Prospect Info: Devils Win #2 Overall -- Slafkovsky vs. Jiricek vs. Nemec

[MartyOwns]

f*** fiala, i want no part of his next contract

 

[hidek91]

The main board seems way less optimistic about Slaf, than us and Slovakians. But I guess that always happens after draft lottery when people get a better idea who might end up where. Just slightly concerned about some of the negative comments coming from TPS fans, but majority of Finns in jatkoaika (finnish hockey forums) are very excited about him and have been way before the olympics.

The opposite is also true and we (and every other fanbase) tend to look at our prospects, potential prospects and new players through rose-tinted glasses. I remember discussions on main boards after Hamilton and Graves was signed when other fanbases warned us that we may overrate both of them a bit and I have to say after one season that they were more right than we were. On the other hand, there are examples of cases in which we were right e. g. Jack Hughes.

 

[JrFischer54]

Do you just go against the flow of the board because you're bored or what? It seems like it.

i've been pro trading this pick before we even got the #2 pick not sure what you mean i guess i can't have an my own opinion? this place would be pretty boring if everyone agreed with each other no?

I can see both sides making sense . All depends on what we could get in trade. Fiala - no thanks.It woild habe to be seen as an overpayment for me to trade the pick. A cost controlled player that can be an elite piece for us should be worth a ton.

yeah i'm not big on fiala as being legit maybe if he had more then just this year stat line. to me your trading away an unknown that could be good could also flop. your going to get back a proven nhl top line talent to play now with jack nico or on the back end. you have to trade something good to get something good. devils have enough unknowns no need to add another one if they don't have to.

sorry for having my opinion on it

 

[Lou is God]

i've been pro trading this pick before we even got the #2 pick not sure what you mean i guess i can't have an my own opinion? this place would be pretty boring if everyone agreed with each other no?

We're not even close everyone having the same opinion but it's just uncanny how you're always on the opposite side of most everyone, but you be you.

 

[JrFischer54]

Trade Holtz before the #2oa.

I wouldn't holtz already has the time in the system and should in theory be closer to contributing at the nhl level. also would probably return less then a pick a team can choose who they want to take with it.

We're not even close everyone having the same opinion but it's just uncanny how you're always on the opposite side of most everyone, but you be you.

pretty sure its like 98% pro keeping the pick and thats being generous lol so can't get much more close on the same opinion. what can i say i don't drink the kool-aide and just rather get the current foundation help then another player who may or may not pan out for the top line.

 

[devilsblood]

I wouldn't holtz already has the time in the system and should in theory be closer to contributing at the nhl level. also would probably return less then a pick a team can choose who they want to take with it.



pretty sure its like 98% pro keeping the pick and thats being generous lol so can't get much more close on the same opinion. what can i say i don't drink the kool-aide and just rather get the current foundation help then another player who may or may not pan out for the top line.

Minny might want the player that is closer? But I wonder how much closer Holtz really is. Holtz might not start this upcoming season in the NHL. I tend to think he won't.


Slaf? Could he start this year in the NHL? Not crazy, but I def think he will start next season in the NHL.

End of the day though I take the better skating big man with a good shot over the meh skating shooter every day of the week.

 

[StevenToddIves]

legit top line talent over the 2oa pick 100% any day of the week. at this point in the 10 year rebuild you have to start adding legit talent to go with the core in place. but hey thats just me i know this msg board loves its prospects and its potential with kids.

It's a different sport, but I remember in March of 1996 when the Yankees were ripped in editorials which sounded exactly like this post for their refusal to trade Derek Jeter in order to get the high-level shortstop they needed in Pokey Reese.

Trading Juraj Slafkovsky for Kevin Fiala is basically another version of trading Derek Jeter for Pokey Reese.

I find it strange how many fans would pass on the chance for a potential perennial Stanley Cup contender for more than a half decade in order to have a better chance for the 8th playoff seed next year.

 

[Forge]

Trade Holtz before the #2oa.

I am of the same mindset. I'm not in a hurry to trade Holtz, but I'd trade him before I moved #2.

 

[None Shall Pass]

Today in "Not knowing the value of right-handed defensemen"...

 

[devilsblood]

It's a different sport, but I remember in March of 1996 when the Yankees were ripped in editorials which sounded exactly like this post for their refusal to trade Derek Jeter in order to get the high-level shortstop they needed in Pokey Reese.

Trading Juraj Slafkovsky for Kevin Fiala is basically another version of trading Derek Jeter for Pokey Reese.

I find it strange how many fans would pass on the chance for a potential perennial Stanley Cup contender for more than a half decade in order to have a better chance for the 8th playoff seed next year.

Reese's rookie season was 1997, and was never considered a high level shortstop. Career high BA of .285.

Jeter's rookie season was 1996 and batted .314

I think they call this "pulling shat out your arse".

 

[StevenToddIves]

Reese's rookie season was 1997, and was never considered a high level shortstop. Career high BA of .285.

Jeter's rookie season was 1996 and batted .314

I think they call this "pulling shat out your arse".

Ah, I have the shortstop wrong. I thought it was Reese but mixed it up.

Point is, you don't trade a potential franchise cornerstone for a good player. It's just silly. Devils should not give up a chance to assemble the best core in hockey to scramble for the 8th playoff seed in the east next year.

 

[devilsblood]

Today in "Not knowing the value of right-handed defensemen"...

Or the difference between right handed D and left hand D.

Might be time we stop posting this guys tweets.

 

[MartyOwns]

Today in "Not knowing the value of right-handed defensemen"...

i don’t know who this guy is, but after seeing a few of his tweets posted this past week i have to ask if he’s got all his marbles? i mean he’s a few stupid opinions away from a hf membership

 

[StevenToddIves]

Reese's rookie season was 1997, and was never considered a high level shortstop. Career high BA of .285.

Jeter's rookie season was 1996 and batted .314

I think they call this "pulling shat out your arse".

Just looked it up. Prior to the '96 season, Seattle offered SS Felix Fermin for Mariano Rivera, but the Yankees thankfully turned it down. Also, the Yanks turned down a deal in '94 which was then-prospect Jeter for then-top closer Randy Myers.

These are the types of deals people are talking about making now. Slafkovsky's upside is simply tremendous. You'll be getting him under team control for many years, at an age where he can grow alongside Jack Hughes, Luke Hughes, Alex Holtz, Dawson Mercer, Nico Hischier and Jersper Bratt etc. etc. He's exactly the type of player to accentuate the talents of a Hughes or Bratt. Why in the name of everything holy would you trade that for Kevin Fiala?

 

[devilsblood]

Ah, I have the shortstop wrong. I thought it was Reese but mixed it up.

Point is, you don't trade a potential franchise cornerstone for a good player. It's just silly. Devils should not give up a chance to assemble the best core in hockey to scramble for the 8th playoff seed in the east next year.

Mets fans had been killing the team for trading their top prospect in Kelenic for Cano and Diaz. Now, it wasn't a great trade because Cano was shot as a player but is still getting $20 million(they recently cut him and ate the contract), and the early results on Diaz looked bad.

But fast fwd a couple years and Diaz is one of the best closers in the league while Kelenic is batting .173 in 120 career MLB games.

I'm not in favor of trading #2 oa for Fiala, but many a prospect for proven player has worked out for the team acquiring the proven player.

 

[StevenToddIves]

i don’t know who this guy is, but after seeing a few of his tweets posted this past week i have to ask if he’s got all his marbles? i mean he’s a few stupid opinions away from a hf membership

Does this guy know the Devils only have two legit prospect RDs in the entire prospect pool and neither of them have top 4 upside?

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Ah, I have the shortstop wrong. I thought it was Reese but mixed it up.

Point is, you don't trade a potential franchise cornerstone for a good player. It's just silly. Devils should not give up a chance to assemble the best core in hockey to scramble for the 8th playoff seed in the east next year.

But I can also give you many examples of the Yankees prospect hugging and missing out on getting MLB help that could’ve been the difference in a playoff run. There has been a lot of that this past decade. But it’s a totally different sport and the journey of prospect to MLBer is usually way longer and harder to predict.

 

[JrFischer54]

Minny might want the player that is closer? But I wonder how much closer Holtz really is. Holtz might not start this upcoming season in the NHL. I tend to think he won't.


Slaf? Could he start this year in the NHL? Not crazy, but I def think he will start next season in the NHL.

End of the day though I take the better skating big man with a good shot over the meh skating shooter every day of the week.

i agree with that they might want holtz so whoever gets us the biggest chip holtz or the pick. this isn't just limited to minnesota i know someone has us tied to fiala but i don't think i would move either for him.

It's a different sport, but I remember in March of 1996 when the Yankees were ripped in editorials which sounded exactly like this post for their refusal to trade Derek Jeter in order to get the high-level shortstop they needed in Pokey Reese.

Trading Juraj Slafkovsky for Kevin Fiala is basically another version of trading Derek Jeter for Pokey Reese.

I find it strange how many fans would pass on the chance for a potential perennial Stanley Cup contender for more than a half decade in order to have a better chance for the 8th playoff seed next year.

but thats assuming everything goes right and every prospect hits and exceeds their potential.

 

[devilsblood]

i agree with that they might want holtz so whoever gets us the biggest chip holtz or the pick. this isn't just limited to minnesota i know someone has us tied to fiala but i don't think i would move either for him.

I thought you wanted a proven player?

Fiala is one of the best goal scoring wingers in the league. Still pretty young too. He will require a contract though.

 

[Blackjack]

i don’t know who this guy is, but after seeing a few of his tweets posted this past week i have to ask if he’s got all his marbles? i mean he’s a few stupid opinions away from a hf membership

He's a little offbeat, trollish, and painfully contrarian, but his account was mostly fun to follow. His 2022 draft and recent Luke Hughes stuff is just straight up awful though.

 

[JrFischer54]

Mets fans had been killing the team for trading their top prospect in Kelenic for Cano and Diaz. Now, it wasn't a great trade because Cano was shot as a player but is still getting $20 million(they recently cut him and ate the contract), and the early results on Diaz looked bad.

But fast fwd a couple years and Diaz is one of the best closers in the league while Kelenic is batting .173 in 120 career MLB games.

I'm not in favor of trading #2 oa for Fiala, but many a prospect for proven player has worked out for the team acquiring the proven player.

exactly my thinking. if i'm fitz i'm willing to listen to offers and if the right type of player right age comes up for a team that needs some space i'm more then willing to listen and pull the trigger if it means getting the most out of the foundation in place.

 

[Lou is God]

but thats assuming everything goes right and every prospect hits and exceeds their potential.

Since when he is picking up NHL regulars a sure thing? What if the player you trade the #2OA was a byproduct of the previous team system or other factors that made him look better than he really was? Or they decline for unknown reasons ie Taylor Hall? Plenty other examples too where a team thought they had a sure fire top player and they regressed.

 

[Saugus]

Slafkovsky doesn't really have much in common with those two. His closest NHL comparable is probably Mikko Rantanen right now, but that's not the best comparison either. Slafkovsky is pretty unique, and comparisons are tough to begin with.

Yes, I know they're not good comparables. I'm just trying to conceptualize for myself what this player with no obvious comparable in the current NHL might play like. (I'm intrigued by the Jagr comparisons but don't really buy them, because Jagr is unique). I started with the fact that he is about the same size as Zubrus. Then I layered on what I know or have heard about his skills.

From what you say, it sounds like Slafkovsky has similarly good hands in tight and the willingness to go to rough areas of the ice as Parise did, while having a better shot and playmaking ability than Parise. He also appears to be really good on the forecheck.

So while "Parise in Zubrus's body" is not the exact right way to think of his game, it might be the closest I can get using the players I'm most familiar with (mostly former Devils).

In any case, I'm sure we can agree that if he can put all (or even most) of those elements of his game together, this guy will be scary good.

 

[Eggtimer]

i've been pro trading this pick before we even got the #2 pick not sure what you mean i guess i can't have an my own opinion? this place would be pretty boring if everyone agreed with each other no?


yeah i'm not big on fiala as being legit maybe if he had more then just this year stat line. to me your trading away an unknown that could be good could also flop. your going to get back a proven nhl top line talent to play now with jack nico or on the back end. you have to trade something good to get something good. devils have enough unknowns no need to add another one if they don't have to.

sorry for having my opinion on it

Man no need to apologize. I get it. Everyone here wants the same thing. The Devils to be the very best team possible. It’s awesome that we can all discuss and talk about what we think.

 

[JrFischer54]

I thought you wanted a proven player?

Fiala is one of the best goal scoring wingers in the league. Still pretty young too. He will require a contract though.

my concern with him is its a contract year and he puts up career numbers your going to be paying a premium on that salary because of it. outside this year his stats are good but just not convinced. what do i or anyone else on here know though. so i wouldn't hang him if fitz did trade it for him since i'm assuming they should know more then all of us combined.