Prospect Info: Did we find a gem in Martin Marincin?

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Stu's first non-1st rounder worth a damn?

Good thing for us is Gernat has a better skillset than Marincin....remains to be seen how he transitions to the NHL in a couple of seasons.

Could make a strong argument that our young kids on the backend matchup with any organization with Ekblad.

Ekblad, Nurse, Klefbom, Gernat, Musil, Marincin.
 

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Marincin played pretty well last night, although he made a bad pinch on the Legwand goal. He seems composed and confident which is good.
 

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He's only been rushed a year at most maybe. 2 years older than the rushed Smid (we killed his offensive completely).

He appeared raw in the AHL games I've seen and am happy with his overall progression.
 

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Stu's first non-1st rounder worth a damn?

Good thing for us is Gernat has a better skillset than Marincin....remains to be seen how he transitions to the NHL in a couple of seasons.

Could make a strong argument that our young kids on the backend matchup with any organization with Ekblad.

Ekblad, Nurse, Klefbom, Gernat, Musil, Marincin.

Pitlick also seems like a gamer. 2010 draft didn't look as bad as people thought.
 

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He's only been rushed a year at most maybe. 2 years older than the rushed Smid (we killed his offensive completely).

He appeared raw in the AHL games I've seen and am happy with his overall progression.

Smid had 6 points in 88 games before even coming to North America. Him not having any offence now has more to do with his lack of natural ability than the Oilers organization sucking it out of him.
 

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Marincin played pretty well last night, although he made a bad pinch on the Legwand goal. He seems composed and confident which is good.

He also jumped into the rush beautifully on Yaks goal which dummied the Dman into leaving Yak open.

He's a rookie, so you take the good with the bad. He's been a bright spot for the Oilers this season for sure though.

Pitlick also seems like a gamer. 2010 draft didn't look as bad as people thought.

Most of those picks are just becoming third year pros. The unreal expectations from some people are absurd.
 

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Pitlick also seems like a gamer. 2010 draft didn't look as bad as people thought.

People just expect too much from draft picks because the Oilers development system has been so fubarred for so long they think if a player isn't in the NHL right away they won't ever make it because that's the way it's been for so long.

Really though for defensemen and bottom 6 type forwards 4 years after they're drafted is probably right on target to start getting into some NHL games unless they're some kind of anomaly.
 

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Oilers have already dumped some guys like Martindale and I imagine Curtis Hamilton and Cameron Abney will be another pair shortly.

I don't think you have to give everyone 5 years to see if they have what it takes. There should be something there in the first few years or else you really have to move on to greener pastures (other draft picks).
 

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we should send justin schultz down . notice how all players coming up through todd nelson's system seem to mostly work there ***** off up here? maybe we need him as an assistant up here

Schultz won't be going down, he doesn't really deserve to either. I don't think it really has much to do about Nelson as it does the guys that come up from the AHL are grateful for the chance and are worried about going back to OKC. It's something Hall, Eberle, RNH, Gagner, Yak, Schultz etc.. never had to deal with.

We keep hearing about how players need to be responsible for themselves, but without any consequences the guys above seem to be not too concerned and just do what they want.
 

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Marincin played pretty well last night, although he made a bad pinch on the Legwand goal. He seems composed and confident which is good.

It wasn't even that he made the pinch that bothered me. It's that he only sort of pinched. If you're going to go for the puck, go for it. Don't get part way and then rethink it. Then you don't get the puck (or at least put pressure on) AND you're out of position. But hey, it was still a good overall game by him
 

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Oilers have already dumped some guys like Martindale and I imagine Curtis Hamilton and Cameron Abney will be another pair shortly.

I would hate to see Hamilton getting traded. We have been waiting for him for many years and he has finally turned things around in Oklahoma. Prior to his injury he was great and I was expecting him to make his NHL debut but he wouldn't be an Oiler if he didn't get injured just when things started to look good for him.
 

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Marincin has played 16 games. In those games the Oilers are 51.6% Corsi with him on the ice and 39.3% with him off the ice. He has heavy d-zone starts and he commonly plays against top-2 lines. It's ridiculous how good Marincin has been.

Marincin with Petry: 54.0%
Marincin w/o Petry: 44.4%

Belov with Petry: 57.1%
Belov w/o Petry: 45.0%

We've seen this story before. I've liked Marincin's play, he's a good puck mover, and he's calm with the puck. But the 'ridiculous' Corsi, I'm putting little stock in until he plays more without Petry.

I think the biggest thing Marincin's Corsi tells us, is that Petry should always be paired with a fellow puck mover and not a stay at home guy (Ference and N. Schultz dont see a big jump paired with him)...or that Corsi may not be a reliable stat when you have two puck movers on a pairing.
 

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Honestly, if Curtis Hamilton doesn't have a great post-draft WHL season and make the world junior team....is he already out the door?

Dude has done nothing since.

Injuries have been a problem for him but if you listen to Nelsons comments about him this season in OKC he's come a long way. Had a good 5 game point streak going before he injured a knee. Already at his career season totals. Another player that the Oilers shouldn't give up on too soon.
 

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Marincin with Petry: 54.0%
Marincin w/o Petry: 44.4%

Belov with Petry: 57.1%
Belov w/o Petry: 45.0%

We've seen this story before. I've liked Marincin's play, he's a good puck mover, and he's calm with the puck. But the 'ridiculous' Corsi, I'm putting little stock in until he plays more without Petry.

I think the biggest thing Marincin's Corsi tells us, is that Petry should always be paired with a fellow puck mover and not a stay at home guy (Ference and N. Schultz dont see a big jump paired with him)...or that Corsi may not be a reliable stat when you have two puck movers on a pairing.

I like Marincin and Petry as a pairing, and J Schultz and Ference as a pairing.
 

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Marincin with Petry: 54.0%
Marincin w/o Petry: 44.4%

Belov with Petry: 57.1%
Belov w/o Petry: 45.0%

We've seen this story before. I've liked Marincin's play, he's a good puck mover, and he's calm with the puck. But the 'ridiculous' Corsi, I'm putting little stock in until he plays more without Petry.

I think the biggest thing Marincin's Corsi tells us, is that Petry should always be paired with a fellow puck mover and not a stay at home guy (Ference and N. Schultz dont see a big jump paired with him)...or that Corsi may not be a reliable stat when you have two puck movers on a pairing.

Unless it's telling us that having two puckmovers on a pairing is a GREAT idea. Which makes more sense to me. I understand having roles can be good but if you know you partner can pass as well it takes A LOT of pressure off while opening up options that aren't there for a pairing of a slick puck mover and a grenade tosser.
 

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Part of me wants Oil to find a good bottom pairing guy because IMO if we find a decent free agent who can move the puck and is a LEFT SHOT he will take Ference spot with JSchultz at the top. Larsen had numbers maybe for the bottom pair he's OK. Is he still injured or whatever?

I predict:

Some guy - Schultz
Marincin - Petry
Ference - Some guy
Belov

If Marincin keeps his play up, there is no reason for him not to be our second pairing left shot. But Ference becomes the new (but better) Nick Schultz.
 
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Part of me wants Oil to find a good bottom pairing guy because IMO if we find a decent free agent who can move the puck and is a LEFT SHOT he will take Ference spot with JSchultz at the top.

If the Oil don't call up Klefbom for a taste of NHL action this season and play him with J. Schultz, I'll be disappointed.
 

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If the Oil don't call up Klefbom for a taste of NHL action this season and play him with J. Schultz, I'll be disappointed.

OKC lost 9-3 the other night and he was +1. He's been getting really good on the stats line lately. I haven't watched so no idea how he is performing on that front.
 

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Stu's first non-1st rounder worth a damn?

Good thing for us is Gernat has a better skillset than Marincin....remains to be seen how he transitions to the NHL in a couple of seasons.

Could make a strong argument that our young kids on the backend matchup with any organization with Ekblad.

Ekblad, Nurse, Klefbom, Gernat, Musil, Marincin.

Dillon Simpson is a better player than Musil. Much, much better chance of being a NHL player.

I will say that given that most later round players end up, if they're going to help, not as top pairing defenders or first line forwards but middle six forwards and 3-5 defencemen, that's it's worth bearing in mind that it takes some time to get those players to arrive.

If you're a future star or first line player, then you're much more likely to be able to handle second or third line duties immediately before you fully arrive. That's why Hall plays right away, Eberle arrives at twenty. Granted, it took Hall a couple years to become a star and Eberle established himself fairly quickly as a first line player, but those players arrive early.

But when you're picking a player like Lander, well, it takes some time for the guy to get his foot in the door when his upside is a third line player. There's less margin of error for him to still be a NHL quality player before he fully develops. I think he's going to be a third line centre, and I think he's a worthy fourth line player now. But this is coming up on his fifth year after his draft. It... takes some time.

This is a roundabout way of saying... it's not like they're off-track. They aren't. But I think we're so used to a new hot-shot prospect arriving immediately, or close to immediately after the draft, that we have unrealistic expectations for timelines for prospects chosen in the second round or later.
 

Summary

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If the Oil don't call up Klefbom for a taste of NHL action this season and play him with J. Schultz, I'll be disappointed.

Prepare to be disappointed most likely, not that I disagree we just never end up seeing the pairs we expect for any amount of time.

You'd think with the massive line shuffling on the Oilers that we'd have seen our 1st overalls together at some point. But I've been waiting for it almost a full year and not even a glimpse. I just think it'd be cool and they might even be good together (they were fine in their own zone pre-swarm)

Holding out hope it'll happen before Yak is sent packing
 

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