The young Team USA doesn't appreciate your idea that they didn't send their best.
What the hell does "gloating about beat" mean in any human language anyway.
Did the US just miss out on the Olympic Gold?
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What the hell does "gloating about beat" mean in any human language anyway.
Panthaz89
Buffalo Sabres, Carolina Panthers fan
Well they didn't back in the 2000s so nobody could care much about whether they those players thought they were the best or not.
I think It was the European teams time to shine, including some historically lower tier teams to possibly make a run.
Panthaz89
Buffalo Sabres, Carolina Panthers fan
The only other teams that even contemplate half their team is Canada and Russia because all 3 tend to have a massive pool of players to pick from but still the U.S seems to make a lot of questionable no logic choices to add to their roster.
Is that what you're worried about? I mean, there's no strength in numbers, but sometimes the team Finland is small. For perspective.
The first best on best Olympics was 1998. And USA has sent their best available players like others have. They don't have a great record, certainly nothing like Canada or Finland and also short of Russia and Sweden.
USA can certainly win, but there's no good reason to think they would be favorites against SWE, RUS, FIN, CAN.
Panthaz89
Buffalo Sabres, Carolina Panthers fan
The U.S would be favorites easily against Finland they have the weakest roster of the 5 all around. Sweden and Russia are much better than Finland and Canada is easily at the top. Why the hell would people care a game 10+ years ago when one team has a better roster NOW.
Rabid Ranger
2 is better than one
The U.S has two silvers in that time frame. I think that's pretty comparable to the other top hockey playing nations.
That might be true by whatever criteria you are choosing to use. Your own ranking based on name recognition or something?
IIHF ranks countries according to results in adult and Jr tournaments. Finland is 2nd and USA 4th at the moment. I don't know if there has been a time where USA would have been ranked higher. Finland also has more best on best olympics success.
You don't watch international tournaments or what? Even if you thought the USA roster was better on paper, Finland always overperforms expectations because the expectations are ignorant. They have a system, style and buy in to that system. They're prepared and organized. USA has been the favorite against Finland on paper every time in best on best. This time in my opinion Finland would have been the favorite by roster too. With the advantage in system, and gains they have made since last best on best, that would be a hard team for anyone to beat.
Russia never consistently gets it together or they would be Canada's biggest threat.
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Switzerland?
Or what did you mean? The historically now lower teams, with teams at all, used to be teams capable of upsetting anyone outside the final game.
I still remember Erich Kuhnhackl of Team Germany on the rampage. Stuff to give you nightmares.
Edit: I just realized how it was a poor word choice. Thank you some people for letting me know. Sure shouldn't have said rampage or nightmares without explaining it was hockey. Thanks again very many.
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USA was a contender for Gold, not an overwhelming favorite to walk away with the prize. Just one of four contenders in a group with Canada, the Finns and the Swedes.
To settle this, NHL/NHLPA should immediately organize a 8 game border clash summit series between Canada and the U.S. to be held in Sept. '22.
To settle this, NHL/NHLPA should immediately organize a 8 game border clash summit series between Canada and the U.S. to be held in Sept. '22.
This US team lost 0-5 to Finland last Olympics. This was the absolutely best team USA could ice:
| David Backes | F | 6-3 (191) | 221 (100) | 5/1/1984 | R | Minneapolis, Minn. | St. Louis Blues (NHL) | Minnesota State-Mankato (WCHA) |
| Dustin Brown | F | 6-0 (183) | 212 (96) | 11/4/1984 | L | Ithaca, N.Y. | Los Angeles Kings (NHL) | -- |
| Ryan Callahan | F | 5-11 (180) | 180 (82) | 3/21/1985 | R | Rochester, N.Y. | New York Rangers (NHL) | -- |
| John Carlson | D | 6-3 (191) | 212 (96) | 1/10/1990 | R | Colonia, N.J. | Washington Capitals (NHL) | -- |
| Justin Faulk | D | 6-0 (183) | 215 (98) | 3/20/1992 | R | South St. Paul, Minn. | Carolina Hurricanes (NHL) | Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth (WCHA) |
| Cam Fowler | D | 6-1 (185) | 196 (89) | 3/5/1991 | L | Farmington Hills, Mich. | Anaheim Ducks (NHL) | -- |
| Jimmy Howard | G | 6-0 (183) | 218 (88) | 3/26/1984 | L | Syracuse, N.Y. | Detroit Red Wings (NHL) | Univ. of Maine (HEA) |
| Patrick Kane | F | 5-11 (180) | 181 (82) | 11/19/1988 | L | Buffalo, N.Y. | Chicago Blackhawks (NHL) | -- |
| Ryan Kesler | F | 6-2 (188) | 202 (92) | 8/31/1984 | R | Livonia, Mich. | Vancouver Canucks (NHL) | Ohio State Univ. (CCHA) |
| Phil Kessel | F | 6-0 (183) | 183 (82) | 10/2/1987 | R | Madison, Wis. | Toronto Maple Leafs (NHL) | Univ. of Minnesota (WCHA) |
| Paul Martin | D | 6-1 (185) | 200 (91) | 3/5/1981 | L | Minneapolis, Minn. | Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL) | Univ. of Minnesota (WCHA) |
| Ryan McDonagh | D | 6-1 (185) | 213 (97) | 6/13/1989 | L | St. Paul, Minn. | New York Rangers (NHL) | Univ. of Wisconsin (WCHA) |
| Ryan Miller | G | 6-2 (188) | 175 (79) | 7/17/1980 | L | East Lansing, Mich. | Buffalo Sabres (NHL) | Michigan State Univ. (CCHA) |
| Brooks Orpik | D | 6-2 (188) | 219 (99) | 9/26/1980 | L | San Francisco, Calif. | Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL) | Boston College (HEA) |
| T.J. Oshie | F | 5-11 (180) | 189 (86) | 12/23/1986 | R | Warroad, Minn. | St. Louis Blues (NHL) | Univ. of North Dakota (WCHA) |
| Max Pacioretty | F | 6-2 (188) | 219 (99) | 11/20/1988 | L | New Canaan, Conn. | Montreal Canadiens (NHL) | Univ. of Michigan (CCHA) |
| Zach Parise | F | 5-11 (180) | 190 (86) | 7/28/1984 | L | Minneapolis, Minn. | Minnesota Wild (NHL) | Univ. of North Dakota (WCHA) |
| Joe Pavelski | F | 5-11 (180) | 190 (86) | 7/11/1984 | R | Plover, Wis. | San Jose Sharks (NHL) | Univ. of Wisconsin (WCHA) |
| Jonathan Quick | G | 6-1 (185) | 218 (86) | 1/21/1986 | L | Mildford, Conn. | Los Angeles Kings (NHL) | Univ. of Mass-Amherst (HEA) |
| Kevin Shattenkirk | D | 5-11 (180) | 207 (94) | 1/29/1989 | R | New Rochelle, N.Y. | St. Louis Blues (NHL) | Boston Univ. (HEA) |
| Paul Stastny | F | 6-0 (183) | 205 (93) | 12/27/1985 | L | St. Louis, Mo. | Colorado Avalanche (NHL) | Univ. of Denver (WCHA) |
| Derek Stepan | F | 6-0 (183) | 196 (90) | 6/18/1990 | R | Hastings, Minn. | New York Rangers (NHL) | Univ. of Wisconsin (WCHA) |
| Ryan Suter | D | 6-1 (185) | 198 (90) | 1/21/1985 | L | Madison, Wis. | Minnesota Wild (NHL) | Univ. of Wisconsin (WCHA) |
| James van Riemsdyk | F | 6-3 (191) | 200 (91) | 5/4/1989 | L | Middletown, N.J. | Toronto Maple Leafs (NHL) | Univ. of New Hampshire (HEA) |
| Blake Wheeler | F | 6-5 (198) | 205 (93) | 8/31/1986 |
This was Finland:
| 3 | D | Olli Määttä | 187 cm (6 ft 2 in) | 89 kg (196 lb) | 22 August 1994 | Jyväskylä |  Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL) |
| 4 | D | Ossi Väänänen | 191 cm (6 ft 3 in) | 99 kg (218 lb) | 18 August 1980 | Vantaa |  Jokerit (Liiga) |
| 5 | D | Lasse Kukkonen | 183 cm (6 ft 0 in) | 85 kg (187 lb) | 18 September 1981 | Oulu | Oulun Kärpät (Liiga) |
| 6 | D | Sami Salo | 190 cm (6 ft 3 in) | 93 kg (205 lb) | 2 September 1974 | Turku | Tampa Bay Lightning (NHL) |
| 8 | F | Teemu Selänne – C | 182 cm (6 ft 0 in) | 91 kg (201 lb) | 3 July 1970 | Helsinki | Anaheim Ducks (NHL) |
| 12 | F | Olli Jokinen | 187 cm (6 ft 2 in) | 91 kg (201 lb) | 5 December 1978 | Kuopio |  Winnipeg Jets (NHL) |
| 15 | F | Tuomo Ruutu | 182 cm (6 ft 0 in) | 89 kg (196 lb) | 16 February 1983 | Vantaa | Carolina Hurricanes (NHL) |
| 16 | F | Aleksander Barkov | 190 cm (6 ft 3 in) | 91 kg (201 lb) | 2 September 1995 | Tampere | Florida Panthers (NHL) |
| 18 | D | Sami Lepistö | 186 cm (6 ft 1 in) | 85 kg (187 lb) | 17 October 1984 | Espoo |  Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg (KHL) |
| 21 | F | Jori Lehterä | 187 cm (6 ft 2 in) | 97 kg (214 lb) | 23 December 1987 | Helsinki | HC Sibir Novosibirsk (KHL) |
| 23 | F | Sakari Salminen | 177 cm (5 ft 10 in) | 75 kg (165 lb) | 31 May 1988 | Pori | Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod (KHL) |
| 26 | F | Jarkko Immonen | 182 cm (6 ft 0 in) | 90 kg (200 lb) | 19 April 1982 | Rantasalmi | Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod (KHL) |
| 27 | F | Petri Kontiola | 182 cm (6 ft 0 in) | 92 kg (203 lb) | 4 October 1984 | Seinäjoki | Traktor Chelyabinsk (KHL) |
| 28 | F | Lauri Korpikoski | 185 cm (6 ft 1 in) | 88 kg (194 lb) | 28 July 1986 | Turku | Phoenix Coyotes (NHL) |
| 31 | G | Antti Niemi | 187 cm (6 ft 2 in) | 91 kg (201 lb) | 29 August 1983 | Vantaa | San Jose Sharks (NHL) |
| 32 | G | Kari Lehtonen | 193 cm (6 ft 4 in) | 91 kg (201 lb) | 16 November 1983 | Helsinki | Dallas Stars (NHL) |
| 36 | F | Jussi Jokinen | 181 cm (5 ft 11 in) | 86 kg (190 lb) | 1 April 1983 | Kalajoki | Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL) |
| 38 | D | Juuso Hietanen | 180 cm (5 ft 11 in) | 85 kg (187 lb) | 14 June 1985 | Hämeenlinna | Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod (KHL) |
| 40 | G | Tuukka Rask | 187 cm (6 ft 2 in) | 90 kg (200 lb) | 10 March 1987 | Savonlinna | Boston Bruins (NHL) |
| 41 | F | Antti Pihlström | 180 cm (5 ft 11 in) | 82 kg (181 lb) | 22 October 1984 | Vantaa | Salavat Yulaev Ufa (KHL) |
| 44 | D | Kimmo Timonen – A | 177 cm (5 ft 10 in) | 84 kg (185 lb) | 18 March 1975 | Kuopio | Philadelphia Flyers (NHL) |
| 45 | D | Sami Vatanen | 177 cm (5 ft 10 in) | 79 kg (174 lb) | 3 June 1991 | Jyväskylä | Anaheim Ducks (NHL) |
| 50 | F | Juhamatti Aaltonen | 184 cm (6 ft 0 in) | 85 kg (187 lb) | 4 June 1985 | Ii | Oulun Kärpät (Liiga) |
| 64 | F | Mikael Granlund | 179 cm (5 ft 10 in) | 83 kg (183 lb) | 26 February 1992 | Oulu | Minnesota Wild (NHL) |
| 71 | F | Leo Komarov – A | 180 cm (5 ft 11 in) | 90 kg (200 lb) | 23 January 1987 | Narva, Soviet Union | HC Dynamo Moscow (KHL) |
I know this is a lousy excuse what north americans usually use, but it was a bronze medal game. I believe that our team was more eager to win it than USA.
Unfortunately, those tables get mangled when you're reading on a phone. Better not used.This US team lost 0-5 to Finland last Olympics. This was the absolutely best team USA could ice:
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David Backes F 6-3 (191) 221 (100) 5/1/1984 R Minneapolis, Minn. St. Louis Blues (NHL) Minnesota State-Mankato (WCHA) Dustin Brown F 6-0 (183) 212 (96) 11/4/1984 L Ithaca, N.Y. Los Angeles Kings (NHL) -- Ryan Callahan F 5-11 (180) 180 (82) 3/21/1985 R Rochester, N.Y. New York Rangers (NHL) -- John Carlson D 6-3 (191) 212 (96) 1/10/1990 R Colonia, N.J. Washington Capitals (NHL) -- Justin Faulk D 6-0 (183) 215 (98) 3/20/1992 R South St. Paul, Minn. Carolina Hurricanes (NHL) Univ. of Minnesota-Duluth (WCHA) Cam Fowler D 6-1 (185) 196 (89) 3/5/1991 L Farmington Hills, Mich. Anaheim Ducks (NHL) -- Jimmy Howard G 6-0 (183) 218 (88) 3/26/1984 L Syracuse, N.Y. Detroit Red Wings (NHL) Univ. of Maine (HEA) Patrick Kane F 5-11 (180) 181 (82) 11/19/1988 L Buffalo, N.Y. Chicago Blackhawks (NHL) -- Ryan Kesler F 6-2 (188) 202 (92) 8/31/1984 R Livonia, Mich. Vancouver Canucks (NHL) Ohio State Univ. (CCHA) Phil Kessel F 6-0 (183) 183 (82) 10/2/1987 R Madison, Wis. Toronto Maple Leafs (NHL) Univ. of Minnesota (WCHA) Paul Martin D 6-1 (185) 200 (91) 3/5/1981 L Minneapolis, Minn. Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL) Univ. of Minnesota (WCHA) Ryan McDonagh D 6-1 (185) 213 (97) 6/13/1989 L St. Paul, Minn. New York Rangers (NHL) Univ. of Wisconsin (WCHA) Ryan Miller G 6-2 (188) 175 (79) 7/17/1980 L East Lansing, Mich. Buffalo Sabres (NHL) Michigan State Univ. (CCHA) Brooks Orpik D 6-2 (188) 219 (99) 9/26/1980 L San Francisco, Calif. Pittsburgh Penguins (NHL) Boston College (HEA) T.J. Oshie F 5-11 (180) 189 (86) 12/23/1986 R Warroad, Minn. St. Louis Blues (NHL) Univ. of North Dakota (WCHA) Max Pacioretty F 6-2 (188) 219 (99) 11/20/1988 L New Canaan, Conn. Montreal Canadiens (NHL) Univ. of Michigan (CCHA) Zach Parise F 5-11 (180) 190 (86) 7/28/1984 L Minneapolis, Minn. Minnesota Wild (NHL) Univ. of North Dakota (WCHA) Joe Pavelski F 5-11 (180) 190 (86) 7/11/1984 R Plover, Wis. San Jose Sharks (NHL) Univ. of Wisconsin (WCHA) Jonathan Quick G 6-1 (185) 218 (86) 1/21/1986 L Mildford, Conn. Los Angeles Kings (NHL) Univ. of Mass-Amherst (HEA) Kevin Shattenkirk D 5-11 (180) 207 (94) 1/29/1989 R New Rochelle, N.Y. St. Louis Blues (NHL) Boston Univ. (HEA) Paul Stastny F 6-0 (183) 205 (93) 12/27/1985 L St. Louis, Mo. Colorado Avalanche (NHL) Univ. of Denver (WCHA) Derek Stepan F 6-0 (183) 196 (90) 6/18/1990 R Hastings, Minn. New York Rangers (NHL) Univ. of Wisconsin (WCHA) Ryan Suter D 6-1 (185) 198 (90) 1/21/1985 L Madison, Wis. Minnesota Wild (NHL) Univ. of Wisconsin (WCHA) James van Riemsdyk F 6-3 (191) 200 (91) 5/4/1989 L Middletown, N.J. Toronto Maple Leafs (NHL) Univ. of New Hampshire (HEA) Blake Wheeler F 6-5 (198) 205 (93) 8/31/1986
This was Finland:
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3 D Olli Määttä 187 cm (6 ft 2 in) 89 kg (196 lb) 22 August 1994 Jyväskylä 4 D Ossi Väänänen 191 cm (6 ft 3 in) 99 kg (218 lb) 18 August 1980 Vantaa 5 D Lasse Kukkonen 183 cm (6 ft 0 in) 85 kg (187 lb) 18 September 1981 Oulu 6 D Sami Salo 190 cm (6 ft 3 in) 93 kg (205 lb) 2 September 1974 Turku 8 F Teemu Selänne – C 182 cm (6 ft 0 in) 91 kg (201 lb) 3 July 1970 Helsinki 12 F Olli Jokinen 187 cm (6 ft 2 in) 91 kg (201 lb) 5 December 1978 Kuopio 15 F Tuomo Ruutu 182 cm (6 ft 0 in) 89 kg (196 lb) 16 February 1983 Vantaa 16 F Aleksander Barkov 190 cm (6 ft 3 in) 91 kg (201 lb) 2 September 1995 Tampere 18 D Sami Lepistö 186 cm (6 ft 1 in) 85 kg (187 lb) 17 October 1984 Espoo 21 F Jori Lehterä 187 cm (6 ft 2 in) 97 kg (214 lb) 23 December 1987 Helsinki 23 F Sakari Salminen 177 cm (5 ft 10 in) 75 kg (165 lb) 31 May 1988 Pori 26 F Jarkko Immonen 182 cm (6 ft 0 in) 90 kg (200 lb) 19 April 1982 Rantasalmi 27 F Petri Kontiola 182 cm (6 ft 0 in) 92 kg (203 lb) 4 October 1984 Seinäjoki 28 F Lauri Korpikoski 185 cm (6 ft 1 in) 88 kg (194 lb) 28 July 1986 Turku 31 G Antti Niemi 187 cm (6 ft 2 in) 91 kg (201 lb) 29 August 1983 Vantaa 32 G Kari Lehtonen 193 cm (6 ft 4 in) 91 kg (201 lb) 16 November 1983 Helsinki 36 F Jussi Jokinen 181 cm (5 ft 11 in) 86 kg (190 lb) 1 April 1983 Kalajoki 38 D Juuso Hietanen 180 cm (5 ft 11 in) 85 kg (187 lb) 14 June 1985 Hämeenlinna 40 G Tuukka Rask 187 cm (6 ft 2 in) 90 kg (200 lb) 10 March 1987 Savonlinna 41 F Antti Pihlström 180 cm (5 ft 11 in) 82 kg (181 lb) 22 October 1984 Vantaa 44 D Kimmo Timonen – A 177 cm (5 ft 10 in) 84 kg (185 lb) 18 March 1975 Kuopio 45 D Sami Vatanen 177 cm (5 ft 10 in) 79 kg (174 lb) 3 June 1991 Jyväskylä 50 F Juhamatti Aaltonen 184 cm (6 ft 0 in) 85 kg (187 lb) 4 June 1985 Ii 64 F Mikael Granlund 179 cm (5 ft 10 in) 83 kg (183 lb) 26 February 1992 Oulu 71 F Leo Komarov – A 180 cm (5 ft 11 in) 90 kg (200 lb) 23 January 1987 Narva, Soviet Union
Definitely getting closer to knocking off Canada if we compare the result in 2002 to 2010.
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