Dishing the Dirt

[ResilientBeast]

The thing about international play is that you aren't locked into any players. You can pick you you want. No 13 year contracts at the Olympics.

If having Ovechkin means your team is locked into a certain style and coaching tactics - and if those tactics are not conducive to winning - you have to ask if you want Ovechkin playing a major role on your team. Even if you disagree with the conclusions it's an important question.

I agree with that, but if Ovechkin's style of play will force you to completely change your tactics. Then that speaks to how homogenous the Russian team is.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Just came across this regarding Pat Egan:

Mr. Egan was credited by hockey historians as inventing the modern day slap shot.

Source

Does anyone know the basis for this?

I have read in more than one place that he had possibly the hardest shot in the league at the time but I hadn't ever heard he was actually the guy to innovate the slap shot in the first place.. I thought that modern iteration was generally credited to Boom Boom.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Just came across this regarding Pat Egan:


Source

Does anyone know the basis for this?

I have read in more than one place that he had possibly the hardest shot in the league at the time but I hadn't ever heard he was actually the guy to innovate the slap shot in the first place.. I thought that modern iteration was generally credited to Boom Boom.

It certainly seems questionable. I've seen both Charlie Conacher and Boom Boom credited with inventing the slap shot.

Edit: The sentence immediately afterwards says "He was elected into both the NHL and the AHL Halls of Fame and played in two NHL All-Star games." I have no idea what the NHL Hall of Fame is, but if they mean the Hockey Hall of Fame, Egan is not a member.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Edit: The sentence immediately afterwards says "He was elected into both the NHL and the AHL Halls of Fame and played in two NHL All-Star games." I have no idea what the NHL Hall of Fame is, but if they mean the Hockey Hall of Fame, Egan is not a member.

Yeah that is obviously wrong.. I don't think he is even in the AHL hall of fame. Just the Springfield one -- and that is as a Builder.

I might have to dig into the slapshot thing some and see if I can find anything. That would certainly be a bit of a feather in his cap.

 

[Rob Scuderi]

I've read articles from his death saying Alex Shibicky was the first player to use a slap shot in a game and that he learned it in practice from Bun Cook. I don't think I've seen a primary source for it though.

 

[BraveCanadian]

I've read articles from his death saying Alex Shibicky was the first player to use a slap shot in a game and that he learned it in practice from Bun Cook. I don't think I've seen a primary source for it though.

I think everyone invented it haha

 

[Rob Scuderi]

I think everyone invented it haha

Exactly it's like curved sticks

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Long SI article written by Ken Dryden (and Mark Mulvoy) in 1973 about the 1972 Summit Series.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1087185/index.htm

It's written in diary form:

AUGUST 12: Judging from the attitude of the people I have encountered the past few days, if we don't win this series 8-0 it will be a black mark for Canada. The newspapers, the television, the radio, the people in the street all say it has to be eight straight. Anyone who dares suggest that Canada might lose a game to the Russians becomes an instant outcast. We must not only win eight straight, but by big scores. Millions of Canadians are convinced that the Russians are villains, interlopers with the gall and the audacity to challenge us at our own game.

 

[Ben Grimm]

Exactly it's like curved sticks

We know who invented curved sticks.

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

Al Gore?

 

[Rob Scuderi]

We know who invented curved sticks.

People say Mikita did, but Joe Pelletier has a post about it.
http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com/2009/03/who-invented-curved-stick.html

 

[seventieslord]

High praise for Eddie Oatman!

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...MRXAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LPQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4577,2270142

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...npGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nCgDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1512,4365539

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...wYeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=3VUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4048,1647903

I wasn't even researching him, he just kept coming up.

 

[nik jr]

i found the game where cyclone taylor scored backwards. it was an exhibition game between renfrew and ottawa. renfrew won 17-2.

TAYLOR SCORES BACKWARD
Renfrew, on the other hand, all played magnificent hockey. The team had made every preparation for this game and it was quite evident that they were out to rub it in as hard as it was possible to do so. Fred Taylor not only starred throughout against his former teammates but made good in the second half on his promise to score a goal while skating backwards. Taylor got the goal on a pass from Lester Patrick turning when going at full speed and hoisting a swift one into the corner of the Ottawa nets. He got two others as well.

Lalonde spitting tobacco into a goalie's face. i've heard this done by a different player.

Trent Frayne, who has been around hockey longer than the red line, tells of hockey players who thought they were doing the coach's bidding by laying off the hard liquor -- and had a dozen beers before the game.

He relates an anecdote about the famous Newsy Lalonde coming in on goal and cracking the goaltender Jakie Forbes squarely on the nose with a right hand and drawing a good deal of blood. Later in the game, Lalonde had another breakaway. As he moved in, out came Forbes, his goalie stick held over his shoulder like an axe, ready to settle the score with Lalonde.

Lalonde was ready. With remarkable accuracy, he let go a stream of tobacco juice that caught the unfortunate Forbes right in the face. He then calmly pushed the puck past the spluttering goaltender into the net.

page 24 top right

 

[GFS]

i found the game where cyclone taylor scored backwards. it was an exhibition game between renfrew and ottawa. renfrew won 17-2.

On Joe Pelletier's page, it says:

In fact many claimed to have seen him score a goal while skating backwards. When asked about this Cyclone replied by saying, "No, I never did score a goal while skating backwards. I know there are a lot of elderly people in Ontario today who would swear they saw it happen. But it's just one of those stories that was blown up."

So did he really score a goal backwards, or is it just a legend?

 

[jarek]

On Joe Pelletier's page, it says:



So did he really score a goal backwards, or is it just a legend?

The article nik posted was a post-game recap, no? I'd like to believe that they weren't just making something up, and it's entirely possible that Taylor forgot about it given that it was just an exhibition game.

 

[GFS]

The article nik posted was a post-game recap, no? I'd like to believe that they weren't just making something up, and it's entirely possible that Taylor forgot about it given that it was just an exhibition game.

Yeah, that makes sense. But I find it hard to believe that one can forget scoring such a spectacular goal even if it was in an exhibition game. I guess stranger things have happened.

 

[jarek]

Yeah, that makes sense. But I find it hard to believe that one can forget scoring such a spectacular goal even if it was in an exhibition game. I guess stranger things have happened.

Who knows man. What was the context of the interview in the Pelletier bio? Who did the interview? Etc.

Typically I'll believe a player when he says something but here we have a newspaper account that chronicled the goal. It's difficult to imagine why Taylor would downplay it if it actually happened.

 

[GFS]

Who knows man. What was the context of the interview in the Pelletier bio? Who did the interview? Etc.

Typically I'll believe a player when he says something but here we have a newspaper account that chronicled the goal. It's difficult to imagine why Taylor would downplay it if it actually happened.

It's from one of Joe's standard bio writeups. The link can be found here: http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com/2006/04/cyclone-taylor.html.

Unfortunately, he doesn't give sources for his articles, so we don't know how credible his info is. This is not the first time I have read contradicting info from his site compared to other sites like legendsofhockey.net.

 

[jarek]

It's from one of Joe's standard bio writeups. The link can be found here: http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com/2006/04/cyclone-taylor.html.

Unfortunately, he doesn't give sources for his articles, so we don't know how credible his info is. This is not the first time I have read contradicting info from his site compared to other sites like legendsofhockey.net

I mean this part:

When asked about this Cyclone replied by saying, "No, I never did score a goal while skating backwards. I know there are a lot of elderly people in Ontario today who would swear they saw it happen. But it's just one of those stories that was blown up."

Who interviewed him? When? What was the actual question asked? Etc.

 

[GFS]

I mean this part:



Who interviewed him? When? What was the actual question asked? Etc.

Joe Pelletier doesn't mention that information in his article, so it's hard to say how reliable that quote is.

 

[nik jr]

So did he really score a goal backwards, or is it just a legend?

that article is a game report. page 8: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=QBJtjoHflPwC&dat=19100309&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

 

[jarek]

Joe Pelletier doesn't mention that information in his article, so it's hard to say how reliable that quote is.

In this case, then, I'll take the side of the game report I think. Not that Pelletier isn't credible, just that without the proper context or sources, it's difficult to justify believing that over an actual game report from the newspaper of the day.

 

[GFS]

that article is a game report. page 8: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=QBJtjoHflPwC&dat=19100309&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

Your source is quite reliable, so we can conclude that yes, he did score a goal backwards.

Edit:

In this case, then, I'll take the side of the game report I think. Not that Pelletier isn't credible, just that without the proper context or sources, it's difficult to justify believing that over an actual game report from the newspaper of the day.

I agree.

 

[seventieslord]

I am not 100% sure anymore where I read this, but given some time I may be able to dig it up. Taylor confirmed that he didn't skate through the whole team backwards and score skating backwards, but he did deke the whole team and then spun backwards at the very end, before shooting.

 

[jarek]

I am not 100% sure anymore where I read this, but given some time I may be able to dig it up. Taylor confirmed that he didn't skate through the whole team backwards and score skating backwards, but he did deke the whole team and then spun backwards at the very end, before shooting.

Looking at the newspaper more closely, it did not actually mention that he skated the entire length of the ice backwards. Just that he turned backwards when he shot the puck.