Did Carey Price live up to his 8 year, $84M contract?

[GrumpyKoala]

Swap their teams and Price has the cups with Roy getting none.

This comment confuses me a lot from someone with lafleur as username.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This comment confuses me a lot from someone with lafleur as username.

What's confusing about it?

One team has two Norris winners, two Selke winners, multiple HOFers, a trap system that was best in league. The other has David Desharnais as it's first line center.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

I think you underestimate Roy clutch performances and overestimate Price ability to rise up to occasions.

Roy did it against a team with 4 HOFers. 3 overtime win in the final.

It's wasn't by any means easyer.

 

[Lshap]

no he wasn't "one of the most dominant for 7/ 8 years before that".
2014 ( after Olympic Gold) and 2015 he was lights out. Then he got injured early 2016.
Was inconsistent 2008 - 2013. Losing starters job end of season and play offs in 2010 to Halak.

He most certainly was dominant from 2011 until 2018. Doesn't mean he didnt have crappy games, like every goalie, but overall he was probably the best goalie in the league. The stats don't lie.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I think you underestimate Roy clutch performances and overestimate Price ability to rise up to occasions.

Roy did it against a team with 4 HOFers. 3 overtime win in the final.

It's wasn't by any means easyer.

It was relatively easy considering who he missed facing. In 86 he doesn’t face the Oilers in 93 he doesn’t face the Pens.

And… that’s fine. You still have to win those games and he played great hockey. But the idea that those two cup runs were on some underdog team is inaccurate. In both runs the Habs played evenly matched clubs or worse. He never had to beat a better club.

He won the Smyth in both runs. Deservedly so. Not trying to rip the guy. But Montreal got extremely lucky in those runs with who they faced.

 

[La Bamba]

No but the Habs aren't hurt by his cap hit and he gave them a run to the Finals. I'm sure Carey is happy with his retirement package

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He most certainly was dominant from 2011 until 2018. Doesn't mean he didnt have crappy games, like every goalie, but overall he was probably the best goalie in the league. The stats don't lie.

Postseason from 2011 to his retirement he was absolutely awesome. Like you said, not every game and not every series. But almost always.

If the Habs could muster three goals it was an auto win. Unfortunately that didn’t happen with enough frequency to go anywhere.

 

[viceroy]

Tampa had been to the Conference... Blah, blah, blah

You don't get it hermano. Did the Habs get special rules Toronto, Winnipeg and Vegas didn't? Why didn't they come out on top and get the Clarence Campbell then? If every other team had the same chances at the start of the regular season with all these rules decided upon at the very start why would anyone's wins be invalid?

Are you still bent outta shape that the Knights took out COL that year(if you are an Avs fan)? I don't get it. The Habs got to the end and faced a powerhouse cap-busting team and got spanked. Heck I would say that MTL's appearance in the Finals was more legitimate than Tampa's cap-circumventing super-team.

 

[PaulD]

He most certainly was dominant from 2011 until 2018. Doesn't mean he didnt have crappy games, like every goalie, but overall he was probably the best goalie in the league. The stats don't lie.

Like Roy. Only Patrick was better. All due respect to Carey.

 

[Video Nasty]

Posts like these always make me laugh, disrespectfully

It’s to illustrate that other players have more than one glowing example on their resume. Laugh away. I do the same when people swoon over Price.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

You don't get it hermano. Did the Habs get special rules Toronto, Winnipeg and Vegas didn't? Why didn't they come out on top and get the Clarence Campbell then? If every other team had the same chances at the start of the regular season with all these rules decided upon at the very start why would anyone's wins be invalid?

Are you still bent outta shape that the Knights took out COL that year(if you are an Avs fan)? I don't get it. The Habs got to the end and faced a powerhouse cap-busting team and got spanked. Heck I would say that MTL's appearance in the Finals was more legitimate than Tampa's cap-circumventing super-team.

Just because the same rules applied to everyone doesn't mean that the Habs didn't benefit the most. They were in a division with 7 teams, only 3 of which were halfway decent, so one turd had float to the middle, and the Habs, with the 18th best record in the league, ended up getting the unearned gift that the North division essentially guaranteed. Sure, they were able to take that gift and run with it, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a gift. It has absolutely nothing to do the Knights beating the Avs that season and I'm pretty sure I celebrated our Cup win hard enough the following year that I don't remember that series anymore anyway.

And I'd be fine with putting an asterisk on every team that won a Cup with a playoff roster that is well over the cap. But, while it's difficult to make it work that well, that loophole is/was open to literally every team. Only the 4 Canadian bottom feeders were eligible for that gift playoff spot, and the unfairness of that makes it so much worse.

 

[viceroy]

Just because the same rules applied to everyone doesn't mean that the Habs didn't benefit the most.

And I'd be fine with putting an asterisk on every team that won a Cup with a playoff roster that is well over the cap. But, while it's difficult to make it work that well, that loophole is/was open to literally every team.

Hunh? You think there aren't teams that get lucky with the playoffs every year? Criminy in 2019 the Habs had 96pts and didn't make the playoffs, that was like a record. Good teams miss out all the time and some teams that suck squeak in. You whining that the North division had 7 teams? Guess what? Before Vegas and Seattle showed up the divisions were unbalanced as well.

You mention that being over the Cap is within the rules so it's okay but a team that makes the playoffs following the same rules as every other team isn't. Confirmation Bias amigo, read up on it. You hate the Habs and therefore see improprieties whenever they succeed. Relax buddy.

 

[Jumptheshark]

If he does not get injured he would have gotten into the hall of fame. He would have ended he career with between 400 to 450 wins

 

[JKG33]

It’s to illustrate that other players have more than one glowing example on their resume. Laugh away. I do the same when people swoon over Price.

If you take out when a player is good, you mean to say they'd be bad? What a revelation.

Reminds me of that reddit NFL post a while back.. if you regress Mahomes' stats to the mean he'd be an average QB. Quite the analysis, much like yours

 

[FrozenJagrt]

If you take out when a player is good, you mean to say they'd be bad? What a revelation.

Reminds me of that reddit NFL post a while back.. if you regress Mahomes' stats to the mean he'd be an average QB. Quite the analysis, much like yours

The implication here being that Price only has one good season? Because the person that you're talking to only suggested removing one season.

 

[RandV]

Everyone says no as if a contract is evaluated in a vacuum. The money does not magically give you another player if you don't spend it. Price was absolutely worth it because he was Montreal's best player for that time. Sadly he got injured a lot and it shortened his career, but when he was healthy he was absolutely worth it. I really don't understand the "Price is overrated" rhetoric.

Yes and to add to this, when people bemoan how badly a player like this is overpaid on his last contract they never consider how much he may have been underpaid on his earlier contracts. Whether intentional or not the current system is designed so that a player tends to be underpaid early in his career and overpaid at the latter end. Price actually makes a perfect example of this working correctly, as he was badly underpaid his first 5 years and then still underpaid the next. Overall his total career earnings vs contributions to the Montreal Canadians evens up pretty well.

A lot of fans seems to think if they can cut out the inefficiencies of declining older players making too much money then they can spend the cap space making the team better somewhere else. But with the league as a whole, with a salary cap and player revenues set to a hard coded percentage of revenues, there's only a finite amount of talent out there. If you could waive away these old declining contracts teams wouldn't get better rather it would just create a vacuum that would be filled from another angle.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Obviously, the answer is to give all players a base salary and then top up based on the seasons performance at the conclusion of the season.

That works well, if you are an owner

 

[Habby4Life]

Like Roy. Only Patrick was better. All due respect to Carey.

Yeah, Carey was great but Patrick was better.

 

[lakeshirts37]

If only those bias glasses weren't glued into your face, you'd see reality like everybody else too

Ha! way more applicable to you than me pal. cry more

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

No

 

[JKG33]

The implication here being that Price only has one good season? Because the person that you're talking to only suggested removing one season.

No, he's also full of shit there too. But if someone thinks Price isn't good their argument is worthless to begin with.

But I just hate that argument in particular.. if you take away a players best season they look worse. Like yea, no shit. And if my aunt had balls...

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Hunh? You think there aren't teams that get lucky with the playoffs every year? Criminy in 2019 the Habs had 96pts and didn't make the playoffs, that was like a record. Good teams miss out all the time and some teams that suck squeak in. You whining that the North division had 7 teams? Guess what? Before Vegas and Seattle showed up the divisions were unbalanced as well.

You mention that being over the Cap is within the rules so it's okay but a team that makes the playoffs following the same rules as every other team isn't. Confirmation Bias amigo, read up on it. You hate the Habs and therefore see improprieties whenever they succeed. Relax buddy.

So, because 8 of the 16 Eastern Conference teams scored more points than the Habs in 2019, you think that somehow suggests they actually deserved a playoff berth during the Covid Cup, when they benefited from a single year rule that said they only had to beat 3 other bottom feeders to get in? Or did they deserve their Covid Cup playoff berth because the Western Conference had a 7 team division that didn't get gifted 4 automatic playoff spots as special treatment after expansion and realignment?

And the only reason for your ad hominem attacks, aka claiming I "hate" your team or am angry about the Knights, is to allow yourself to ignore my criticism without actually doing anything to refute my statements. If I'm labeled "a hater", then the truth I spoke can be ignored, right?

 

[PaulD]

Roy had the better career. No dispute. More consistent? No. Not in the playoffs.

Mental toughness? The guy quit in the middle of a game. As soon as the team started to decline he quit. So I dispute that as well. Price may have had his issues off the ice but he had far worse clubs and never left.

Roy was a great goalie. An all time great. But he's really overrated. He's not Hasek.

Roy will always be regarded as being one of the best ever and Price won't rank as high. That is beyond dispute and I won't say otherwise. But swap the teams and Price is a multi cup winning goalie and Roy has none. I'd say he was the better goalie, Roy had the better career.

You're personal eye test aside.
Roy was a legend and a winner in the biggest moments.
Carey was a great athletic goaltender.
Yep. But he was no Roy.

Roy won four rounds, the Cup and the Con Smythe in his rookie year. 1986
Price in his rookie year, got to the second round where he had a melt down against a mediocre Flyers team. 2008. Didn't win his next round till 2014.
Price had one Hasek like season. Plus some pretty good ones.
Roy was great from 1984 to 1995. As a Canadien . With legendary play off performances.
No contest.
It's a compliment to Carey just to try compare the two.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

It's a compliment to Carey just to try compare the two.

Sure, but please don't do that

 

[FrozenJagrt]

No, he's also full of shit there too. But if someone thinks Price isn't good their argument is worthless to begin with.

But I just hate that argument in particular.. if you take away a players best season they look worse. Like yea, no shit. And if my aunt had balls...

But in Price's case, it makes him look SUBSTANTIALLY worse. It'd drop him from that Lundqvist tier to the Vokoun tier.