Do any of the draft dmen have a higher ceiling than Guhle or Reinbacher?

[Hoochi Papa]

We don't know the "ceiling" for any of these players.....it is a nonsensical assertion.

Both of Reinbacher and Guhle are much bigger than Buium and are better skaters than Buium. Reinbacher and Guhle have demonstrated offensive potential which we certainly know can develop later for dmen than it does for forwards. It is very likely that both Reinbacher and Guhle turn in to better defenders due to their physical advantages and strong IQ, so the question is how much better can Buium be offensively and that is a huge unknown after having inflated stats playing for Denver and the slower offensive progression that defenders like Guhle and Reinbacher typically make due to their defensive effectiveness and the resulting usage.

I like Buium a lot and have him in my top three dmen in this draft but claiming to definitively know that Buium has a higher ceiling is just not measurable or projectable especially because the true measure of "ceiling" is overall impact and not point totals.

I think we are far more in agreement than disagreement and there likely are semantics that have come in to play. I prefer Dickinson if we are going to take a LHD but if they decide Buium is their man then I will be comfortable with that as well......I just really don't want Parekh or Yakemchuk even though they are righties and fit our needs a little more from a handedness perspective. I have moved Levshunov to 4th in dman rankings behind Dickinson, Buium and Silayev.

In the end we don't know anything. Well, during Bergevin era we could be pretty sure, if not 100 percent sure, that he definitely f***ed up. Otherwise it's always an unique mixture of moving particles which is vulnerable to unexpected changes and setbacks. That is why we speak in potentials and rely on things we've seen so far. And even then our outcomes differ.

I would love Yakemchuk if he could be had with WPG 1st+. He's interesting, but 5th overall is way too rich for my taste.

 

[jaffy27]

Buium and Dickinson have a really good shot, the rest I’d say are on par or lesser

 

[jaffy27]

Buium's potential is far beyond Guhle and Reinbacher.

Agree, doesn’t mean he’ll reach it but would seem that the tools and trajectory is there. Don’t think Buium will dominate physically but points wise would seem to favour him….we will see

 

[Michelangelo]

Reinbacher would probably be the 3rd or 4th defenseman drafted in this year's draft tbh

 

[WeThreeKings]

Reinbacher would probably be the 3rd or 4th defenseman drafted in this year's draft tbh

No, he would be challenging Levshunov.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Having a lot higher ceiling doesn't diminish the achievements of a less potential player. But if Canadiens are looking to become a Stanley Cup winning team in the future, they need to swing when players with Buium's pivotal potential are available. Guhle and Reinbacher, if they reach their peak, will be solid stalwarts for this team and there's nothing wrong about it.

Perhaps. But the bottom line is that most teams drafting any of the available defencemen in this year's draft would be happy if their selected player enjoys the success and level of play that Guhle has already achieved, let alone the level that he is now projected to reach. I don't think one could say the same thing about Reinbacher. But things can change.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Reinbacher would probably be the 3rd or 4th defenseman drafted in this year's draft tbh

Fair and I would agree. Probably get taken 7-10 range. How big is the RD factor?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Last years draft was better then this year and Reinbacher went 5th so no he would not go between 7-10 he would be in the same conversation with Levshunov

 

[CDN24]

Reinbacher would probably be the 3rd or 4th defenseman drafted in this year's draft tbh

He probably would be that does not necessarily mean he would be the 3 rd or 4 th best. he may be the best or may be the 20th best. I think the best year ever for D drafted may have been 2008.

2nd OA Drew Doughty 669 NHL pts
3rd OA Zach Bogosian 227 NHL pts
4th Alex Pietrangelo 604 NHL pts
5th Luke schenn 198 NHL points
12th OA tyler Myers 371 NHL pts
13th Colton Tuebert 1 NHL point
15th OA erik Karllson 817 NHL points
17th Jake gardiner 227 NHL pts
19th Luca Sbisa 113 NGHL pts
20th Michael Del Zotto 262 NHL pts
23rd Tyler Cuma 1 NHL game no pts
27 John Carlsson 674 NHL pts
32nd Voyonov 81 NHL points and some legal issues
37th Cofy Goloubef 25 NHL pts
38th Roman Josi 686 NHL pts

Who would be your no 1 today is it still Doughty, Pietrangelo, The 7th d picked in Karlsson, or the 15th in Josi.

Sometimes even 15 yrs later its hard to pick the right one.

 

[HuGort]

Surprised Dickinson got more votes than Buium. Must be size advantage. Dickinson is text book Stanley Cup defenseman. Size, mobile, shot, can log ton of minutes. Take away passing lanes, give goalie protection, makes it tough in finesse opponents down low.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

A lot of these guys have higher ceilings due to their offensive potential, but also have lower floors compared to someone like Guhle who's already shown he can eat 20+ minutes a game.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Surprised Dickinson got more votes than Buium. Must be size advantage. Dickinson is text book Stanley Cup defenseman. Size, mobile, shot, can log ton of minutes. Take away passing lanes, give goalie protection, makes it tough in finesse opponents down low.

He’s superior to Buium in almost every facet except one: skating. There’s a reason Hunter gave away the farm to acquire Dickinson. If Dickinson could skate like Buium, he would-be going first overall in the draft. It wouldn’t be close.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Guhle is already a legitimate 2nd pair dman and he just turned 22 in mid January......most young dmen who are as good as him at this age end up being top pairing dmen or at least bordering on it.

People forget just how young Guhle is as he is only 11 months older than Konyushkov who some around here believe is one of our top D prospects. I absolutely see Guhle as a great bet to be a true top pairing dman by the time that he is 25-26 which is around the time most top pairing dmen start graduating to that role. He obviously is not a Makar type of player who will ascend immediately due to elite offensive production but he will turn 23 this season and I believe that we will see him take another significant step in his third NHL season as is common with top young defenders.

I disagree. Look at how many young D were signed to big contracts around the league and now are not living up to them. I like Guhle, but on a better team I think he settles in as a top 4 dman. It's possible he keeps getting better, and that he ends up a top pairing guy and becomes a star, but to me it looks more likely that he loses minutes to the guys coming up behind him or acquired via trade.

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

 

[26Mats]

He’s superior to Buium in almost every facet except one: skating. There’s a reason Hunter gave away the farm to acquire Dickinson. If Dickinson could skate like Buium, he would-be going first overall in the draft. It wouldn’t be close.

Isn't Dickinson a good skater in his own right?

 

[LPHabsFan]

They all have higher ceilings because we know less about them than we do the guys that were already drafted. That's how it works every year.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Isn't Dickinson a good skater in his own right?

I have been watching Dickinson closely for two years, starting last season when I was following Mailloux's development. It quickly became apparent to this writer that Dickinson was in a different class of prospects than Mailloux and that was and remains a much better prospect than Mailloux. He was stronger, more physical, a better skater, had a better shot and was a much better defender than Mailloux. The only draw back is Dickinson lacks the explosive, high end speed that would make him a perennial Norris Trophy candidate in the NHL. That being said, he will be a sure fire top pairing defenceman at the next level. He's a born leader who has captaincy written all over him.

We could do far, far worse than taking Dickinson at 5 OA if, for some reason, he falls that far. Some mock drafts that have Dickinson being taken after other defencemen like Parekh, Silayev, etc. in the 7 OA to 10 OA range are, respectfully, up the proverbial gum tree.

 

[BLNY]

Guhle: yes.

Reinbacher: I'm not sold that there's more upside. People go ga-ga over the latest fad and points in NCAA. Reinbacher's been playing against men in pro hockey for two years. This year, his team was atrocious. Anyone thinking he doesn't light up NCAA and have a legit shot at the Hobey in either year is fooling themselves. He stepped right in at Laval and produced too.

 

[StreetHawk]

This draft probably best draft ever for defensemen. In my mock draft I have 5 going in top 10. In my top 20 I have 7 defensemen going. Could go more than that, I have Solberg as best hitter in draft. He could sneak in top 15-20.

Realistically, difficult to surpass the 2008 draft of Doughty, Pietroangelo, Karlson, Carlson from round 1. With solid careers from Bogo, Schenn, Myers, as well from round 1. Plus Jossi in round 2. Good players as well with Hamonic, Scandella, J. Schultz, and even Voynov (without the DV) in round 2.

 

[CHwest]

Historically defensemen are hard to predict at draft age. lots of misses and lots of surprises in later picks.

 

[HuGort]

Realistically, difficult to surpass the 2008 draft of Doughty, Pietroangelo, Karlson, Carlson from round 1. With solid careers from Bogo, Schenn, Myers, as well from round 1. Plus Jossi in round 2. Good players as well with Hamonic, Scandella, J. Schultz, and even Voynov (without the DV) in round 2.

Usually somebody from later rounds turn into good D-men also. '08 good comparison.

Reinbacher about 5th best D in this draft. Guhle higher ceiling than Reinbacher. Concussions also though.

 

[Mayday1980]

Prospects are like lotto scratch tickets, where your scouting of the player gives you the rough odds of the prospect being a winner (meaning they make the NHL in some form) and more games on the ticket are scratched each year after drafting.

IMO, both Guhle and Reinbacher have shown top-4 dman ticket wins so far, with alot of the Guhle ticket being scratched, though dmen take more years to figure out your final winnings.

I'd argue Levshunov and Dickenson are pretty much guaranteed top-4 dmen with higher potential payouts than both Guhle and Reinbacher. Buium has a #1 dman payout but the odds are lower and he might end up being a non-winner. Parekh has a #1 dman payout but he's just as likely to be a 3rd pair PP specialist. Silaiev is a #1 dman payout ticket that you may never be able to cash and when you do, it could be in a currency worth pennies to the dollar. Yaremchuk is a pull tab ticket that doesn't give you any odds IMO.

So it all depends on how much you like risk. I would say half of these guys will likely be better than our guys but which ones...... Time will tell

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Guhle is at least a top-4 in the NHL, and I'm not confident enough to choose any Dman in this draft ahead of him. I have Reinbacher lower than at least Levchunov, Dickenson, and Buium.

 

[ReimanSum1908]

Every one of them has a higher ceiling than either Guhle or Reinbacher, some vastly, and only the former is in any way superior to them in terms of certainty of projection.

 

[habdynasty]

No none of them do.

 

[Jaynki]

In my opinion,

Buium, Parekh and Silayev have higher ceiling than Guhle. Reinbacher is in the tier with the highest upside.

Dickinson, Levshunov are more in lines with Guhle.