Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - season begins!

[njdevils1982]

i was pumped for most of the afternoon for tonight's game vs montreal only to sit down right now and realize it's still wednesday

 

[StevenToddIves]

I'd be interested to hear about your successes here!

I predicted Adam Fox would be a perennial Norris contender before he set foot in the NHL, so I consider myself to be pretty good in this area as well. I also had Seider over Broberg which I think was pretty unusual at the time.

I don't disagree, I think he could be a low end #1, but I think he'll be the type of guy who would probably be a #2 on a cup contender. Which is why I referred to him as a top pairing dman - he could be a 1B or a 2A IMO.


It's not just the opening 9 games of this season. His struggles began at the mid-point of last season:

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How am I underselling Nemec when I essentially project him to have the same ceiling as you?

I had Adam Fox as a 1st rounder in 2016. Had Seider as a top 10 pick and Broberg as a 2nd rounder in 2019. So, agreed on all those counts. I undersold Fox, if I recall I had him #32 overall, but considering his consensus ranking was probably low 2nd/early 3rd I'm pretty happy with my assessment.

I'm not worried about Nemec's struggles. He's shown flashes of being a very good player, and most of his mistakes have been attributable to being a 19-20 year old D in the best league in the world. It's tough for 2-way defensemen to acclimate, there's just so much to learn.

Again, I agree that Seamus Casey should not be a trade candidate. Though I would not consider him to have greater ability than an Adam Fox, I'd rank him ahead of Lane Hutson, to name three young D with similar attributes and limitations.

 

[My3Sons]

I had Adam Fox as a 1st rounder in 2016. Had Seider as a top 10 pick and Broberg as a 2nd rounder in 2019. So, agreed on all those counts. I undersold Fox, if I recall I had him #32 overall, but considering his consensus ranking was probably low 2nd/early 3rd I'm pretty happy with my assessment.

I'm not worried about Nemec's struggles. He's shown flashes of being a very good player, and most of his mistakes have been attributable to being a 19-20 year old D in the best league in the world. It's tough for 2-way defensemen to acclimate, there's just so much to learn.

Again, I agree that Seamus Casey should not be a trade candidate. Though I would not consider him to have greater ability than an Adam Fox, I'd rank him ahead of Lane Hutson, to name three young D with similar attributes and limitations.

You’ve had more hits than that. You knew Samberg was a player and you’ve called some guys that were flawed also. @WhiskeyYerTheDevils i will vouch for STI’s evaluation of defenders. Especially thr unheralded guys who have more to their game than may meet the eye.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

I wish @WhiskeyYerTheDevils would post in our sub a bit more. I always look forward to reading his posts. Same for @StevenToddIves prospect analysis , @Brodeur and his awesome hockey travel/draft stories & @Jason MacIsaac whom I belive is/was a real hockey scout.

 

[glenwo2]

We need more @WhiskeyYerTheDevils and less Jack Daniels.

 

[devilsfan950003]

Utica is bad because they're not willing to spend big on UFA AHLers and they don't have any big-time prospects there besides Casey. As I said in the AHL thread, they should have a good defense there, though - they have decent AHLers + Vilen + Casey.



Foote has played 202 games in the 5+ seasons since he has been drafted. That is a ridiculously small number but because of COVID and injuries it's what he's done. He could use a good run of games down there playing big minutes instead of playing 7 minutes with a nothing 4th line.

Foote should be sent up to play left wing on that 4th line, nice shot, slow as hell. He would have to pass through waivers I think if he was sent down again. Not sure what to do about Tatar? How about Chase Stillman? He's a fast skater, endless motor, plays mostly right wing but has played center before. Could they give Stillman a try at center?

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

You guys are actually crazy wanting to move Nemec or Casey and keeping Dougie

 

[NJDevs26]

While I'm not really in the trade Nemec or Casey camp at this time I think it's foolish to assume we're automatically going to get the worse of a trade just because we don't want to trade one of them, it's not like we're gonna trade them for Paul Cotter 2.0 and a third rounder. Or assume that it'll be easy to move Dougie when the time comes, who multiple teams have already moved on from when he was closer to his peak.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

You’ve had more hits than that. You knew Samberg was a player and you’ve called some guys that were flawed also. @WhiskeyYerTheDevils i will vouch for STI’s evaluation of defenders. Especially thr unheralded guys who have more to their game than may meet the eye.

yea idk who this @WhiskeyYerTheDevils guy is. Name change? Didn't see that name till this year. Seeing these claims about getting prospect predictions right when Idk the guy is pretty funny to me since I've been following that area for a while on this board.

Or assume that it'll be easy to move Dougie when the time comes, who multiple teams have already moved on from when he was closer to his peak.

I don't necessarily think it'll be easy, but it's something they probably have to do

 

[Darkauron]

Whiskey doesn't even show up to our fourms most of the time. He is nothing compared to STI

 

[Xirik]

yea idk who this @WhiskeyYerTheDevils guy is. Name change? Didn't see that name till this year. Seeing these claims about getting prospect predictions right when Idk the guy is pretty funny to me since I've been following that area for a while on this board.



I don't necessarily think it'll be easy, but it's something they probably have to do

Whiskey doesn't even show up to our fourms most of the time. He is nothing compared to STI

He's posts on the mainboards and draft/prospect boards for years and before I started being around here. He is knowledgeable even though I don't agree on all his takes.

 

[Bad Goalie]

If they end up sending Nemec down then an AHL D of Casey/Misyul/White/Nemec/Vilen is pretty crazy. The forward group is so bad though

Foote should be sent up to play left wing on that 4th line, nice shot, slow as hell. He would have to pass through waivers I think if he was sent down again. Not sure what to do about Tatar? How about Chase Stillman? He's a fast skater, endless motor, plays mostly right wing but has played center before. Could they give Stillman a try at center?

Foote has been playing mostly RW in Utica.