Do Erik Karlsson and Sergei Bobrovsky make the Hall of Fame?

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  • Both

    Votes: 34 11.1%
  • Karlsson only

    Votes: 211 68.7%
  • Bobrovsky only

    Votes: 4 1.3%
  • Neither

    Votes: 58 18.9%

  • Total voters
    307

McPoyle

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Both will make it. Karlsson was arguably the best dman of the 2010s. Bob has won 2 Vezinas and racked up 336 wins by age 33. He will likely surpass 400 by the time he retires. 400+ wins and 2 Vezinas is a HOF resume.
 

Erik Alfredsson

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Why is EK even being debated? How young are you guys/how short are your memories?

EK was doing the same kind of things we all lost our mind about Makar doing last year, if fact even better (and I couldn't be higher on Makar).

4th in league scoring, led the league in assists, dragged a pretty average Sens team to the ECF, tilted the ice completely with his skating and puck moving. 2x Norris, 4x top 2. He's 100% in already no debate needed.
Karlsson always had a sizable portion of people on HF who just visit every thread and shit on him. It's very strange, it's like they're emotionally invested in their belief that he's a bad player or overrated. I really don't understand, you can think other defenseman than him were better, but to try to pretend like the guy isn't a HHOF player or wasn't that good just makes it look like you don't know what you're talking about. These people actually think they're living in a world where Phil Housley makes the HHOF but Karlsson doesn't.

Not only does he have the accolades you listed, but he's already 31st all-time for defenseman scoring. He has a good chance of finishing top 20 all-time in dmen scoring by the time he's retired. Everyone except in the top 20 in defenseman scoring except Gary Suter and Sergei Gonchar is in the HHOF. Everyone who has 2 Norris trophies is in the HHOF. Everyone who finished top 2 in Norris voting at least 4 times is in the HHOF. He's 100% going in.
 
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BigBadBruins7708

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Karlsson always had a sizable portion of people on HF who just visit every thread and shit on him. It's very strange, it's like they're emotionally invested in their belief that he's a bad player or overrated. I really don't understand, you can think other defenseman than him were better, but to try to pretend like the guy isn't a HHOF player or wasn't that good just makes it look like you don't know what you're talking about. These people actually think they're living in a world where Phil Housley makes the HHOF but Karlsson doesn't.

Not only does he have the accolades you listed, but he's already 31st all-time for defenseman scoring. He has a good chance of finishing top 20 all-time in dmen scoring by the time he's retired. He's 100% going in.

It's residual pushback from in his prime when there were endless threads about him being the next Orr and who's better Karlsson or Orr.

Basically the Makar hype cranked up to 11
 

Erik Alfredsson

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It's residual pushback from in his prime when there were endless threads about him being the next Orr and who's better Karlsson or Orr.

Basically the Makar hype cranked up to 11
Except there were none of those threads, or at least they were rare. People like to whine about them, but I literally didn't see many threads comparing Karlsson against Orr, or saying he's the modern Orr, and I was on HF everyday back then. I mean I'm sure there were 1 or 2 (just like how there's "is McDavid > Gretzky?" threads every now and then), but the way people whine about them you'd think that there were threads every week about how he's better than Orr.
 
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Frolov 6'3

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Since you think you know better, how does one make the hall of fame without individual accolades?

Let me explain that to you, just for you.

Everyone is aware of the statistics and playoffs performances.

You make it sound extremely difficult like we need an award or something as evidence. A player can have none while he actually should/could have had one or even two.
 
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KevinRedkey

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I’m going to guess Bob has another great season in him in which he is a top 5 goalie and he gets in.

Karlsson isn’t worth debating. He’s out.

lol

Any defenceman who wins 2 and is runner-up for 2 Norris trophies, and is a era-defining talent is a no brainer. He's in 100%

Edit... also:
Olympic Silver Medalist (led team in points)
World Junior Silver Medalist
 
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Except there were none of those threads, or at least they were rare. People like to whine about them, but I literally didn't see many threads comparing Karlsson against Orr, or saying he's the modern Orr, and I was on HF everyday back then. I mean I'm sure there were 1 or 2 (just like how there's "is McDavid > Gretzky?" threads every now and then), but the way people whine about them you'd think that there were threads every week about how he's better than Orr.
Maybe not a lot of Orr vs Karlsson threads, but he was everywhere on here. The worst ones were usually Karlsson vs Subban.
 

KevinRedkey

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I think a better question for Dmen is if Brent Burns makes the Hall of Fame.
 

Crow

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I think a better question for Dmen is if Brent Burns makes the Hall of Fame.
At first I thought that’s an easy yes too. A Norris and two more top 3 finishes and huge offensive numbers for a d man. But some of his numbers weren’t as a dman and I don’t know when that started. A bigger fan of his will have to educate me.
 

ijuka

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Karlsson should, he's been the most important defenseman for the position in years.

Bobrovsky, no.
 

DaveG

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EK is a no-brainer, he was arguably one of the top 10 if not top 5 defenseman peaks in league history and injuries are the only reason it was derailed.

Bob has been interesting, 5 years in a 7 year stretch where he was dominant winning 2 Vezinas and 2 top 5 Hart finishes. And then the rest of his career which has ranged from OK to replacement level. It would be hard to argue letting him in over someone like Thomas (2 Vezinas, Smythe, same 7 year peak) or Barrasso (somehow actually more consistent when adjusting for era with a much longer starter career), shy of Bob having a late career resurgence out of nowhere somehow. That said Bob's negative of having an albatross contract isn't going to be held against him as much as the negatives on the other two. I'd say no on Bob personally until those two and a few others are in, but I can see the voters putting him in while continuing to shaft some of the other eligibles.
 

BigBadBruins7708

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EK is a no-brainer, he was arguably one of the top 10 if not top 5 defenseman peaks in league history and injuries are the only reason it was derailed.

Bob has been interesting, 5 years in a 7 year stretch where he was dominant winning 2 Vezinas and 2 top 5 Hart finishes. And then the rest of his career which has ranged from OK to replacement level. It would be hard to argue letting him in over someone like Thomas (2 Vezinas, Smythe, same 7 year peak) or Barrasso (somehow actually more consistent when adjusting for era with a much longer starter career), shy of Bob having a late career resurgence out of nowhere somehow. That said Bob's negative of having an albatross contract isn't going to be held against him as much as the negatives on the other two. I'd say no on Bob personally until those two and a few others are in, but I can see the voters putting him in while continuing to shaft some of the other eligibles.

Bob really only has 2 dominant years. All he has outside of the 2 Vezina seasons is a 9th place SV% finish
 

Dellstrom

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Karlsson absolutely should. Solid resume and you could argue he was the best player in the world for a (short) period of time.

Bob could go either way, but if Tim Thomas doesn't get in, I can't really see him. Both have two Vezinas and a high peak, but Thomas has a Cup, Smythe and one of the best goalie seasons ever. Obviously doesn't have the longevity Bob has, but Bob has also been mediocre to bad in most of his other seasons.
 

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I don’t think his case is questioned much. The only people questioning it are either

A) People who didn’t watch him in his prime and are extrapolating his current form to his whole career

B) People not familiar with the HoF standards

C) Haters

So 20% of HFBoards seems about right.
D. I think his talent level was there but I don't feel like his prime was long enough to make him a "lock".

Bob is a definite no unless he does something, or a few things, between now and the end of his career. Theres at least a half dozen goalies better than him that are not in the hall.
 

Weztex

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D. I think his talent level was there but I don't feel like his prime was long enough to make him a "lock".

Bob is a definite no unless he does something, or a few things, between now and the end of his career. Theres at least a half dozen goalies better than him that are not in the hall.
Same length as Eric Lindros. When you get to peak that high for half a decade, you become one of the defining player of your generation. I surely hope a museum that's supposed to preserve hockey's history would celebrate those players before the Mark Recchis and Sergei Zubovs of this world.
 

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