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News Article: Do the Rangers have a culture problem? An exclusive look at what's bubbling at MSG

Kords said:
Yeah, on his podcast this morning he mentioned he had some time left over and wanted to use it before it expired. I’ll give him the benefit of doubt but the timing is funny to say the least.
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it was a good article, the closest resemblance to old-school editorial I've seen from a hockey writer for a while, except for maybe the (very) rare Larry column
 
mrhockey193195 said:
100% aligned on this. I'm a big fan of both moves. At the end of the day, I think the locker room also understands why these moves were made. Though I think they're also frustrated that they've seen these cap clearing moves be made, but no moves to actually improve the roster...



I don't agree with this framing. He tried to trade Trouba this off season, and Trouba used his negotiated rights in his contract to block the trade. If The Rangers org didn't want to be in that situation, they should not have offered Trouba a NTC.

Why are we expecting a player to waive a right they negotiated for absolutely nothing in return?!?!?


I categorically disagree with this. The leadership does not believe they have carte blanche. They are pissed that their management won't show them the bare minimum decency of meeting with them in person and talking to them. The most basic and fundamental things in a healthy work relationship.
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If you want to call it his negotiated right then so is trading him and waiving Goodrow. You can't have it both ways. And threatening to not report is circumvention.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
If you want to call it his negotiated right then so is trading him and waiving Goodrow. You can't have it both ways. And threatening to not report is circumvention.
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Correct.

It's a give and take. Players and their agents fully know that when they are negotiating protections in their contracts, they are also negotiating their vulnerabilities.

And then they get all Surprised Pikachu Face when teams use those vulnerabilities (again, that were negotiated for)
 
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On the podcast, Mollie mentioned that Drury spoke with the team, but the way it was positioned kinda' sounded like this was the first time in recent that he spoke with them. I can't imagine that's true and we just went all this time without Drury talking to the team. If that's the case, that's just unacceptable for management.
 
TGWL said:
On the podcast, Mollie mentioned that Drury spoke with the team, but the way it was positioned kinda' sounded like this was the first time in recent that he spoke with them. I can't imagine that's true and we just went all this time without Drury talking to the team. If that's the case, that's just unacceptable for management.
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Boyle went on to say the GM only address the team when things are really bad. Described Sather being really hard on them but positive. If the GM has to talk to the team frequently to massage their egos, it's a sign of poor leadership in the room. Which we obviously have. I dont think it was an accident Trocheck cleared the air and the team had a loose practice yesterday.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Boyle went on to say the GM only address the team when things are really bad. Described Sather being really hard on them but positive. If the GM has to talk to the team frequently to massage their egos, it's a sign of poor leadership in the room. Which we obviously have. I dont think it was an accident Trocheck cleared the air and the team had a loose practice yesterday.
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If management doesn't view the last 30+ days as really bad, they've got a problem. We've had nothing but GM related media coverage.
 
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mandiblesofdoom said:
First time we lucked into bad goalies, and Crosby got injured. Second time we got the Caps, who weren't very good. Both times we got Carolina, who somehow we can beat. Both times we looked awful in the Conference Finals ... it appeared we were over our heads.
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We're looking like the worst team in the league lately, there's no way we fell this far without a push. Won the presidents trophy and now the worst in the league.
 
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eco's bones said:
I was thinking that too. Maybe there's something real to what he's saying but the more salacious he can make this the more readers he's going to hook. He's very much a New York Post journalist though I do think he's a Rangers fan too. He was gushing over them last year but end of the day for him it's all to be turned into some kind of entertainment.

He's different than the other beat writers. He can thrive off of confrontation.....like his battles with Torts or the bashing he took from Dan Boyle with his 'Who me?' playing the victim card. Boyle was to some degree washed up at that point though.
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Bro I forgot about Dan Boyle
 
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Tob said:
vince the brainlet. Of course pr staff shouldnt be having dinner with players. Could easily be future banging incidents. No idea what this one is about.
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Common sense from Tob!
 
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mrhockey193195 said:
He never threatened not to report. Where on earth did that come from?!?
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I think it was Brooks, but there was a report circulating. Though to be fair I'm not sure it has been substantiated. But what has been substantiated was that he blocked a trade to Detroit when he found out we wanted to trade him there. Either way he has made trading him difficult and sabotaged this season. So f*** him sideways.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
I think it was Brooks, but there was a report circulating. Though to be fair I'm not sure it has been substantiated. But what has been substantiated was that he blocked a trade to Detroit when he found out we wanted to trade him there. Either way he has made trading him difficult and sabotaged this season. So f*** him sideways.
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But again - he blocked a trade to Detroit with his negotiated NTC that was part of his contract. If he's not allowed to use it, why does it exist? Why should he waive a right in his contract for nothing in return?

Flip the script. Imagine a player asked the team for something, a favor, not in their contract. You would probably be livid.
 
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mrhockey193195 said:
But again - he blocked a trade to Detroit with his negotiated NTC that was part of his contract. If he's not allowed to use it, why does it exist? Why should he waive a right in his contract for nothing in return?

Flip the script. Imagine a player asked the team for something, a favor, not in their contract. You would probably be livid.
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Ok, and he negotiated a conversion of the NMC to a partial NTC in the final years of his contract. He got traded. He complains. Drury did nothing wrong.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Ok, and he negotiated a conversion of the NMC to a partial NTC in the final years of his contract. He got traded. He complains. Drury did nothing wrong.
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Again, the complaints are not that he got traded, or that Drury told him he would go on waivers if he didn't accept a trade. The complaints were around Drury & his (lack of) communication. Allegedly, Drury never bothered to speak with him in person or on the phone for ~5 months. The GM never spoke with his team's captain or had the decency to even tell him that they were going to move on from him.

Whether or not you think that's a valid complaint is a separate thing. I'm also not saying Trouba is not devoid of blame himself. He played really, really poorly. I'm glad we've moved on from him. But Drury's method of doing business and moving on from players and personnel, not speaking with people or treating them like respected members of the org, THAT is what is rubbing people the wrong way.
 
mrhockey193195 said:
Again, the complaints are not that he got traded, or that Drury told him he would go on waivers if he didn't accept a trade. The complaints were around Drury & his (lack of) communication. Allegedly, Drury never bothered to speak with him in person or on the phone for ~5 months. The GM never spoke with his team's captain or had the decency to even tell him that they were going to move on from him.

Whether or not you think that's a valid complaint is a separate thing. I'm also not saying Trouba is not devoid of blame himself. He played really, really poorly. I'm glad we've moved on from him. But Drury's method of doing business and moving on from players and personnel, not speaking with people or treating them like respected members of the org, THAT is what is rubbing people the wrong way.
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I think that part was pretty well understood by all parties LOL. Just a matter of when.

IDK. This Rangers team sounds a lot like my office where everyone in the f***ing organization wants input in every decision that gets made and they get all bent out of shape when I have to tell them I can't discuss personnel matters with them.

You can be rubbed the wrong way by what management is doing, but you still have to show up and play. You still have to be a professional. These guys all know that.
 
Gordon Bombay said:
Do you feel this is a directive from Drury or is this more of a Dolan thing.

I’ve been getting the feeling that Drury is just a puppet or extension of Dolan.
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I don't think he's a puppet or extension but I don't think he gets the benefit of a doubt the way Sather did. Sather could go about his business and explain away anything he did to Dolan and get away with it, Drury and to some extent Gorton couldn't/can't do that (Gorton had Sather as a buffer obviously)

TGWL said:
On the podcast, Mollie mentioned that Drury spoke with the team, but the way it was positioned kinda' sounded like this was the first time in recent that he spoke with them. I can't imagine that's true and we just went all this time without Drury talking to the team. If that's the case, that's just unacceptable for management.
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In the actual article she wrote she said that Drury has been talking with the teams leadership and talked to players 1 on 1, this was just him addressing the team all together.

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Drury is regularly meeting with the leadership group and met with all players one-on-one prior to the full-team meeting Thursday.


The importance of bringing everybody together has been recognized.
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mrhockey193195 said:
Again, the complaints are not that he got traded, or that Drury told him he would go on waivers if he didn't accept a trade. The complaints were around Drury & his (lack of) communication. Allegedly, Drury never bothered to speak with him in person or on the phone for ~5 months. The GM never spoke with his team's captain or had the decency to even tell him that they were going to move on from him.

Whether or not you think that's a valid complaint is a separate thing. I'm also not saying Trouba is not devoid of blame himself. He played really, really poorly. I'm glad we've moved on from him. But Drury's method of doing business and moving on from players and personnel, not speaking with people or treating them like respected members of the org, THAT is what is rubbing people the wrong way.
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I, as a paying customer could not give two f***s about how Drury treats them. I do however care that the team is dogging it. So f*** the players sideways still.
 
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