Did DeBoer just fire himself with the Oettinger fiasco?

[vipera1960]

Hes to blame for failing to get his team ready to start the game. Worst star ever that I've ever seen.

Nah. In the 2002 WCF Game 7 Colorado surrendered 4 goals in the first 13 minutes en route to a 7-0 loss.

 

[Grifter3511]

Oettinger did himself in with that body language. Wasn't competitive AT ALL on the 2nd goal. Blame teammates all you want for causing the breakaway, but the goalie needs to be dialed in looking like he'll do anything he possibly can to not let another one go by...weak ass, feeble effort on goal #2 and then looks completely discouraged afterwords. DeBoer was completely justified to pull him, and Oettinger running off to the room instead of staying on the bench with his teammates shows selfishness and fragility on his part.

Giving up the first two shots on net while looking completely defeated is bad sign, and there is nothing to suggest he should have stayed in after that.

Stars scored 1.8 goals a game this series. You'd look pretty dejected too if your team hung you out to dry for two shots and now 8 minutes into the game you know you've lost because your team can't score.

 

[Slats432]

Honestly don't know what people think DeBoer could have done there that would have been more effective.

Pull him for a minute. Get him to settle down, then put your franchise goalie back in. Not pull him, call a timeout, tell him to get his ass back to the bench then torch him in the media.

 

[Summer Rose]

Nah. In the 2002 WCF Game 7 Colorado surrendered 4 goals in the first 13 minutes en route to a 7-0 loss.

They also had a goal disallowed, but if I remember right, even if it had counted it wouldn't really have made a difference on them losing the game.

I remember it because for some reason, while I was watching that game, the sound on my DirecTV stopped working, which annoyed me to high Heaven, and I also had no idea why the goal was disallowed until much later.

 

[kingsholygrail]

DeBoer teams just seem to have this habit of falling apart late in the playoffs.

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

That's kind of my thought. You look at the teams he has had and you wonder how some coaches get so lucky, meanwhile the best team Jon Hynes has had was probably this Minnesota team.

The telling thing for me is that despite how far those teams got he still got fired. That should tell anyone that the GM's thought he either underachieved or at least was part of the problem.

Personally, for me, what would get him fired is how he handled things after he pulled the goalie. As a GM I can explain away a coach feeling desperate and trying to wake his team up, what I can't do is have him degrading my starting goalie on both the bench and then the press conference later. You are the coach, you take the responsibility in that moment. You let your goalie vent for a minute and then you stand up at the press conference and say you were trying to wake the rest of the team up. With his comments he is basically trying to shrug off all responsibility.

Unless PDB is found drunk at the Galleria mall with a bottle in hand, his dick hanging out of his trousers, and yelling "F*#$ you, Otter. You ruined my playoffs!" at shoppers, Nill isn't going to fire him.

 

[bov]

Dude was the team’s most consistent player by far those playoffs. Deboer had numerous chances throughout the series to send a message, and instead of sending it to the forwards who were useless the entire playoffs or the defense which seemed to have a fetish for the most epic defensive breakdowns, he not only sends it to the guy that’s led you there but in the process throws in a subpar goalie into a high pressure situation who’s seen next to no action in a month. Deboer waited too long to “send a message”. He should have done so after game 2 or 3 or 4. Hell even in game 1 they looked awful. I like Pete but his timing to “light a fire” was long after the building had already burned down.

Prior stuff is irrelevant and it's not about sending any kind of message. Guy couldn't save the first two shots and had horrible body language, so DeBoer got him the F outta there. Nothing more to it.

 

[Mattb124]

IJust let him go to the room to cool the f*** off, you idiot. Completely unprofessional and shows a complete lack of situational awareness.

This isn't even taking account it's the 6th straight conference final DeBoer has lost as a coach too.

Devils advocate: what would have been the result if DeBoer let Oettinger go to the room and DeSmith quickly became injured? Burn a time-out? Play for a bit without a goalie? Not sure DeBoer was the one who was completely unprofessional or showed a complete lack of situational awareness. His job is to win hockey games.

Each year that DeBoer lost in the CF’s, there were 28 other coaches whose teams didn’t make it that far. Not sure that criticism carries quite the weight some pretend it does.

 

[vipera1960]

They also had a goal disallowed, but if I remember right, even if it had counted it wouldn't really have made a difference on them losing the game.

I remember it because for some reason, while I was watching that game, the sound on my DirecTV stopped working, which annoyed me to high Heaven, and I also had no idea why the goal was disallowed until much later.

I mostly remember it because it was at the height of Wings/Avs. It had been a hard fought, close series and ESPN was hyping it up. And then 10 minutes in Roy gets pulled and the game is over, and the announcers are just like “Now what do we do?”

 

[TheBeard]

Prior stuff is irrelevant and it's not about sending any kind of message. Guy couldn't save the first two shots and had horrible body language, so DeBoer got him the F outta there. Nothing more to it.

It was 100% about sending a message.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

Unless PDB is found drunk at the Galleria mall with a bottle in hand, his dick hanging out of his trousers, and yelling "F*#$ you, Otter. You ruined my playoffs!" at shoppers, Nill isn't going to fire him.

I don't know if the post game pressers were held at the Galleria mall, but the rest of it is exactly what happened. Exactly.

 

[bossram]

Vegas fired him and went on to win the cup with nearly the same roster.

Theres a reason his teams always seem to hit a wall.

That doesn't really answer the question I posed, "who is a better available hire?"

If you want to argue Cassidy is an elite coach, you'll hear no protest from me. But Cassidy is not available.

I'm not sure by what objective measure people can say that PDB is a "bad" coach.

And with this RD group that Jim Nill handed him, Dallas was never going to win the Cup anyway.

 

[Albatros]

Devils advocate: what would have been the result if DeBoer let Oettinger go to the room and DeSmith quickly became injured? Burn a time-out? Play for a bit without a goalie?

A delay of game penalty at worst, but unlikely.

 

[NVious]

He was drinking too much beer at church, shaking too many players hands, he'd be a heck of a coach if he wasn't in such a pressure filled market, guys are killing him in this thread and he doesn't deserve it.

 

[Summer Rose]

A delay of game penalty at worst, but unlikely.

I believe the rules have a provision in them that if a goaltender gets injured, the replacement is permitted a “reasonable amount of time” to get ready to take the crease. In the hypothetical scenario that DeSmith quickly got injured and Oettinger was in the dressing room with half his gear off, they’d let him take the time to get ready without penalty as long as there was no unreasonable delay.

I also think the penalty for an unreasonable delay might be “substitution infraction” (a very rare penalty that’s on the books) instead of delay of game, but don’t quote me on that.

 

[bov]

It was 100% about sending a message.

To who? I mean sure, in a generic sense of "send a message to your team" in which case you could say that about any goalie pull.

DeBoer's priority is to give his team the best chance to win, crazy to think this move was about anything other than that.

 

[Duder54]

As an Oilers fan, I personally hope the Stars keep DeBoer around for a long time.

 

[oXo Cube]

To who? I mean sure, in a generic sense of "send a message to your team" in which case you could say that about any goalie pull.

DeBoer's priority is to give his team the best chance to win, crazy to think this move was about anything other than that.

If it's about giving his team the best chance to win then it's even more stupid to pull your star goaltender for a career journeyman backup over 2 goals that weren't remotely his fault.

 

[Crosby2010]

I'm wondering if it was just too early to do so. The problem I have isn't so much that he pulled him, I get it, a coach has to do what he thinks to shake up the team in a time of need, but my issue was that he called the timeout, he brought the team to the bench, then as it is over and Oettinger goes back to the net DeBoer almost seems as if he impulsively pulled him out of anger. Almost as if he just thought about it right at that moment. Oettinger was surprised, and to be be honest initially when I saw him walking down the hallway I thought he was hurt. So my problem is that the whole thing just seemed like it was done out of anger. I don't think that's a winning move.

That being said, DeBoer is still a good coach. He was an excellent coach with the Kitchener Rangers and there is a reason he won the 2003 Memorial Cup. He had "future NHL coach" written all over him. He's done well. Was there a time when he had the Cup favourite? Pittsburgh was better in 2016. You can argue the Sharks could have won in 2019 vs. the Blues, but the Blues did win the Cup. A surprise trip to the final with the Devils in 2012. I will admit 2021 was ugly in losing to Montreal. Vegas should have marched right to the Cup final. Fleury had some mistakes that series, but overall that Habs team was not near the level of Vegas. As for Dallas, three straight trips to the semis, I mean, you can do a lot worse.

 

[TheBeard]

To who? I mean sure, in a generic sense of "send a message to your team" in which case you could say that about any goalie pull.

DeBoer's priority is to give his team the best chance to win, crazy to think this move was about anything other than that.

The only way they win is if they’re motivated. Deboer didn’t really have a lot of options for that. He couldn’t just bench Lindell in the middle of the game. This is why my biggest criticism is he waited too long to do something. Bench Wyatt in game 3. Or Benn or anyone. He didn’t because his best chance of winning is to put forth the best lineup he could. Otter was as much as fault (I’d argue less) than the d that just let Perry stand in front by himself. Or let what’s his name in on a clear breakaway.

 

[bov]

If it's about giving his team the best chance to win then it's even more stupid to pull your star goaltender for a career journeyman backup over 2 goals that weren't remotely his fault.

Yeah you must be right, I'm sure its a personal vendetta about sending a message. Lol.

Oettinger didn't bring his A game when the Stars needed it most, the 2nd goal was a piss poor effort on his part regardless of the defensive lapse. Amazing to see people defending a guy who gives up the first two shots he faced and visibly lost his composure.

 

[Puckstop40]

If only Bednar was coaching the Oilers.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Otter for Ullmark

 

[joestevens29]

Pulls a goalie with a 0% save percentage, goalie storms off the bench, DeBoer screams for him to come back and sit his ass down.

Meanwhile, the goalie he puts in lets in two (maybe 3) goals that Oettinger might have stopped.

What a clusterf***.

When you posted this did you expect the story to evolve even more

 

[joestevens29]

Unless PDB is found drunk at the Galleria mall with a bottle in hand, his dick hanging out of his trousers, and yelling "F*#$ you, Otter. You ruined my playoffs!" at shoppers, Nill isn't going to fire him.

I hope this happens