Do people still believe Halak isn't a world class goalie?

[Bleedred]

After looking at his numbers, he hasn't been that impressive, but MUCH better than anything they've had in the last few years.

He's been better than Nabokov the last couple years, and all of the Islanders backups have had a sub 900 save percentage the last 3 years. Including Ochocinco, Halak's current backup, who makes Ray Emery look good this year.

 

[NewHopeForEveryone]

i lold...and i lold hard...

so much delusions...

"in 2010 with Montreal, he had superb defense with Bergeron,Markov and (pylon) Gill"
"on Blues team he wasnt reason behind their success, because Blues were stacked team"
now "Islanders offense is reason why he"s winning games that he shouldn"t because...yeah...he"s an average goalie"

excuses...excuses everywhere...

btw...if Elliot won starting job over Halak, thus making him better of this duo, than Halak is better than Price, because he won starting job over Price few times in Montreal

 

[legendinblue]

We shall see after this season's over. But he's a very solid goalie, not elite though.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I don't know about World Class, but he's the best starter the Isles have had since Rick DiPietro guided them to the playoffs on his back and then well...became a butt end of jokes.

 

[Kojo]

He found his home in Brooklyn, lots of delusional Islanders fans have blind faith in him despite his mediocre numbers so far this year. He barely scratch the top-10 now but he's a good gamble to have on a team like the Islanders.

He's a goalie who never played more than 60 games in a season, his worst year was when for the only time in his career he played over 50 games in a season.

Scratch that, he played 52 games last year also, but still.

 

[StLHokie]

I think he's proven it for sure. Count me as one person that doubted he would make a huge difference for the Islanders. I knew he would be an upgrade over the skeleton of Nabokov, but didn't think he would be as good as with St Louis.

He should also be pumped in the playoffs. He'll play with a real chip on his shoulder after being traded for Miller last year, who did a really good job in helping sink the Blues in the playoffs. And also for having to be the backup to Brian Elliott (dumb decision by Hitchcock) in the 2013 playoffs. Elliott wasn't bad that series against LA, but I remember a couple backbreakers that he let in.

Halak was hurt in the LA series, that's why Elliot was in net. It was always the Blues' intention to have Halak carry the workload in the playoffs, problem was that he always got untimely injuries.

 

[depthwins*]

I don't believe he's anywhere near world class. His numbers over his career are average at best.

 

[Section32]

What's this?

Oh, just another thread talking about how the Islanders and their players are unlike anything the league has seen since their dynasty days.

Halak has had a great year, but world class?

Let's see him take this team into the conference finals and beyond before we start talking about that.

We are still in January.

Is also not like he is behind some crap club.

We have been hearing how they have the deepest forward group in the league, as well as top 3 D corp in conference...

 

[Corto]

Let's see him take this team into the conference finals and beyond before we start talking about that.

I wish people would stop saying this as some kind of argument against Halak.
Outside of Hasek and maybe Giguere, his Montreal run was the best I've seen a goalie play in the last 20 years.

Is he a world class goalie? Probably not, just "merely" very, very good.
Is he capable of stepping up in the playoffs? Absolutely. And he's proven it already.

 

[Kojo]

I wish people would stop saying this as some kind of argument against Halak.
Outside of Hasek and maybe Giguere, his Montreal run was the best I've seen a goalie play in the last 20 years.

Is he a world class goalie? Probably not, just "merely" very, very good.
Is he capable of stepping up in the playoffs? Absolutely. And he's proven it already.

You misspelled Roy. Halak had one of the best backup at the time in Price, who played in 41 games that year. I don't think Halak deserve to be mentioned beside Hasek and Roy. He was good but he didn't do what Hasek and Roy could do.

 

[ODAAT]

He did it with Montreal back when he had virtually zero experience...

so did Marc Andre Fleury

Halak had a run that was tremendous, since then.....

for him to establish he`s one of the best, he needs to do it consistently when it counts most. I like the Isles, love the fact they are relevant again, he is still a playoff concern for me though

 

[GTA]

Not per the data, he hasn't:
http://hockeygoalies.org/bio/rinne.html

Over the past three regular seasons, he's been 9%, 18%, and 28% more variable than an average goaltender.

Thank you for continually dropping knowledge bombs into this thread....it's refreshing.

 

[Brooklanders*]

so did Marc Andre Fleury

Halak had a run that was tremendous, since then.....

for him to establish he`s one of the best, he needs to do it consistently when it counts most. I like the Isles, love the fact they are relevant again, he is still a playoff concern for me though

I agree with your last two lines. The great thing is that this year is the perfect time for him to show the world what's he made of. The Isles are gonna leave the playoffs in his hands. No more excuses. Halak either puts up or shuts up.

 

[ODAAT]

I agree with your last two lines. The great thing is that this year is the perfect time for him to show the world what's he made of. The Isles are gonna leave the playoffs in his hands. No more excuses. Halak either puts up or shuts up.

Yep, as I stated, while I`m not an Islanders "fan" in the truest sense, I`m a long time hockey fan and recall watching the dynasty days of the Islanders and really appreciating what that team brought to the game. Was a shame the organization and most importantly, the fans have had to endure since that time

Time will tell for Halak, he`ll be relied upon and show many what he has long before the playoffs as the play heats up with teams doing everything they can to get or stay in a playoff spot as we head down the home stretch here

 

[Brooklanders*]

What's this?

Oh, just another thread talking about how the Islanders and their players are unlike anything the league has seen since their dynasty days.

Halak has had a great year, but world class?

Let's see him take this team into the conference finals and beyond before we start talking about that.

We are still in January.

Is also not like he is behind some crap club.

We have been hearing how they have the deepest forward group in the league, as well as top 3 D corp in conference...

I don't believe this thread was started by a New York Islander fan.


True NYI fans are cautiously optimistic.

 

[CH25]

Being a starter in the NHL is already "world class". He's just not part of the best the league has to offer. He's still pretty good though.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Thank you for continually dropping knowledge bombs into this thread....it's refreshing.

Thanks! I figure I've gotta do something with them, otherwise they just in a database and never get to go out.

 

[pepperMonkey]

You misspelled Roy. Halak had one of the best backup at the time in Price, who played in 41 games that year. I don't think Halak deserve to be mentioned beside Hasek and Roy. He was good but he didn't do what Hasek and Roy could do.

Well, technically, Roy was 21 years ago so he could have conceivably missed the record breaking run that Roy went through...

 

[potsos]

Jaro is a good goalie. Certainly not elite. The eye test and numbers both support this.

 

[Chojin]

Jaro is an average NHL goalie who is injury prone, having been a non-factor for the Blues in two consecutive playoffs. However, he's way better than any other goalie the Islanders have had recently, and he's getting a lot of wins, due partially to good goal support, so I see why some think he's elite. We'll see what happens in the playoffs though.

 

[SA16]

Jaro is an average NHL goalie who is injury prone, having been a non-factor for the Blues in two consecutive playoffs. However, he's way better than any other goalie the Islanders have had recently, and he's getting a lot of wins, due partially to good goal support, so I see why some think he's elite. We'll see what happens in the playoffs though.

It's basically like. It's like when the Chiefs upgraded from Cassel/Orton/Other junk to Alex Smith. When you go from near worst in the league to right on average it's a huge upgrade that can make a big difference.

 

[hersky77]

Alot of people are overating what Jaro did for the Habs in 2010. He was amazing, but people are forgetting that Cammy was scorching hot, the D blocked everything in sight.

Im not taking anything away from the guy, but he is the not the only person that deserves credit for that improbable run.

 

[Section32]

I don't believe this thread was started by a New York Islander fan.


True NYI fans are cautiously optimistic.

I assume the OP is a Detroit fan.

But the "very" cautious Islander fans are all over this thread supporting the fact that Halak is all-world.

Can you not understand how other fans, especially rivals, might find it difficult stomach all of the bombastic, over-the-top threads about your club 45 games into the first relevant season you've had in 20 years?

And I do try to ignore them in general, but very often the Rangers are somehow dragged into the discussion. Even when they have nothing to do with the current topic. As such, I follow the threads.

 

[Darth Milbury]

What's this?

Oh, just another thread talking about how the Islanders and their players are unlike anything the league has seen since their dynasty days.

Halak has had a great year, but world class?

Let's see him take this team into the conference finals and beyond before we start talking about that.

We are still in January.

Is also not like he is behind some crap club.

We have been hearing how they have the deepest forward group in the league, as well as top 3 D corp in conference...

Gad, your Ranger fan need to continually bash the islander fanbase gets old. The OP is not an Islander fan. He started of with the outrageous assertion that Halak is world class a few moments after starting a thread claiming that the Sedins are 100 pt scorers. Nobody here agrees with him and just about every islander fan views that extreme characterization as ridiculous. Most of us feel that some of the bashing of Halak here is unfair,but we all view him as middle of the pack.

There certainly are not a whole slew of isles fans that view him as all world.


This is just like your input in that silly "team to beat" thread - which you somehow twisted to be about the isles winning the cup ( which all of us repeatedly said wouldn't happen).

You are so eager to attack a strawman that you don't actually pay attention to the thread.

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

i lold...and i lold hard...

so much delusions...

"in 2010 with Montreal, he had superb defense with Bergeron,Markov and (pylon) Gill"
"on Blues team he wasnt reason behind their success, because Blues were stacked team"
now "Islanders offense is reason why he"s winning games that he shouldn"t because...yeah...he"s an average goalie"

excuses...excuses everywhere...

btw...if Elliot won starting job over Halak, thus making him better of this duo, than Halak is better than Price, because he won starting job over Price few times in Montreal

Well that's just not true in the least. I'm not even sure how to respond to it.

Anyways, Halaks numbers this year aren't really good. A goalie's record is as irrelevant as a pitchers record. It makes no sense to even use it.

I never thought he got a fair shake here, just saying his numbers are not impressive.