Wow. When you describe it that way you wonder why NJ ever traded him. Great minor league career and overachiever and very good seasons . He really is something special .
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Wow. When you describe it that way you wonder why NJ ever traded him. Great minor league career and overachiever and very good seasons . He really is something special .
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Palat doesn’t have any more friends on this free website. One of the worst contracts of Fitz executive career, which I remind you, started in 2015 with the Devils.
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Well I wouldn’t blame him for much from 2015-2020 because he wasn’t the head guy in charge.
But I would say that contract is THE worst since he has been running things and not one of the worst. I think it’s fair to say that contract is the THE worst one we’ve given since 2015 or post-Lou
The last contract as bad or worse was probably the Cory contract, which even he had a Vezina contending season during the first year of that contract. I think most loved that contract when it was signed, he just broke down and got old early.
While it was universally agreed upon that the Palat contract would at least become bad soon, if it wasn’t already. We never even got a 40 point season out of him. We may have in 22-23 if he didn’t miss almost half the season, he at least paced for close to that.
Judging by his ice time, I think the staff/org recognizes he’s a real problem right now. I’m not sure if a healthy scratch is imminent, but with that kind of ice time I wouldn’t count it out.
Andre Palot
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I'm still his friend.
He hasn't been good, but I'm doubting he is now this bad. I think it's more a stretch of bad play more then him not being an NHL caliber player anymore.
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You could argue it’s worse, because Clowe was just two hits away from permanent LTIR, which we knew when we signed it. That was the rationale of it at the time.
“Well, if it doesn’t work out, LTIR he goes”
And he did. Early in just his second season here.
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Yep, Clowe's question was more health and they clearly had the health out. Palat...we were counting on him having at least one actual good season here before the decline started, but his first season was what I hoped his second season would be, his second season was what I feared his third season might be and his third season so far has been what I knew his fourth would be.
That said, I'm not AS worried about getting Palat out of the lineup asap because one, he's already been marginalized anyway and they don't really have a 'better' option. Two, you're already paying him (buyout ain't an option until the offseason and you can't dump him in Utica to save much cap even if you wanted to and he couldn't block the move) so you might as well use the early part of the regular season to try to get something out of the deal before you get into must-win games.
That said, I'm not AS worried about getting Palat out of the lineup asap because one, he's already been marginalized anyway and they don't really have a 'better' option. Two, you're already paying him (buyout ain't an option until the offseason and you can't dump him in Utica to save much cap even if you wanted to and he couldn't block the move) so you might as well use the early part of the regular season to try to get something out of the deal before you get into must-win games.
theoptimist
Thank you, Fitz
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I'm beginning in 2015 because I don't think any healthy organization makes decisions in silos (as in, Shero, and Shero only, was involved in player and coach assignments). Fitz wasn't a water boy or something either, he was the AGM.
I don't hate the player, but the contract is abysmal. Palat in a 4th line role is not terrible, it's just financially wasteful. We have Tatar (again) because of the Palat contract.
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Palat’s contract was bad the day it was signed. Not really needing hindsight for that one. I think most agreed.
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This team goes nowhere without drastic improvement from Jack. It's obvious. The kid's 6th year in the league and he still can't be trusted to take faceoffs as a fraudulent "elite" C. As stated previously, no, faceoffs aren't mission critical for him so save the strawman rebuttals. However, his apparent unwillingness to work on them AT ALL screams lack of maturity....even if you ignore his temper tantrums and pouting over the years.
Some of us realized Jack's game had plateaued under Grandpa Lindy. He needs tough love to grow at this point, similar to MacKinnon previously. He's not using his teammates efficiently. He holds the puck too long. Worst of all, he constantly takes away teammates by skating into their space, often bringing a defender with him and eliminating a passing option. One assist here and there doesn't make up for constant turnovers. His minutes better drop soon to send a message.
Sure, he should have a couple more assists if guys finished. Reality is you can say that for every single top playmaker in the league. So that's a pretty naïve crutch to lean on.
Some of us realized Jack's game had plateaued under Grandpa Lindy. He needs tough love to grow at this point, similar to MacKinnon previously. He's not using his teammates efficiently. He holds the puck too long. Worst of all, he constantly takes away teammates by skating into their space, often bringing a defender with him and eliminating a passing option. One assist here and there doesn't make up for constant turnovers. His minutes better drop soon to send a message.
Sure, he should have a couple more assists if guys finished. Reality is you can say that for every single top playmaker in the league. So that's a pretty naïve crutch to lean on.
Most on here certainly did not agree. The few of us who criticized it were chastised.
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I strongly disliked it from day 1. I suspect we almost certainly have to buy him out after this year to make room for Luke if he has a big year or we want him signed long-term.
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Why does every post have to be framed as you as the omniscient one with everyone else having rejected your brilliance?
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Seriously…portraying Palat as something only one or two people were criticizing at the time is blatantly misremembering and conflating anyone at all criticizing your opinion with everyone having a hive mind
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Definitely seems split at best, especially after the terms came out. I’m not even embarrassed to be on the ‘wrong’ side cause I don’t think even the cynics thought he’d be as bad on the ice as he’s been this soon - dating back to his ‘second’ season. I’m more annoyed he’s been a disappointment the first three years than I am hand wringing over the last two.
Confirmed with Link: - Weekesbomb: Palat to NJ for five-year deal
Definitely wasn’t a panic move. Was just Fitz overvaluing and chasing grit and experience and championship pedigree. Anything at $5m or more per year is going to be ugly.
Definitely seems split at best, especially after the terms came out. I’m not even embarrassed to be on the ‘wrong’ side cause I don’t think even the cynics thought he’d be as bad on the ice as he’s been this soon - dating back to his ‘second’ season. I’m more annoyed he’s been a disappointment the first three years than I am hand wringing over the last two.
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Jack's faceoff abilities which admittedly weren't good, are without question negatively effected by the shoulder.
And the idea that his game plateaued is......I don't even know what to call it. Early last year he looked like the best player the Devils have ever had. Wasn't he near 2 ppg? I saw no sign of a plateau but if there was a plateau it was at a superstar level.
Then he hurt his shoulder again. Is that the plateau you are talking about?
If you want to critique him for being injury prone, or to small and unwilling to get stronger, I think there is something to that. But the way you've framed it doesn't make sense.
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Seriously…portraying Palat as something only one or two people were criticizing at the time is blatantly misremembering and conflating anyone at all criticizing your opinion with everyone having a hive mind
Confirmed with Link: - Weekesbomb: Palat to NJ for five-year deal
Definitely wasn’t a panic move. Was just Fitz overvaluing and chasing grit and experience and championship pedigree. Anything at $5m or more per year is going to be ugly.
Definitely seems split at best, especially after the terms came out. I’m not even embarrassed to be on the ‘wrong’ side cause I don’t think even the cynics thought he’d be as bad on the ice as he’s been this soon - dating back to his ‘second’ season.
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This clown didn’t even know that Arizona wouldn’t be a team anymore
There was definitely a fair amount of critics at the time.Seriously…portraying Palat as something only one or two people were criticizing at the time is blatantly misremembering and conflating anyone at all criticizing your opinion with everyone having a hive mind
Confirmed with Link: - Weekesbomb: Palat to NJ for five-year deal
Definitely wasn’t a panic move. Was just Fitz overvaluing and chasing grit and experience and championship pedigree. Anything at $5m or more per year is going to be ugly.
Definitely seems split at best, especially after the terms came out. I’m not even embarrassed to be on the ‘wrong’ side cause I don’t think even the cynics thought he’d be as bad on the ice as he’s been this soon - dating back to his ‘second’ season.
I liked the deal, I thought it sent a message that we were no longer looking to build via the draft, we were now looking to win.
Was it an overpay? Yeah that was obvious from the start, but that is free agency for you.
Now the bloom was a little off the rose in year 1 when, while he was out with injury, the team was looking great. But he did have a huge moment in the playoffs which was a big reason we brought him in.
I thought last year he was fine, even if he was unproductive. This year he has been bad, but I'm pretty confident his game will improve. Just seems odd that he is now this far below NHL quality. And it's not like he is the only one with terrible numbers right now. Lazar's numbers are also terrible. Haula's on ice numbers also not good. Some want more of Casey who has terrible on ice numbers in super sheltered minutes. Palat as the whipping boy has provided a lot of cover for other guys.
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Nico's been fantastic. Depth guys like Noesen and Cotter have been great. Jack needs to figure it out. And we need Pesce and Luke back asap.
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I dont know about the specifics of the advanced stats, but I felt even Connor McDavid went through this a bit where his brilliant production and offensive wizardry still wasnt leading to the results he and his team wanted
McDavid is the best player by far in this league and even he has been finding more gears at ages 25-26-27 etc... Jack is only 23 for this entire season and is learning the same as Connor, I feel
No I dont think he becomes Connor McDavid of course lol; I think he learns to round out his game and figure out his issues and works toward fixing them
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Yea Nico has been great. He was great offensively last year 5 on 5 but not so much defensively. So far this year he has been both. He’s at almost a 60% xGF and a ppg. I love him
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