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mikeyz said:
“The moniker “Muskoka five” Implied that veteran players in Toronto were too comfortable, content to play out the season and spend summers by the lake”

Have you watched the last 5 playoff rounds? Especially the past 2?

Other then the term “veterans” save for JT and Rielly, Until they prove me otherwise, I think that quote perfectly describes those 5 guys ATM.
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You dont have a clue what u are talking about like the op
 
geo25 said:
I belive they all do but some haven't taken effect yet.
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What you believe is wrong!

Tavares - No Movement
Rielly - First 6 years: NMC Final 2 years: 10 team no trade clause
Mrazek - Modified No Trade (Must submit 10 team no trade list)
Holl - Modified No Trade (Must submit 10 team no trade list)
Muzzin - No Trade (starting July 2023)
Simmons - No Trade (final season 23/24 he must submit 10 team no trade list)
Brodie - No Trade (final season 23/24 he must submit 10 team no trade list)
 
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ottomaddox said:
What is the meaning behind the name?
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I admit the name I chose is somewhat misleading and in retrospect should have titled it different. The Muskoka 5 all had no trade clauses and didn't want to leave. "My" Muskoka 5 are Matthews, Reilly, Marner, Nylander & Tavares. This core group hasn't, nor do I think they will ever win us a cup. This core like the previous one deserves to be broken up, dismantled and replaced with a different breed of player. They all have or soon have NTC. If any tinkering should be done it's before those kick in. This group is umpredictable, lethargic, overpaid (not Matthews) and have no leadership abilities. I think one or more should be traded. I don't think Reilly deserved the term and raise he got and I think Matthews should be Captain. But most of all, I believe our entire Mgmt group from the President on down should be changed. keefe...?
I just dont see us winning anything...(let alone the cup) with this core.....
Hope this better defines what I am trying to get at....sorry for any misunderstanding.
 
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Muskoka 5: A group of good/great players that the fanbase and media turned on because of management's inability to get a goalie, leading new management feeling compelled to heavy handedly bully them out of town in a foolish attempt to avoid a rebuild, leading to the leafs having no leverage and getting hosed on every single transaction.
 
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4thline said:
Muskoka 5: A group of good/great players that the fanbase and media turned on because of management's inability to get a goalie, leading new management feeling compelled to heavy handedly bully them out of town in a foolish attempt to avoid a rebuild, leading to the leafs having no leverage and getting hosed on every single transaction.
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But why tho?
 
geo25 said:
I admit the name I chose is somewhat misleading and in retrospect should have titled it different. The Muskoka 5 all had no trade clauses and didn't want to leave. "My" Muskoka 5 are Matthews, Reilly, Marner, Nylander & Tavares. This core group hasn't, nor do I think they will ever win us a cup. This core like the previous one deserves to be broken up, dismantled and replaced with a different breed of player. They all have or soon have NTC. If any tinkering should be done it's before those kick in. This group is umpredictable, lethargic, overpaid (not Matthews) and have no leadership abilities. I think one or more should be traded. I don't think Reilly deserved the term and raise he got and I think Matthews should be Captain. But most of all, I believe our entire Mgmt group from the President on down should be changed. keefe...?
I just dont see us winning anything...(let alone the cup) with this core.....
Hope this better defines what I am trying to get at....sorry for any misunderstanding.
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I like your word "umpredictable". Sort of made me laugh.

In all seriousness. You have a point. This team does have a leg up on the original Muskoka 5 though. They actually made the playoffs several years in a row. McCabe, Sundin, Tucker, Kaberle, and Kubina didn't.
 
4thline said:
Muskoka 5: A group of good/great players that the fanbase and media turned on because of management's inability to get a goalie, leading new management feeling compelled to heavy handedly bully them out of town in a foolish attempt to avoid a rebuild, leading to the leafs having no leverage and getting hosed on every single transaction.
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Hey, perhaps you are right. I hadn't thought of it from that perspective.
 
geo25 said:
Many similarities...I was a fan during that era. These 5 have much in common. Were you even a fan then?
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How ? lol. They were 5 guys with NMC who refused to waive them to get traded so that we could rebuild. How is that in any way similar to the guys we have now ? Were you even a fan then lol
 
geo25 said:
I admit the name I chose is somewhat misleading and in retrospect should have titled it different. The Muskoka 5 all had no trade clauses and didn't want to leave. "My" Muskoka 5 are Matthews, Reilly, Marner, Nylander & Tavares. This core group hasn't, nor do I think they will ever win us a cup. This core like the previous one deserves to be broken up, dismantled and replaced with a different breed of player. They all have or soon have NTC. If any tinkering should be done it's before those kick in. This group is umpredictable, lethargic, overpaid (not Matthews) and have no leadership abilities. I think one or more should be traded. I don't think Reilly deserved the term and raise he got and I think Matthews should be Captain. But most of all, I believe our entire Mgmt group from the President on down should be changed. keefe...?
I just dont see us winning anything...(let alone the cup) with this core.....
Hope this better defines what I am trying to get at....sorry for any misunderstanding.
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You wanted a reaction, you still just want a reaction. Do you have nothing better to do than try and make people miserable. There's multiple threads on this issue but you just had to make a new one with an inflammatory title?
 
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notbias said:
They were no more selfish than players like Ovechkin, McDavid, Kucherov, Rantanen, Tkachuk, Jones, Karlsson, Panarin, etc... They negotiated a contract that they thought was fair, everyone besides Doughty, Kane, and Toews appears to be paid for their regular season numbers, not for their track record of winning, if that were the case, McDavid would be a 6 million dollar player.

I really don't care what someone did 50 years ago.

Your opinion is not based on logic though, that is the issue. You've watched more hockey than most? You being old is supposed to make me think you know more about hockey?
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All of the players you mentioned had accomplished more or signed for less than ours. There is no doubt that our 3 rfas our among the most overpaid when looking at their comparables. Especially when you add on the front loaded and signing bonuses.

Mcdavid would be making 6 mil? Wow

Mcdavid had won an art Ross, a lindsay and a heart when he resigned. It's like you know nothing about hockey at all.

Experience is better than in experience. But seeing as how you are massive dubas fan boy, I can see why you would think experience is a bad thing.

Do you ever make a post using logic and common sense? I'd honestly like to see one but Im not holding my breath.
 
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rojac said:
People wonder why few Toronto players sign team-friendly contracts. Maybe it's because they know that there's a section of this fanbase that will turn on them and try to run them out of town.
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Imagine excusing dubas' poor contract negotiations on the fanbase.

How pathetic is dubas that he requires a constant stream of lame excuses from his segment of fan boys?
 
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AvroArrow said:
Giving up on Steen after 1 year was one of the stupidest things that team did, oh and trading Rask for Raycroft lol.
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giving up on both Steen and Coliacovo were stupid. Leafs had good young talent and moved on from most of them for aging vets. Wellwood, Steen, Stajan, Coliacovo, Ian White, were all servicable.
 
AvroArrow said:
Giving up on Steen after 1 year was one of the stupidest things that team did, oh and trading Rask for Raycroft lol.
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I have trouble ranking those 3 moves in terms of stupidity.

With the Sauer/Finger mixup I swear Fletch thought we were getting Backes in the Steen deal.

McCabe and Kubina, just dumb. McCabe had 1 bad injury marred season, and this city turned him into an immovable cap dump that had to be moved RIGHT NOW. We added a pick to get a worse defenseman, he returns to form and puts up 3 solid seasons, being named Captain and traded for positive value. Kubina wasn't even underperforming, Burke just wanted a more physical defense so traded a good top pairing dman for a 3rd pair, to free up the cap space for a bad top pairing dman that ended up getting bought out.
 
Stamkos4life said:
All of the players you mentioned had accomplished more or signed for less than ours. There is no doubt that our 3 rfas our among the most overpaid when looking at their comparables. Especially when you add on the front loaded and signing bonuses.

Mcdavid would be making 6 mil? Wow

Mcdavid had won an art Ross, a lindsay and a heart when he resigned. It's like you know nothing about hockey at all.

Experience is better than in experience. But seeing as how you are massive dubas fan boy, I can see why you would think experience is a bad thing.

Do you ever make a post using logic and common sense? I'd honestly like to see one but Im not holding my breath.
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He was talking about winning, not individual accomplishments. Follow the thread, I know it is hard for some.
 
There is a difference between being 30+ on a retirement contract and mid 20s wanting to win.

The problem is, the core as it’s constructed lacks the other elements needed to succeed in the playoffs. It’s not hard to play against made worse by the salaries costing you mid tier backup talent through the lineup. You can’t go from Nylander to Kerfoot and then fall off a cliff after that talent wise.

There is no more Kadri or Hyman, 4 million guys to carry when the stars crash.
 
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