WJC: Divisions I-III

[Canada4Gold]

All they have to do is beat them? It's like saying I simply have to run fast to beat Usain Bolt.

Have you seen Korea play? Like, ever? I will be very surprised if they finish this championship with more than 11 points, from what I've seen promotion is out of the question.

yep, and all GBR has to do is beat Korea, like saying all I have to do is run faster than Usain Bolt.

No I haven't seen them play. I'm just going by what I've seen these past 2 days, in terms of stats because unfortuanetly I've been too busy studying for exams to watch. Both teams were outshot by the Netherlands, neither team is dominating. Based only on those 2 matches it sure as hell doesn't look like the Brits are overwhelming favorites to me.

And while a team is undefeated, I don't think it's fair to say promotion is out of the question just because you don't think they can beat a Britain team who needed to score 4 goals in the 3rd to win their game today by 1.

 

[3 Minute Minor]

yep, and all GBR has to do is beat Korea, like saying all I have to do is run faster than Usain Bolt.

No I haven't seen them play. I'm just going by what I've seen these past 2 days, in terms of stats because unfortuanetly I've been too busy studying for exams to watch. Both teams were outshot by the Netherlands, neither team is dominating. Based only on those 2 matches it sure as hell doesn't look like the Brits are overwhelming favorites to me.

And while a team is undefeated, I don't think it's fair to say promotion is out of the question just because you don't think they can beat a Britain team who needed to score 4 goals in the 3rd to win their game today by 1.

When you admit you didn't watch the games and say you're going off stats alone, the post looks like this:

 

[Canada4Gold]

Oh so I'm not allowed to say that Korea might give Britain a run for their money because I didn't watch the damn game. Gotcha.

I'm not acting like a know it all here. I just said, hey, Korea is 2-0, and there hasn't been any blowouts from anyone, don't count them out yet. Guess that's not allowed. I'll make sure I ask the Corporal the rules before I interject again.

 

[3 Minute Minor]

Oh so I'm not allowed to say that Korea might give Britain a run for their money because I didn't watch the damn game. Gotcha.

I'm not acting like a know it all here. I just said, hey, Korea is 2-0, and there hasn't been any blowouts from anyone, don't count them out yet. Guess that's not allowed. I'll make sure I ask the Corporal the rules before I interject again.

I actually said Korea shouldn't be underestimated on the last page:

I'm not sure why people are so quick to underestimate Korea but doing so is a bad idea.

GB played Korea twice in the last 3 U18 tournaments, they lost 6-5 last year & 4-3 in 2012.

They don't play the sexiest game but they're always in it.

but some of your points you tried to make about GB are simply not true, it's a direct result of not watching games & just looking at the box score.

Uninformed posters are to blame for a lot of thread derailments.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Some of my posts about Britain? I didn't say anything about Britain except they were outshot by the Netherlands, and haven't blown anyone out. I didn't say that meant they suck, or they won't win, or that anyone is overestimating them. I just don't think you can write a team off after 2 games, especially 2 games they've won.

Britain is probably the favorites no doubt. I just gave my opinion that I think that it wouldn't be a huge shock if Korea beat them, and I got 2 replies 1 comparing beating Britain in hockey to beating Usain Bolt in a race, and another essentially telling me to shutup(not in those words) unless I watched the games.

I don't act like I know this crap, I probably know the least of anyone posting in this thread. But I can still give my opinion, and if you guys don't care to read it then fine.

 

[SoundAndFury]

I'm not sure why people are so quick to underestimate Korea but doing so is a bad idea.

GB played Korea twice in the last 3 U18 tournaments, they lost 6-5 last year & 4-3 in 2012.

They don't play the sexiest game but they're always in it.

I don't think I'm underestimating them and yes, they have a chance to win against GB but the thing is they have to win against both GB and Lithuania and, once again it's strictly just my opinion, they have a snowflake's chance in hell to take all 6 points out of those two matches. Koreans got carried by their goalie through the Netherlands but I just don't believe it could happen two more times.

GB, meanwhile, has the game against Lithuania out of the way and they did get 3 points there.

yep, and all GBR has to do is beat Korea, like saying all I have to do is run faster than Usain Bolt.

How so? Koreans lose to Lithuania (there's like 50% chance of that hapening) and GB - Korea match won't mean anything. That's the point. Korea has already lost a point and they have relatively tougher matches left to go.

 

[SoundAndFury]

And while a team is undefeated, I don't think it's fair to say promotion is out of the question just because you don't think they can beat a Britain team who needed to score 4 goals in the 3rd to win their game today by 1.

I never said they can't beat Britain in that one game. I think it's extremely unlikely they can win promotion because they need at least 8 of remaining 9 points. And GB needed to score 1 goal in the third to win the game in OT/SO. They just happened to score a lot more.

But this "they had to do this they had to do that", "outshot by Netherlands", stats, yada yada yada is downright silly. I can tell you one fun stat: Korea has scored one even strength goal in the tournament. One. 1. Does that mean anything?

 

[3 Minute Minor]

I don't think I'm underestimating them and yes, they have a chance to win against GB but the thing is they have to win against both GB and Lithuania and, once again it's strictly just my opinion, they have a snowflake's chance in hell to take all 6 points out of those two matches. Koreans got carried by their goalie through the Netherlands but I just don't believe it could happen two more times.

GB, meanwhile, has the game against Lithuania out of the way and they did get 3 points there.

Fully agree with the bigger picture and I was actually typing that myself before I noticed the new post.

I was disagreeing with the Usain Bolt thing lol that 1 game will be more competitive than that. GB hasn't been starting well and Korea is the type of team that is able to take advantage of them if they slip up. A loss to Lithuania tomorrow and a GB win could make the conversation pretty irrelevant.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I never said they can't beat Britain in that one game. I think it's extremely unlikely they can win promotion because they need at least 8 of remaining 9 points. And GB needed to score 1 goal in the third to win the game in OT/SO. They just happened to score a lot more.

But this "they had to do this they had to do that", "outshot by Netherlands", stats, yada yada yada is downright silly. I can tell you one fun stat: Korea has scored one even strength goal in the tournament. One. 1. Does that mean anything?

they gave up 2 and were down by 1 going into it so they needed 4 to win it in regulation which seems to be important to you since you keep mentioning how Korea has already lost a point.

Again, I'm not saying that I expect Korea to promote or anything, you just said that there doesn't seem to be a team that can challenge GBR. I disagree, Korea can. Sure they probably need to win their other games which is no guarantee, and then beat the Brits on top of that. But challenging GBR, and certainly beating them for promotion is 2 completely different things. We can spew stats all day, and it doesn't matter. Obviously I think it's far more likely than you think it is. We can just leave it at that.

 

[SoundAndFury]

they gave up 2 and were down by 1 going into it so they needed 4 to win it in regulation which seems to be important to you since you keep mentioning how Korea has already lost a point.

Again, I'm not saying that I expect Korea to promote or anything, you just said that there doesn't seem to be a team that can challenge GBR. I disagree, Korea can. Sure they probably need to win their other games which is no guarantee, and then beat the Brits on top of that. But challenging GBR, and certainly beating them for promotion is 2 completely different things. We can spew stats all day, and it doesn't matter. Obviously I think it's far more likely than you think it is. We can just leave it at that.

Going by your logic a team which thrashes opponents 7-3 stinks because they need 4 goals to win. Ok....

And you think Korea can because you think Korea can. Your opinion is based on nothing but your opinion. Well, good for you.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Going by your logic a team which thrashes opponents 7-3 stinks because they need 4 goals to win. Ok....

And you think Korea can because you think Korea can. Your opinion is based on nothing but your opinion. Well, good for you.

Well 1st, I didn't say "they stink", how do you not get that? I'm saying they're not dominating, so it's dumb to say a team can't challenge them.
Sure if they were winning games 5-0 every time, outshooting the opponents 50-10, yeah I don't like anyone's chance at beating them. But they're not. And yes, reading the box score and watching the game are 2 different things. That doesn't mean you can't get anything from the boxscore alone.

2nd, If they had 0 goals going into the 3rd then yes, that would not be a good sign. Scoring 4 goals in a 3rd period when you had 0 or 1 entering that period isn't exactly a likely scenario. It happened, but I wouldn't be overly confident entering future games knowing you only won by 1 last game when you scored 4 times in the 3rd.

and 3rd my opinion is formed from looking at the boxscore. Sure, it's not that great of a source, but it's not completely meaningless. You could look at the Oilers record and say wow, that's not a very good team without watching the games. It's not an end all, but it can help gain some idea.

If you want to generate discussion in here formed only by people who watch every game you're not going to get much. And lower levels of hockey certainly isn't going to get much exposure if every person who glances at a box score gets told their opinion is trash unless the watch every game.

But I'm sure every person who comments on the government has a political science degree, and everyone who comments on a illness or disease is a certified doctor? No, people comment on thing without thorough knowledge of everything involved. That's not a bad thing, and doesn't mean everything they say needs to be immediately discredited because hey, your opinion is based on nothing but your opinion.

I don't know why you can' just say, fine, you think Korea can beat them. I don't. And end it right there. For some reason you think continually telling me that I'm an idiot because I didn't watch the games is a good idea. You do realize this s a forum right?

 

[IIHFjerseycollector]

Go Korea.

 

[3 Minute Minor]

Canada4Gold you're way out of your element. It was obvious when you said "Britain" and "GBR" but the longer your posts, the worse it gets.

My mom has access to the boxscores but if she read them and posted her uneducated opinion about them, it wouldn't add anything valuable to the conversation. It would just be an uneducated opinion.

 

[tony d]

Always nice to hear about these lower level countries and see how they're doing at the Division II and III tournaments.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Leaving flame wars behind and talking about a bit more interesting stuff, Samuel Duggan has 1 goal and is -2 in the first two matches. I didn't really pay much attention to what matchups he was getting, maybe they are tough shutdown ones but it's kind of underwhelming result for him.

Also, considering solid MHL-B Lithuanians are doing well above PPG in the tournament, it seems like MHL-B is quite far ahead of Swedish J18 Elit in quality. I wasn't too sure about that (although it definitely makes sense) and it's really good to know since I previously considered MHL-B level to be kind of useless. Now it turns out if you are U18 player and doing well in that league you really can play and gives a lot of hope that Ilja Četvertak can indeed become a solid pro.

 

[garbageteam]

Where are you guys getting streams for these games from? I'll assume only the GBR ones have a chance in hell of having English announcers

 

[3 Minute Minor]

Where are you guys getting streams for these games from? I'll assume only the GBR ones have a chance in hell of having English announcers

You can pay here:
http://play.streamingvideoprovider....gcolor1=#ffffff&bgcolor2=#e0e0e0#clip=1216574

people have been finding free ones though.

There commentator has very broken English but the GB game had an English guy with him.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Oh and on the lesser related note just in case anybody's following Pročenko's career, he just started practicing after pretty serious injury like a week ago so that explains why he probably won't do super-well in this tournament. Hopefully he will be in full force again in the U18 championship.

 

[stv11]

Please stop the flame wars and keep the thread about the tournaments.

Thanks.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Stream for the games. And, so much for those Korean chances, huh.

 

[3 Minute Minor]

GB need 2 of 3 to clinch the gold.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Well, this Duggan goal was the perfect example of what we were talking about yesterday. A player of his skill should be able to just walk in and make the difference.

 

[Namejs]

Korea 1-5 Lithuania

A surprise? Nope.

 

[3 Minute Minor]

GB isn't bad enough to have to put Duggan in the role of primary offensive threat as a 16 year old.

Not a big fan of this much line juggling.

 

[Namejs]

By the way, it's a bit weird that Rutkis decided to play for Team GB, considering that he also has a Latvian citizenship and he probably could've had a realistic shot at making the Latvian U-18 national team, which plays at the Elite tier.

I mean, playing at the WJC is probably the only way of getting spotted by some NHL scouts when you're playing in UK.