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Did the last 6 years get Corey Perry into the HHOF

Fantomas said:
Give me some examples of these "measures"
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Career ppg stats

Career seasons being top 10 in goals, assists, pts

Career seasons being top 10 in ppg

Career playoff production stats

Career years with significant hart/Lindsay votes (he only has 2 years)

Perry has 2 elite seasons (2011 and 2014)

Then 3 very good to great seasons in 2009, 2010, and 2015

He is a career 55 pt player. He has been a 3rd/4th liner since 2018 at only the age of 32.

No one expects Eric Staal (fringe argument for him from a few people) Zach Parise, Jeff Carter; Thomas Vanek to be hall of famers and they all had very similar career to Perry outside of Perry having won the hart + rocket in 2011 due to injuries and hot shooting.

If your letting in a guy like Corey Perry then guys like Matt Barzal, William Nylander, Sebastian Aho, Roope Hintz etc., will be hall of famers too and the hall will continue to get diluted and lower level talent making it
 
hamzarocks said:
Career ppg stats

Career seasons being top 10 in goals, assists, pts

Career seasons being top 10 in ppg

Career playoff production stats

Career years with significant hart/Lindsay votes (he only has 2 years)

Perry has 2 elite seasons (2011 and 2014)

Then 3 very good to great seasons in 2009, 2010, and 2015

He is a career 55 pt player. He has been a 3rd/4th liner since 2018 at only the age of 32.

No one expects Eric Staal (fringe argument for him from a few people) Zach Parise, Jeff Carter; Thomas Vanek to be hall of famers and they all had very similar career to Perry outside of Perry having won the hart + rocket in 2011 due to injuries and hot shooting.

If your letting in a guy like Corey Perry then guys like Matt Barzal, William Nylander, Sebastian Aho, Roope Hintz etc., will be hall of famers too and the hall will continue to get diluted and lower level talent making it
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So all of your measures are strictly points for a player that is universally known for his play beyond his point totals?

hint: you can't say that's not your entire argument, as you stated that if Perry is included so should "Matt Barzal, William Nylander, Sebastian Aho, Roope Hintz, etc) will be HOF material. And that's even ignoring the absurdity of naming 4 players under the age of 30 as your argument comparison, nevermind completely different play styles and accolades.
 
OG Eberle said:
So all of your measures are strictly points for a player that is universally known for his play beyond his point totals?

hint: you can't say that's not your entire argument, as you stated that if Perry is included so should "Matt Barzal, William Nylander, Sebastian Aho, Roope Hintz, etc) will be HOF material. And that's even ignoring the absurdity of naming 4 players under the age of 30 as your argument comparison, nevermind completely different play styles and accolades.
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Hall of fame you need hall of fame statistics/accomplishments and consistency.

This isn't the feel good hall of fame where any guy with a good reputation can make it.

He produced at a level below a hall of famer for majority of his career.

Being a low end player on a cup losing team doesnt make you a hall of famer in most sports.

But the NHL and posters on here like to pretend a guy being a 3rd/4th liner on finals team should make the hall of fame.

It's absurd people even consider a guy like Corey Perry for the hall of fame. The hall of fame should be for the best players of a generation. Not the players who had the most playoff runs on good teams (unless that player was a driving for in the playoffs runs and a top 2-3 player for the team in those deep runs, which Perry has rarely if ever been).

What has Corey Perry done since 2018-2019 when he left ANA with a career of 776 pts in 988 games (65 pts per 82) at the age of 33 to make him a hall of famer?

No one saw him as a hall of famer when he left ANA. Since then his career numbers have gotten worse as he had declined and became a good 3rd/4th liner vs atop end player.
 
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hamzarocks said:
Hall of fame you need hall of fame statistics/accomplishments and consistency.

This isn't the feel good hall of fame where any guy with a good reputation can make it.

He produced at a level below a hall of famer for majority of his career.

Being a low end player on a cup losing team doesnt make you a hall of famer in most sports.

But the NHL and posters on here like to pretend a guy being a 3rd/4th liner on finals team should make the hall of fame.

It's absurd people even consider a guy like Corey Perry for the hall of fame. The hall of fame should be for the best players of a generation. Not the players who had the most playoff runs on good teams (unless that player was a driving for in the playoffs runs and a top 2-3 player for the team in those deep runs, which Perry has rarely if ever been).

What has Corey Perry done since 2018-2019 when he left ANA with a career of 776 pts in 988 games (65 pts per 82) at the age of 33 to make him a hall of famer?

No one saw him as a hall of famer when he left ANA. Since then his career numbers have gotten worse as he had declined and became a good 3rd/4th liner vs atop end player.
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So what accomplishments does Perry still need beyond winning almost one of every single hockey award a player of his style could win lol? Olympic Gold, Stanley Cup, Hart trophy, World Champ, World Junior, NHL All Star, NHL All Team. Good lord man

I strongly suggest you look up what the Hall of Fame states they look at for candidates, as you seem to think points make up 95% of all inductees.

Your argument about what the Hall of Fame should be versus what the Hall of Fame actually is has no bearing here as the precedents have been set probably before you were born. It's not just for generational players.

Also, arguing Corey Perry has not been a "driving force in the playoff runs and a top 2-3 player for the team" during his years in Anaheim just further decredentials any argument you are making right now. Again, thats also ignoring all the other stats and measures he brings to his teams beyond the horse-blinder nature of "points" as well.
 
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hamzarocks said:
Career ppg stats

Career seasons being top 10 in goals, assists, pts

Career seasons being top 10 in ppg

Career playoff production stats

Career years with significant hart/Lindsay votes (he only has 2 years)

Perry has 2 elite seasons (2011 and 2014)

Then 3 very good to great seasons in 2009, 2010, and 2015

He is a career 55 pt player. He has been a 3rd/4th liner since 2018 at only the age of 32.

No one expects Eric Staal (fringe argument for him from a few people) Zach Parise, Jeff Carter; Thomas Vanek to be hall of famers and they all had very similar career to Perry outside of Perry having won the hart + rocket in 2011 due to injuries and hot shooting.

If your letting in a guy like Corey Perry then guys like Matt Barzal, William Nylander, Sebastian Aho, Roope Hintz etc., will be hall of famers too and the hall will continue to get diluted and lower level talent making it
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Bernie Federko is a hall of famer and he's never won a major award.
 
OG Eberle said:
I strongly suggest you look up what the Hall of Fame states they look at for candidates, as you seem to think points make up 95% of all inductees.

Your argument about what the Hall of Fame should be versus what the Hall of Fame actually is has no bearing here as the precedents have been set probably before you were born. It's not just for generational players.

Also, arguing Corey Perry has not been a "driving force in the playoff runs and a top 2-3 player for the team" during his years in Anaheim just further decredentials any argument you are making right now. Again, thats also ignoring all the other stats and measures he brings to his teams beyond the horse-blinder nature of "points" as well.
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He hasn't been a driving force and top 2/3 player for the final runs team AFTER he left Anaheim.

For Dallas, MTL, TAM, EDM x 2, he has not been a top 5 player and potentially not even top 10 (maybe for mtl and Edmonton this year)

His production on the Ducks wouldn't have had him be a hall of famer. No ine was arguing Corey Perry had to be a hall of famer if he retired in 2019

He has been a ~32 pt per 82 games player in the regular season since then and a ~36 pt per 82 player in the playoffs since then. How does this add to his legacy and make him a hall of famer?

This thread is arguing his last 6 years were enough to change the narrative and get him in. What has he done the past 6 years that makes him a hall of famer?

The hall of fame has to have at least some level of standards. The terrible inductions in the past shouldn't give way to terrible inductions in the present/future.

I already mentioned Staal, Carter, Parise, and Vanek as comparable guys who have no shot to get in who you ignored.

Take a look at another name in Justin Williams. Similarish career production, 3 cups and good play in those cups. No one is arguing he should be a hall of famer.

Patrick Elias another guy. Better career and prime + better playoff production + more cups and he isn't a hall of famer.
 
Fantomas said:
Bernie Federko is a hall of famer and he's never won a major award.
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And that's a weakee nomination, he played in high scoring 80s so his stats jump out, but he also didnt hang around as long as Perry has when his best days were done

There a lot of shitty hhof players who got in the past. That needs to change.

If the hhof keeps letting lower level players in, there will be too many hall of famers and they hall will become like WWE hall of fame, a joke.

The hall of fame standards need to get harder moving forward, not easier
 
Being a piece of shit human being who molests women who have family members in the club will probably keep him out for a while but I’m guessing he gets in someday. Probably when he is about 60.
 
hamzarocks said:
And that's a weakee nomination, he played in high scoring 80s so his stats jump out, but he also didnt hang around as long as Perry has when his best days were done

There a lot of shitty hhof players who got in the past. That needs to change.

If the hhof keeps letting lower level players in, there will be too many hall of famers and they hall will become like WWE hall of fame, a joke.

The hall of fame standards need to get harder moving forward, not easier
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Ok, so you're talking about your preferred measures. That's fine.
 
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Fantomas said:
Ok, so you're talking about your preferred measures. That's fine.
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This whole thread is about preferred measures.

It's about if the past 6 years is enough to get Corey Perry into the hall.

Perry isn't a good enough player to not have to ask the question and be an automatic hall of famer

So his name will generate discussion and opinions if he deserves to make it or not.

Patrick Elias and Justin Williams counter any weaker past era stars who made the hall as a point for Perry getting in. Neither are in yet despite being retired for a while now
 
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hamzarocks said:
This whole thread is about preferred measures.
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I thought we were talking about actual things that exist.

Perry isn't a good enough player to not have to ask the question and be an automatic hall of famer

So his name will generate doscussion and opinions if he deserves to make it or not.

Patrick Elias and Justin Williams counter any weaker past era stars who made the hall as a point for Perry getting in. Neither are in yet despite being retired for a while now
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You said he's not a hof'er by any measure, which is obviously not true. I agree that he's far from automatic.
 
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PistolPete said:
Which makes the HHOF quite meaningless.

Sorry, when the same Hall holds Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux, Howe and Yzerman, Perreault, Bossy, Lafleur ....as well as Oates, Langway, Shanghai, Lindros.....

It's pretty much meaningless to be a member in it
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It must suck to be recognized as one of the best ~3% to ever play the game.
 
Grifter3511 said:
But it's not called the Hall of Greats.
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Ohhh....The HoG.....gotta boce ring tonight, wahr nicht?

I'm a bit pickier with my idea of what a HHOF should be.

I want to be able to look at a list and know that player was a generational great and not just a very good player but not someone future generations are going to know unless they're strongly interested in hockey history
 
Losing in 6 Stanley cup finals doesn't get you into the hall. Especially with rather pedestrian numbers.

He was already getting in by virtue of earlier accomplishments but the last 6yrs don't contribute to it
 
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