I think it's very unlikely that the Devils can get an extra 1st round pick by moving down one draft slot. Trades at the top of the draft have normally rested on gentlemen's agreements about not selecting players. I can imagine a 2nd round pick but not a 1st. In 2002, Columbus traded from 3 to 1 with Florida in exchange for Florida being able to exchange places with them next year; both teams, I think, knew that Atlanta was going to take Kari Lehtonen, and Florida did not end up exercising that right.
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I think it's very unlikely that the Devils can get an extra 1st round pick by moving down one draft slot. Trades at the top of the draft have normally rested on gentlemen's agreements about not selecting players. I can imagine a 2nd round pick but not a 1st. In 2002, Columbus traded from 3 to 1 with Florida in exchange for Florida being able to exchange places with them next year; both teams, I think, knew that Atlanta was going to take Kari Lehtonen, and Florida did not end up exercising that right.
I won't relax at any point in this draft. It's crucial, and the Devils have seriously dropped the ball later in drafts over the past two years. The system is desperate for RD, depth C and interior/power Fs, mostly because of how nearsightedly they have drafted in the late rounds since Shero left the front office.
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After 20A, get 2 RDs, a goaler, and then some 2way, righty Cs who are speedy or greasy and I’d be happy. Would love Adam Sykora but seems like I’ll have to settle for the poster in my bedroom of him.
I'm not committing to a RD at #37 overall.
The fact is, the New Russian Factor could drop some ridiculous, top-10 level talent to the 2nd round. How would the Devils pass on Ivan Miroshnichenko at #37? Or Alexander Perevalov? Or even Gleb Trikozov?
The Devils also are pretty desperate for depth C in the system -- and some players who could slip to #37 include Owen Beck or Nathan Gaucher.
Other top forwards would also interest me at #37, and of course Adam Sykora is among them. I'd also include Isaac Howard, Reid Schaefer, Jagger Firkus and Noah Ostlund on the list.
I think #37 is too early to zoom in on strictly positional need, especially considering some of the high-end talents who could be out there.
I wouldn't say after Shero left. While he was better in the late rounds, he didn't exactly stock the cupboard with interior power forwards and RHD either .
At least Shero drafted good players. We can argue that, during Shero's reign as GM, the Devils were the best late-round drafting team in the NHL. It's tough to argue against on the basis of Bratt/Sharangovich/Gritsyuk alone.
The Devils have two players drafted in the past two years who can already be considered non-prospects. Viktor Hurtig was overmatched as one of the oldest and biggest players in a Swedish junior league. Ben Baumgartner is a UFA if the Devils don't sign him by June 1st, and they would be dumb to do this, because I'm not sure he's good enough for the ECHL right now. Artem Shlaine is not far behind them. When players are washing out this quickly, you must go back and analyze why it was you drafted them in the first place.
While Shero had a few clear misses, they were out-numbered by his hits. Since Shero, this has unfortunately been reversed. We can also cite the failure to trade back and gain more assets for taken-earlier-than-necessary picks Mukhamadullin and Stillman.
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its essentially the same scouting staff, i'd like to see some trade downs with some of the picks like Shero did but I think you're really overrating how much a GM influences some of these picks. A lot of these late round picks just look like he let area scouts pick who they wanted.
Basically I really doubt Fitz is doing things like watching Ethan Edwards in the AJHL
Basically I really doubt Fitz is doing things like watching Ethan Edwards in the AJHL
I agree that I don't think Fitzgerald is picking them himself, but it seems like something about the process of selecting has changed. That said, Shlaine and Baumgartner feel like picks Shero and company would've made, but e.g. Malek does not.
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I've been really impressed with Paul Castron's work since he replaced David Conte. I have faith in this scouting team
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It would be very tough to part with Shane Wright if the Habs take Slaf...
I just don't think there is an actual package (short of a direct trade with Calgary for Tkachuk) that will be satisfactory in exchange for him.
Well you can worry.
I'm just going to sit back and see if HFBoards crashes or if THIS server is up to the challenge of the NHL Draft.
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Beck being there at 37 would be a huge get for us. Only way I pass on that opportunity is if Miroshnichenko is there.
Shero would absolutely not have taken Baumgartner or Shlaine.
Shero's drafts focused on players with singular elite standout tools (Bratt, Gritsyuk, Sharangovich, Studenic) and players with high character/compete/floor (Talvitie, Moynihan, McCarthy, Vukojevic, Anderson). He also loved speed, and leaned towards faster players.
Baumgartner and Shlaine lacked standout tools, intangibles, speed or floor. He would have ruled them out as soon as a scout brought them up.
Normally I'd agree, but this is a draft with a very clear top two. There is sufficient difference between Wright and Cooley/Jiricek/Nemec/Nazar to warrant spending a late 1st.
Frankly, I wouldn't do it for any less.
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Malek seems to be of a new goaltending department kind of pick. I agree that something had shifted but there was marks of that in 2019 too with Okhotiuk (people like him now but the reaction at the time of the draft wasn't that great), Misyul, and Vukojevic.
A: this is an assumption B: if everyone thinks that, no one will trade and the Devils will just take Wright. For a trade to happen, the Devils need to recoup some value in taking the player they know they want at #2, but they cannot get likely get maximum value - I just do not see a team trading a 1st round pick to move up 1 spot in a draft.
Perevalov and Trikozov are also high end prospects who could fall to #37, especially Perevalov.
The reaction to Okhotyuk was only critical from draft-johnny-come-latelies who don't watch the prospects but just look at the stats. People who had actually watched the OHL thought Okhotyuk was a very good pick.
The entire 2019 draft, in fact, highlights the difference between the Shero drafting and the Fitzgerald (so far) drafting styles. It was clear NJ was getting a franchise player in Jack Hughes, and after this Shero made a concerted effort to get physical, defensive D (Okhotyuk, Misyul, Vukojevic, McCarthy) while still peppering picks on high upside Fs (Gritsyuk, Clarke, Thompson) and also managed to take a goalie (Brady) and a high-floor bottom-6 character guy who was close friends with Hughes (Moynihan).
The 2019 New Jersey Devils draft was, quite simply, a work of art.
We can call the 2020 and 2021 drafts more along the lines of splatter-painting. While we nailed early picks of L.Hughes, Holtz and Mercer, the later 1st rounders (Mukhamadullin, Stillman) both could have been traded back for, and some of the mid-round and late-round picks were simply baffling.
There has been -- without any doubt -- a tectonic shift in the strategizing of the Shero drafts and (thus far) the Fitzgerald drafts.
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I'd at least give him the 9 games and see where he's at. If he's ready he's ready. If not, let him, Holtz, Thompson, the D dominate at Utica
Will Scouch just dropped his Trikozov video. It's not as good as the Sykora video, but he likes him quite a bit.
Would be a fantastic pick at 37
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Sharangovich wasnt really worth much of anything before his loan to the KHL in 2020, when he was 22. Last two drafts still need some time. Topias Vilen looks decent, Edwards' role will improve this year at Michigan, and Shlaine was steadily improving at Connecticut until he transferred, could boost his potential getting more time.
Why does Malek not? A euro goalie already past his initial draft eligible season. Giles Senn comes to mind from the Shero era.
As far as the process maybe it's just the covid effect.
Ya and Shara was a couple years older then his draft mates. Like Shara we need to give the Fitz draftee's time to mature before we right them off.
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