Going into the season with this rotation would be fine: Dickey-Beurhle-Garza-Morrow-Porcello
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Going into the season with this rotation would be fine: Dickey-Beurhle-Garza-Morrow-Porcello
Diamond Joe Quimby
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GoHardSports
TorontoMarleauLeafs
Honestly, maybe working out a trade with the Reds might be the best bet to fill the greatest amount of holes.
Bautista+ for Phillips+Bailey+Hanigan
Then sign an OF like Granderson and another pitcher and you're set.
Ok so lets say its Janssen and mid-tier prospect for Porcello. That takes care of our number 3-4 starter spot!!!
Dickey
Buerhle
Porcello/Morrow
Morrow/Porcello
Happ
So what do you target next to make that rotation better??? A number one? A number two? or number 3 starter? Which one do you think is best to go for and most realistic???
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GoHardSports
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topched
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Lol tell that to Detroit who had a revolving door of closers and their relievers were one of the main reasons they fell short of the WS yet again.
Honestly I think you can put together a package for Porcello with ML assets. Janssen + another reliever along with a "b" P prospect - Smoral, Norris might get it done
GoHardSports
TorontoMarleauLeafs
I agree with everyone else thats been saying we'll probably target 1 pitcher via trade and the other via free agency. It could be Porcello, Samardzija, ect.
I really think the 1 pitcher via free agency is gonna be Ubaldo. There was interest in previous season the trade for him and he apparently fixed up his mechanics with Cleveland's pitching coach at the mid-point of last season. Other possibilities could be Santana if he drops his price a bit, Garza, depending on what he's asking for, or maybe even Jason Vargas, who would come in a lot cheaper and give you the 200 innings you need at the back-end of the rotation.
GoHardSports
TorontoMarleauLeafs
Honestly its not because they didnt have a "legit closer", its because their bullpen sucked ass.
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Major League Baseball is prepared to move forward with a radical expansion of instant replay, but an official announcement will be delayed until November, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today.
The new replay policy will allow managers to ask for replay reviews in a style that is similar to the NFL's challenge system. Managers will have three challenges -- one in the first six innings of the game and two beyond that. Under the new system, which will be phased in starting next season, 89 percent of plays will be deemed reviewable. Should a manager exhaust his three challenges, the umpiring crew can still convene to conduct their own review of a questionable home run.
NOV. 14: ESPN's Jerry Crasnick tweets that MLB owners have approved funding for replay expansion in 2014
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The new replay policy will allow managers to ask for replay reviews in a style that is similar to the NFL's challenge system. Managers will have three challenges -- one in the first six innings of the game and two beyond that. Under the new system, which will be phased in starting next season, 89 percent of plays will be deemed reviewable. Should a manager exhaust his three challenges, the umpiring crew can still convene to conduct their own review of a questionable home run.
NOV. 14: ESPN's Jerry Crasnick tweets that MLB owners have approved funding for replay expansion in 2014
Sounds good
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More like Bautista + for Phillips + Latos. The deal you suggested would be horrid for us. Two bad contracts and a pitcher with one year of control left for Bautista +.
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No you're definitely right on that one... My point is just that acquiring good bullpen arms is a lot more difficult than it looks. Of course you're anchored by the closer, while I agree the position is overrated, if you don't have a guy to pitch the ninth you're constantly messing with guys roles etc.
I'd give up one of Delabar or Janssen in a heartbeat to get an SP, along with a long relieve, whether it's Loup, Rogers or Happ
We've got a combo of Delabar/Janssen, Santos and Cecil to handle 7-8-9 roles. Lefty specialists in Loup, Perez and Perez, plus a ton of other pieces.
We can afford to move some of them to bolster the rotation or catcher spot
GoHardSports
TorontoMarleauLeafs
Reds arent gonna move Latos. We arent looking for controllable assets right now, we're looking for assets that have come into their own and will contribiute now. Homer Bailey had a breakout season last year. Who's to say we wouldnt be able to re-sign him?
Here's an article on why Bailey should be mentioned among the league's best: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/homer-baileys-peers/
This. I wanted Latos before and if we move Bautista to the Reds I want him to be the front piece coming back.
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GoHardSports
TorontoMarleauLeafs
Ludwick, Bruce, and Hamilton as of now; although they want to add another bat in the outfield through either the resigning of Choo (which they can't do unless they clear salary) or by trading for one. I've heard that if they can move Phillips they'll put Hamilton at second because A) they like him there and B) its easier to find a big bat in the outfield.
GoHardSports
TorontoMarleauLeafs
Neither could Choo, but he played there all year. Bruce has played CF in the past and did offer to play CF last year when they acquired Choo if Choo felt more comfortable in RF. Bruce in a very good defender in RF so I feel that CIN would have no problem with him in CF.
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Changes to the posting system could be on it's way.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/...em-proposal-agreement-may-not-be-reached.html
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/...em-proposal-agreement-may-not-be-reached.html
So what we are all agreeing on is that Detroit's bullpen sucked ass, Toronto's was very good. We have too many in the bullpen and need to unload. So if thats the case and Porcello is available why wouldnt AA already pull the trigger on this deal????
Secondly, if there was a way to get Phillips in a deal along with Hanigan without having to give up Bautista I would be for this. How about since they dont have a true center fielder we do this:
Rasmus or Gose
Sierra
JP Arancebia
Happ
for
Phillips
Hanigan
Bailey
Our Lineup with Porcello and Cincy Trades:
SS - Reyes
2B - Phillips
LF - Bautista
1B - EE
DH - Lind
3B - Lawrie
RF - Cabrera
C - Hanigan
CF- Gose (if its Rasmus not included in deal put him behind EE and slide everyone down one slot)
Dickey
Bailey
Buerhle
Porcello
Morrow
Secondly, if there was a way to get Phillips in a deal along with Hanigan without having to give up Bautista I would be for this. How about since they dont have a true center fielder we do this:
Rasmus or Gose
Sierra
JP Arancebia
Happ
for
Phillips
Hanigan
Bailey
Our Lineup with Porcello and Cincy Trades:
SS - Reyes
2B - Phillips
LF - Bautista
1B - EE
DH - Lind
3B - Lawrie
RF - Cabrera
C - Hanigan
CF- Gose (if its Rasmus not included in deal put him behind EE and slide everyone down one slot)
Dickey
Bailey
Buerhle
Porcello
Morrow
I think everyone would, just has to be for the right return. He might be available too if Cinci is interested in moving Chapman to the rotation.
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I don't see how someone who has 2 no hitters at the age of 27 can be underrated, but I agree, Jays would be a good trading partner.
On another note. Derosa had an interview on PTS recently to talk about his time in baseball and his new job as a analyst. During said interview he used the term grinders 3 times. Now I had already assumed that it was one of Dickey, Buehrle, Janssen, or Derosa that made those comments about the team a while back, but I think I can safely say who it was. He had alot of kind words about the team, players and the city in general, but when questioned about the Bautista rumors, he didn't hesitate to say anyone should be available. "If you finished last place with him, you could probably finish last place without him". Thought that comment was very telling. Again, not saying his words are anything new or ground-breaking, but the way he went about it was interesting to me to say the least.
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