coming back in this series? I’m gonna quote Alfie and go with “probably not”.
Yakemchuk is not about to be our savior for this year so we don’t need to do that. Hoping that he comes to camp on a mission to earn his spot next season.

As for the goalies keep running Ullmark. We need him the next four years so no point throwing our potential future goalie Levi to the wolves and have him subjected to that kind of pressure. I see Levi and Ullmark as a future 1a 1b tandem. WRT Forsberg he has been serviceable backup but his time with us is likely over so no need to start him Saturday. He might get a 45 save shutout or more likely he allows 2 or 3 goals on 6 shots.