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Well, we did more out of our goaltenders then the Habs got out of Price this season.
The Habs paid $14,677,521 for their shitty goaltending by crap committee and they’re only paying 5 dudes.
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Well, we did more out of our goaltenders then the Habs got out of Price this season.
The Habs paid $14,677,521 for their shitty goaltending by crap committee and they’re only paying 5 dudes.
Thanks both of you. I just wanted to see where the Devils were at with the goalie situation.
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I like your thinking and I agree 100%. We need an upgraded 3rd line. The question is what do we do with the likes of Johnsson, Kuokkanen, Tatar. They have one year left on their deals.
I think Fitzy priority has to be goaltending and continue to revamp the defense with Subban’s likely departure. There is no good veteran 3C as free agents, unless we sign at Trocheck for that role, whom will cost at least $6m per season. It’s probably a worthwhile investment because Trocheck is the perfect age for us. He can score and play defense. And is very good on faceoffs, which is what we need so we don’t overuse McLeod. And I like the signing because it keeps Mercer at wing, which I think he is better suited for.
In an ideal world, I like to dump both Zacha and Tatar and sign both Trocheck and Nuke.
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Kuokkanen will be the plug and play 13th forward who can fill anywhere in the bottom six.
Unfortunately that leaves Boqvist without a role. He just isnt suited to playing a heavy game, which is why I prefer McLeod as 4C. Maybe we carry him as an additional forward or he can become a “thrown in” trade asset.
Been a few weeks since I looked at the primary production of the Mercer, Lafreniere, Stutzle, Raymond, Zegras group. Mercer still leading the pack
At 5v5 Mercer comes out looking way better
Mercer leads both of these groups in both raw primary production and per 60 primary production.
Edit: This is also Mercer's first pro year while all of the other 5 have at played a pro season before this and 3 of them had multiple pro years before this.
Mercer - 16 goals, 21 primary assists for 37
Lafreniere - 15 + 5 = 20
Stutzle - 15 + 9 = 34
Raymond - 22 + 14 = 36
Zegras - 18 + 17 = 35
Lundell too but he's played far fewer minutes. In terms of per 60 Mercer edges him out by 0.01. It's 1.88 vs 1.89
At 5v5 Mercer comes out looking way better
Mercer - 13 + 17 = 30
Laf - 15 + 3 = 18
Stutzle - 9 + 8 = 17
Raymond - 15 + 7 = 22
Zegras - 11 + 13 = 24
Lundell's at 1.78 5v5 P/60 and Mercer 1.84
Mercer leads both of these groups in both raw primary production and per 60 primary production.
Edit: This is also Mercer's first pro year while all of the other 5 have at played a pro season before this and 3 of them had multiple pro years before this.
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Thats the thing ... what to do with Johnson Tatar Zacha. IN a perfect world , Id like them gone and Nuke , Trochek and one of Neideriedder or Marchment. Trochek will cost a lot I think , i am not good at predicting UFA costs. I wouldnt have thought 6 mil but i honestly dont know. I would almost over pay for Nuke than Trochek... its close ... I would love both of them plus one more guy that has a nasty streak , hits , good defensively , blocks shots , heavy in the corners and good at puck retrieval , can stand in front of the net and beat in garbage goals or defelctions.
Watching Nuke , I am very impressed. He is noticeable every shift ( in a good way) On a very highly skilled Avs team , they use him on the PP , PK1 , up by one goal protecting a lead with a minute left. I love the way he plays and still is skilled enough to be very effective and produces at a line 2 rate or even higher. Avs will have a very hard time paying him after a career year. They have Kadri Burakovsky Keumper needing contracts too
Just read that Hischier reaching 200 points in his career makes him just the 2d player from the 2017 draft to reach that milestone. Pedersen of Vancouver has 209 points. Statistically that’s not much difference. Unsure who’s trailing Nico and by how many points.
no need to fire fitz, if he trades hughes and hischier for the rights to talk to lou and whatever cap dump needed to get it done. once lou comes back, he can demote himself to assistant gm.
hammond isn't the waste. schnarr was the waste. if he would ever result in anything on the nhl level is in question. i don't mind the transaction, as long as the development of daws and not results is the focus of this trade.
if they still let daws get destroyed playing back to backs, it was really a bad decision.
let's first become a playoff contender with drafted players on reasonable contracts, before clustering all our cap space with expensive ufa contracts. hamilton was kind of forgiveable, as the farm system has nothing in regards of rhd. but the devils have enough centers, wings and lhd to develop their own players for the suggested roles.
sure it would be nice to have the third line you mentioned. but it's a luxury. i rather spend the cap elsewhere (bratt, mercer, holtz, siegenthaler, goalie???)
Just checked out how Wedge has fared this season, and he was pretty good in Arizona. 26 gp's, .911 save%.
I'm in on the "it's the goalies" narrative, but sometimes you wonder.
I also just noticed that Gillies has played on 6 different teams this year. That's impressive.
I'm in on the "it's the goalies" narrative, but sometimes you wonder.
I also just noticed that Gillies has played on 6 different teams this year. That's impressive.
Dryden McCay.
You sent me on a bit of a wild goose chase.
Only issue I see is he is listed at 5'11".
I know the league has gone huge in net overall, not sure how many sub 6' outliers there are.
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Lindy Ruff, New Jersey Devils
Ruff is an outlier on this list in that he has one more year left on his deal with the Devils. But given the persistently uneven play of this team and the general lack of patience ownership in New Jersey has shown in the past, it’s hard to imagine that GM Tom Fitzgerald won’t be looking to see if there is a coach who could get more out of this talented young squad. Sure, a lot of this team’s problems are rooted in a lack of quality goaltending, but they are also a team that has yet to fully embrace an identity and a style of play that makes them playoff worthy. As of this writing, the Devils have a minus-50 goal differential, just eight road wins, fewest in the NHL, and are 30th in goals allowed per game. The last two seasons they were 28th and 29th. There’s a trend here and it’s not a pretty one and it may suggest a change is needed for a team that is about to miss the playoffs for the ninth time in the last 10 seasons and hasn’t won a round since its fluke run to the ’12 Stanley Cup final.
So, who is available to fill some of these and other coaching spots that might pop up?
We mentioned Tocchet and (later in this article) Bruce Boudreau, pending what happens in Vancouver, and Quinn, who probably didn’t get a fair showing in New York and will have learned from his stint with the Rangers. We could see Quinn in New Jersey or Philadelphia. Does Paul Maurice have another run in him? Former Jack Adams winner Bob Hartley is just back from a successful four-year run in the Kontinental Hockey League where he won a championship. Also filling out the roster of coaches with NHL experience are Claude Julien and Mike Babcock, although Julien’s age – he’ll turn 62 before the end of the month – and Babcock’s checkered past vis a vis relationships with players may be factors in their returning to full-time gigs. Lambert deserves a shot somewhere. Montgomery has slowly been rebuilding his career with his role on Craig Berube’s staff in St. Louis after alcohol issues led to Montgomery’s firing in Dallas. If the Blues go on a long run, Montgomery’s stock will rise again. Coaches making a name for themselves with strong American Hockey League seasons include longtime NHLer and former NHL head coach Kevin Dineen, who has guided Vancouver’s top farm team, Utica, to the top of the North Division; and Ryan Warsofsky, who has the Chicago Wolves at the top of the AHL’s Central Division standings. At some point an NHL team will look beyond North America, won’t it? If so, Rikard Gronborg has been on a number of NHL teams’ radars in the past and has a strong resume.
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Ruff is an outlier on this list in that he has one more year left on his deal with the Devils. But given the persistently uneven play of this team and the general lack of patience ownership in New Jersey has shown in the past, it’s hard to imagine that GM Tom Fitzgerald won’t be looking to see if there is a coach who could get more out of this talented young squad. Sure, a lot of this team’s problems are rooted in a lack of quality goaltending, but they are also a team that has yet to fully embrace an identity and a style of play that makes them playoff worthy. As of this writing, the Devils have a minus-50 goal differential, just eight road wins, fewest in the NHL, and are 30th in goals allowed per game. The last two seasons they were 28th and 29th. There’s a trend here and it’s not a pretty one and it may suggest a change is needed for a team that is about to miss the playoffs for the ninth time in the last 10 seasons and hasn’t won a round since its fluke run to the ’12 Stanley Cup final.
So, who is available to fill some of these and other coaching spots that might pop up?
We mentioned Tocchet and (later in this article) Bruce Boudreau, pending what happens in Vancouver, and Quinn, who probably didn’t get a fair showing in New York and will have learned from his stint with the Rangers. We could see Quinn in New Jersey or Philadelphia. Does Paul Maurice have another run in him? Former Jack Adams winner Bob Hartley is just back from a successful four-year run in the Kontinental Hockey League where he won a championship. Also filling out the roster of coaches with NHL experience are Claude Julien and Mike Babcock, although Julien’s age – he’ll turn 62 before the end of the month – and Babcock’s checkered past vis a vis relationships with players may be factors in their returning to full-time gigs. Lambert deserves a shot somewhere. Montgomery has slowly been rebuilding his career with his role on Craig Berube’s staff in St. Louis after alcohol issues led to Montgomery’s firing in Dallas. If the Blues go on a long run, Montgomery’s stock will rise again. Coaches making a name for themselves with strong American Hockey League seasons include longtime NHLer and former NHL head coach Kevin Dineen, who has guided Vancouver’s top farm team, Utica, to the top of the North Division; and Ryan Warsofsky, who has the Chicago Wolves at the top of the AHL’s Central Division standings. At some point an NHL team will look beyond North America, won’t it? If so, Rikard Gronborg has been on a number of NHL teams’ radars in the past and has a strong resume.
Burnside: Forecasting the future for 12 NHL coaches in flux
The coaching carousel will be extremely busy this off-season. Who stays and who goes?
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That is misleading though right? Cause you pay only the prorated portion of the salary / cap when they are on the roster. Like Hammond and Gillies did not eat 750k each in cap/salary from NJ this year. But Bernier/Blackwood/Schneider I think got their full salary.
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I agree with CJ. Was thinking about the Devs with respect to GAR in another way. It used to be that a team that had about 100 GAR for the team was usually a playoff team. Not sure if they have changed the formula but the Devils have 3 legit chances at 15-20 GAR players with Nico, Jack and Bratt. If Dougie could bounce back he should be a high GAR player as well. IMO the rest of the team could get the 40 or so we need if we get relatively injury free seasons from those 4 and a bounce back from Dougie. The obvious goal tending improvement as well.
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Boudreau and Montgomery are the most interesting names for me. I hope the Flyers will hire Quinn so we dodge a bullet there. I think he is another Dave Hakstol or Mike Yeo, that is, a bad coach. I don't know what to think about Tocchet, Maurice, Julien and Hartley. No to Babcock. Dineen started hot with the Comets, but the team has been mediocre lately.Lindy Ruff, New Jersey Devils
Ruff is an outlier on this list in that he has one more year left on his deal with the Devils. But given the persistently uneven play of this team and the general lack of patience ownership in New Jersey has shown in the past, it’s hard to imagine that GM Tom Fitzgerald won’t be looking to see if there is a coach who could get more out of this talented young squad. Sure, a lot of this team’s problems are rooted in a lack of quality goaltending, but they are also a team that has yet to fully embrace an identity and a style of play that makes them playoff worthy. As of this writing, the Devils have a minus-50 goal differential, just eight road wins, fewest in the NHL, and are 30th in goals allowed per game. The last two seasons they were 28th and 29th. There’s a trend here and it’s not a pretty one and it may suggest a change is needed for a team that is about to miss the playoffs for the ninth time in the last 10 seasons and hasn’t won a round since its fluke run to the ’12 Stanley Cup final.
So, who is available to fill some of these and other coaching spots that might pop up?
We mentioned Tocchet and (later in this article) Bruce Boudreau, pending what happens in Vancouver, and Quinn, who probably didn’t get a fair showing in New York and will have learned from his stint with the Rangers. We could see Quinn in New Jersey or Philadelphia. Does Paul Maurice have another run in him? Former Jack Adams winner Bob Hartley is just back from a successful four-year run in the Kontinental Hockey League where he won a championship. Also filling out the roster of coaches with NHL experience are Claude Julien and Mike Babcock, although Julien’s age – he’ll turn 62 before the end of the month – and Babcock’s checkered past vis a vis relationships with players may be factors in their returning to full-time gigs. Lambert deserves a shot somewhere. Montgomery has slowly been rebuilding his career with his role on Craig Berube’s staff in St. Louis after alcohol issues led to Montgomery’s firing in Dallas. If the Blues go on a long run, Montgomery’s stock will rise again. Coaches making a name for themselves with strong American Hockey League seasons include longtime NHLer and former NHL head coach Kevin Dineen, who has guided Vancouver’s top farm team, Utica, to the top of the North Division; and Ryan Warsofsky, who has the Chicago Wolves at the top of the AHL’s Central Division standings. At some point an NHL team will look beyond North America, won’t it? If so, Rikard Gronborg has been on a number of NHL teams’ radars in the past and has a strong resume.
Burnside: Forecasting the future for 12 NHL coaches in flux
The coaching carousel will be extremely busy this off-season. Who stays and who goes?
ChicksDigTheTrap
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While I do not disagree Fitz should be looking for other coaching candidates I do not agree that the Devils ownership has shown a general lack of patience. I think they get that this rebuild would take about 8 years and acted accordingly.
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Some of those potential names are gross.Lindy Ruff, New Jersey Devils
Ruff is an outlier on this list in that he has one more year left on his deal with the Devils. But given the persistently uneven play of this team and the general lack of patience ownership in New Jersey has shown in the past, it’s hard to imagine that GM Tom Fitzgerald won’t be looking to see if there is a coach who could get more out of this talented young squad. Sure, a lot of this team’s problems are rooted in a lack of quality goaltending, but they are also a team that has yet to fully embrace an identity and a style of play that makes them playoff worthy. As of this writing, the Devils have a minus-50 goal differential, just eight road wins, fewest in the NHL, and are 30th in goals allowed per game. The last two seasons they were 28th and 29th. There’s a trend here and it’s not a pretty one and it may suggest a change is needed for a team that is about to miss the playoffs for the ninth time in the last 10 seasons and hasn’t won a round since its fluke run to the ’12 Stanley Cup final.
So, who is available to fill some of these and other coaching spots that might pop up?
We mentioned Tocchet and (later in this article) Bruce Boudreau, pending what happens in Vancouver, and Quinn, who probably didn’t get a fair showing in New York and will have learned from his stint with the Rangers. We could see Quinn in New Jersey or Philadelphia. Does Paul Maurice have another run in him? Former Jack Adams winner Bob Hartley is just back from a successful four-year run in the Kontinental Hockey League where he won a championship. Also filling out the roster of coaches with NHL experience are Claude Julien and Mike Babcock, although Julien’s age – he’ll turn 62 before the end of the month – and Babcock’s checkered past vis a vis relationships with players may be factors in their returning to full-time gigs. Lambert deserves a shot somewhere. Montgomery has slowly been rebuilding his career with his role on Craig Berube’s staff in St. Louis after alcohol issues led to Montgomery’s firing in Dallas. If the Blues go on a long run, Montgomery’s stock will rise again. Coaches making a name for themselves with strong American Hockey League seasons include longtime NHLer and former NHL head coach Kevin Dineen, who has guided Vancouver’s top farm team, Utica, to the top of the North Division; and Ryan Warsofsky, who has the Chicago Wolves at the top of the AHL’s Central Division standings. At some point an NHL team will look beyond North America, won’t it? If so, Rikard Gronborg has been on a number of NHL teams’ radars in the past and has a strong resume.
Burnside: Forecasting the future for 12 NHL coaches in flux
The coaching carousel will be extremely busy this off-season. Who stays and who goes?
And doesn’t he know Utica is now the Devils farm team and not Vancouver’s anymore? Come on man….
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Gillies has been here awhile even if he hasn't played a whole lot.
Plus we are talking 2 guys who make very little, maybe changes the number a little but not a whole lot.
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Agreed, and I think Montgomery is the front runner here. Boudreau, Montgomery and Gronborg are all interesting names, although I would be slightly hesitant to add a guy with zero NHL experience when the Devils need to hit on this next hire.
Tocchet and Tortorella are probably better suited for teams that are structured differently. I'm a little concerned that they would neuter skill players like Jack and Bratt.
Almost all of the other names are garbage.
Re: Dineen, the Utica Comets stopped shooting 12% and having their goalies save 92% of the shots, you're always going to win a lot of games when your team is doing this for any extended stretch. I'm not sure how good Utica's going to be next season either, they figure to lose a lot up front and aren't gaining a whole lot.
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I'm highly skeptical that this isn't a 29 year old journeyman (who played like all of about 40 NHL games before this year over 6 years and several of those years without even a single game played in the NHL) and mostly AHL goalie having a career year.
There have been some goalies that really had little to no career to speak of in the NHL in their 20's and really made an NHL career for themselves/had their best years in their 30's. Scott Clemmensen being one we're familiar with, Curtis McElhinney being another. Carter Hutton as well. So it can't be ruled out that this could be the beginning of him having a modest NHL career for a few seasons, but color me skeptical.
That said, he was a bit better in Arizona than Karel Vejmelka, who is a BAD goalie (not Devils goalie bad) who some of our fellow posters were pining and longing for at one point due to bad cases of Gillies Syndrome. And it was rationalized that he stands on his head in Arizona and has stolen some games. Because it some people's minds it's not at all possible for a BAD team to also feature a VERY BAD goalie. It's gotta be assumed the goalie isn't bad because he plays on a bad team.
When Anton Forsberg inevitably has another mediocre to bad season next year (his norm) after a career year this season, it will be said that it's the Ottawa Senators fault, despite the fact that he was considerably above the league average on those same Ottawa Senators this year, while others weren't.
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