Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part XXIV

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The only thing that might save Recchi’s ass is if they want to see what Holtz can do on the PP…..
It better not. He has to go
I’d actually say what could save Recchi’s ass as bad as the PP has been is Jack and probabky some of the other players seem to like him. Our young superstar liking him and telling Fitz that could legitimately help keep him his job even tough it shouldn’t.
 

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Those lousy team point totals are also padded with all the OTL and S0 points which keep teams in close in a race they have no business being in. The powers that be made those adjustments to make it look like the league has such "parity".
Those OT loss points don’t actually have that big of an impact. The two teams with the most points gained from OT loses got 14 and then 12 and the two teams with the least got 5. And then everyone else was in between that. So the biggest difference between the 5 and 14 OT lose teams is 9. Otherwise the differences caused by the OT loses is for the most in the 1-5 point range which really isn’t huge.

Will give you that the bottom half of the league has gained more points in Ot than the top half. 153 vs 124. On average bottom 16 teams have gotten 1.8 more points than top 16 teams from OT and shootout losses. Not really a drastic difference.
 
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I'm all for a play in round - 20 teams make the playoffs, 8 teams play in the play-in round, 7 v 10, 8 v 9. The regular season is goosed up with two game states that do not exist in playoff hockey, and the real problem with the playoffs isn't who qualifies and who doesn't, but that being the number 1 seed gets you a whole one more home game than the 8 seed. There should be more of an advantage to finishing higher in the standings, and that advantage could be 'not having to play in the play-in round'. Don't want to play in the play-in round? Finish higher than 7th in the conference.
Agree entirely.

A play-in would create real drama at the end of the season. Pens and Caps are separated by 1 point. Bruins are only 2 points up on the Pens, and are only 3 points back of the Lightning. All of a sudden, those teams would have something pretty meaningful to play for at the end of the season. Or at least more meaningful that they've had this year.
 
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Once Lindy goes, Nas has to go too, I’m sorry. This guy isn’t Larry Robinson where you can just keep him here through staff after staff. And Recchi needs to go even more than those two.
Nailed it.

Nas had to go the first time when Hynes was given the boot.

It was not the right move for Fitz to keep him on as an assistant to begin with.



Like it’s been said before, coaching staffs like to have continuity . I can’t see them letting one assistant go and keep the others. It’s almost like they are a package deal. That’s why I didn’t understand how when Hynes was fired, the rest of the staff didn’t get fired too. More time than not , the head coach likes to pick his own assistants.
If Ruff stays , I’d like to shit can the rest of the coaching staff and have Ruff pick his own assistants. I’m not saying I want Ruff back , but if he is , then habe him pick his assistants.
I think it’s time for Ruff to go but only if we have a good replacement lined up .
At the very least Recchi has to go though. He has no excuses to not be fired.
He has been responsible for a bottom 5 PP for over 2 seasons now. There is no excuse for that . The players he has are good enough to not be bottom 5. Maybe not the ideal roster make for a perfect PP setup it still.
Shit goaltendig is not an excuse for the shit PP. It is 100% on him for not beig able to find a setup that works with what he has to work with.

The only thing that might save Recchi’s ass is if they want to see what Holtz can do on the PP…..
It better not. He has to go
EXACTLY. It made zero sense then and makes zero sense now.

The puck is on Fitz's stick. All he has to do is hit the wide open net (ie fire Nas, Recchi, and more than likely Ruff).
 
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Nailed it.

Nas had to go the first time when Hynes was given the boot.

It was not the right move for Fitz to keep him on as an assistant to begin with.




EXACTLY. It made zero sense then and makes zero sense now.

The puck is on Fitz's stick. All he has to do is hit the wide open net (ie fire Nas, Recchi, and more than likely Ruff).

Bizarre. The open net is firing Ruff. The new head coach then should be able to pick their own assistants. If they want to keep Nas or Recchi on, then so be it. I can't imagine a world where that happens and I'd seriously question Fitz's judgement in hiring the new person. But, you have to give the new coach freedom to pick whoever they think is best.

If they fired the assistants and kept Ruff, I'd say Fitz needs to go. That kind of move is really just showing that Ruff is Fitz's puppet.
 

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A guy I totally forgot about was Vesey. I'm curious what happens with him next year. I didn't mind what he brought to the team. If anything I like him more than Kuokkanen who I had high hopes for but has been relatively underwhelming IMO.
 

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I think Nasredine will have a head coaching job in the league some day that's not interim. There are several paths to it. Either he will first succeed in a head job in the AHL, or at a competitive College Hockey program, or become a top assistant at an NHL club that either wins a cup or achieves striking success. To realize any of these scenarios, it would be good for him if he and the Devils part ways at some point in the not too distant future. Start down that road on one fork or another.
 

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I think Nasredine will have a head coaching job in the league some day that's not interim. There are several paths to it. Either he will first succeed in a head job in the AHL, or at a competitive College Hockey program, or become a top assistant at an NHL club that either wins a cup or achieves striking success. To realize any of these scenarios, it would be good for him if he and the Devils part ways at some point in the not too distant future. Start down that road on one fork or another.
Although I agree that he may be a head coach someday I think that college route is very unlikely. Is there many or any coaches that have gone from NHL assistant to college coach? And then back as an NHL head coach. I could see the AHL route but I think the most likely is if he does well enough over time as an assistant coach he will get a head coaching opportunity. It seems that he is highly viewed and as some have suggested the Devils may have been grooming him to be an eventual head coach. There’s also a decent chance he is one of the candidates the devils look at as Ruff’s replacement.
 
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If Fitz keeps Recchi , I have no idea what he is doing anymore.
Fitz said last off-season in the post season interviews that the PP was a massive need to address. He said it cost them games and is one of the more important issues he needed to address.
Fast forward to this year and the PP was as bad , if not even worse. Once again the PP let us down over and over. It had nothing to do with shit goaltendig.it’s a separate issue.
We added a top 5 PP D in Hamilton , had Bratt and Hughes breakout , Nico playimg amazing , yet the PP was still garbage…..
Fitz has to know that the PP was shit and absolutely needs to be fixed need year or once again we will miss the playoffs. That’s is even if we fix the goaltending. Yes goaltending is #1 to fix but after that , PP is right up there for importance . If Recchi does NOT get fired…. I have to question if Fitz can do his job amd if he should be replaced with someone who can.
Fit’s has done very well with most issues , nut not fixing the PP should place him on the hot seat if he keeps Recchi .
Ruff needs to go too. We’re a joke if we keep Ruff.

This isn’t years one and two of the rebuild. A head coach can’t survive this.

If we keep Ruff and start next season really poorly, then Fitz is a complete jackass for even going into this season with the same staff.

Hynes shouldn’t have been ganked after the 18-19 season ended, because we had just made the playoffs the year before. We might not have liked him and wanted him gone, but I don’t think it was outlandish to keep going into the next year, however he should have been gone whenever the Fitz to the bench experiment started.

It’s time for Ruff to go. It’s not his fault, but he’s also not helping.
 

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A guy I totally forgot about was Vesey. I'm curious what happens with him next year. I didn't mind what he brought to the team. If anything I like him more than Kuokkanen who I had high hopes for but has been relatively underwhelming IMO.
With guys like Zetterlund and Tyce around I do not see any room for Vesey. If the team cannot find a way to move AJ and/or Tatar there will already be blockers around.
 

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A guy I totally forgot about was Vesey. I'm curious what happens with him next year. I didn't mind what he brought to the team. If anything I like him more than Kuokkanen who I had high hopes for but has been relatively underwhelming IMO.
No room for him . Wood coming back and Zetterlund and others competing for a roster spot . He was decent for us but not good enough to warrant resigning him.
 

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Bizarre. The open net is firing Ruff. The new head coach then should be able to pick their own assistants. If they want to keep Nas or Recchi on, then so be it. I can't imagine a world where that happens and I'd seriously question Fitz's judgement in hiring the new person. But, you have to give the new coach freedom to pick whoever they think is best.

If they fired the assistants and kept Ruff, I'd say Fitz needs to go. That kind of move is really just showing that Ruff is Fitz's puppet.
That is a nightmare scenario which I pray will never happen.
 

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There is zero need for Vesey for next year
He might have a hard time finding NHL work next year, considering all he got this year was a PTO and it’s not like he was any better this year than he was last year.

But you never know, because we’ve seen guys come in to some team on a PTO and then get signed on July 1st just hours into free agency the next year. But it’s usually when they have an overwhelming season on that PTO, which Vesey has really not, even though I don’t think he’s been bad for what he was either.

There are guys like Wayne Simmonds that look about done, then they get brought in by some team that’s okay with using them as a 4th liner and they continue to re-sign him. Or even Jason Spezza last few years (funny they’re both on the Leafs), but I think it goes without saying that both Simmonds and Spezza were considerably better than Jimmy Vesey ever was. Vesey was a solid third liner at the very best.
 

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The idea was thrown out a few months ago by I think @ScottyK that the organization could be grooming Nas for the full time head coaching gig, but felt he wasn't ready yet and that's why he was oddly retained to be the assistant for yet another head coach after his interim stint as head coach. And this is why Fitz kept telling us ''Nas is certainly in the mix'' to be full time head coach when it was said he was interviewing other people (Gallant being one of them) for the job. Which I remember thinking ''Yeah right, they probably just don't wanna hurt his feelings''.

While I don't see it that way, it's also not the strangest or craziest suggestion.

Nas has gotta be the longest tenured (full time assistant and that doesn't include ''Special Assignment'' coach or goalie coach) assistant coach we've had since possibly ever. Not the longest tenured ever in the entire organization (Rick Kowalsky was employed in some capacity here for about 13 or 14 years and Sergei Brylin has been an assistant for the AHL team for 8 or 9 years now), but longest tenured full time assistant coach behind the bench for the NHL team.

I can't remember a single non-goalie coach assistant lasting this long for the NHL team, not consecutively. There was about a 13 year span where Larry Robinson went back and forth between assistant coach, head coach, special assignment coach. head coach again, special assignment coach again, full time assistant coach again. And he didn't work for any other organization during that time period (there was his head coaching stint in LA before this stretch and his time with the Sharks after it), but there was never a 7 year stretch where Robinson was a full time assistant or head coach here for the entire duration of those 7 years.

We've had goalie coaches last way longer, but I'm not including them.

I mentioned before this happens more than you think. Seven years is definitely a long time considering how much coaches get shuffled around, and Nass likely doesn’t survive Ruff’s exit, but if teams take a liking to an AC some guys really hang in there.

In Philly, Ian Laperriére got moved up to assistant from player development in 2013-14 when Berube took over under Paul Holmgren and hung in there in 2020-21 until he became their AHL HC this season. That means he worked under 3 different GMs and 3 different HCs.

Blaine Florsthe has been an AC for the Caps since 2009-10 and is still there. That means he started under Boudreau with McPhee as the GM.

When staff is put together under a new HC they’re a some mix of holdovers, guys he’s personally bringing with him, young guns going places and ex-coaches/higher end assistants who happen to be on the market.

For example with the Caps. Kevin McCarthy was an assistant in Carolina when Laviolette got there, and then followed him to Philly, Nashville and Washington. But he inherited Florsthe. Brett Leonhardt has been video coach/AC there since 2012-13. Scott Arniel started in 2018-19 under Todd Reirden.

Barry Trotz brought Lane Lambert, who’s been an AC with him since 2012-13, to the Islanders in 2018-19. Other NYI’s AC hires were John Gruden, picked from juniors, and Jim Hiller, a guy who was presumably very much a Lou hire since his 1st NHL AC job was in Toronto from 2015-16 to 2018-19. (Scott Gomez was there for one season as an AC for a year before Hiller came on.)

Often a lot of long time ACs end up moving on because they become an interim HC and then don’t get the HC job. It’s more odd Nass stuck around after that actually.

John Stevens was an AC in LA from 2010-11 until 2016-17, and was even briefly the interim HC when Terry Murray was fired in at the end of the 2011-12 season. Stevens ceased being an AC when got the HC job in 2017-18, a job he lost in mid-November 2018 when he was fired after 13 games. He moved on to become an AC in Dallas after that.
 

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He might have a hard time finding NHL work next year, considering all he got this year was a PTO and it’s not like he was any better this year than he was last year.

But you never know, because we’ve seen guys come in to some team on a PTO and then get signed on July 1st just hours into free agency the next year. But it’s usually when they have an overwhelming season on that PTO, which Vesey has really not, even though I don’t think he’s been bad for what he was either.

There are guys like Wayne Simmonds that look about done, then they get brought in by some team that’s okay with using them as a 4th liner and they continue to re-sign him. Or even Jason Spezza last few years (funny they’re both on the Leafs), but I think it goes without saying that both Simmonds and Spezza were considerably better than Jimmy Vesey ever was. Vesey was a solid third liner at the very best.
What Vesey has going for him are that he's willing to:
- sign a 1 year deal
- play for cheap (amount that can be buried in the minors if needed)
- play on the PK

With the barely moving cap, more and more teams need people who can fill bottom six roles for minimum salary, and ideally with no term.

Still, he's not big / physical and he doesn't play center.

It's a toss up to me if he finds a spot. I could see someone like Minnesota bringing him in on a PTO. Probably depends on if he has relationships on the right teams.
 

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"When I was playing before, everytime I got into my goalie stance it felt like a knife was stabbing the back of my foot".

Maybe the injury was in fact really affecting his capabilities.

Sure, the real issue is when do we get through ten or so games when that’s not the case? Even now Blackwood said the foot was getting better, not that it’s 100%
 

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"When I was playing before, everytime I got into my goalie stance it felt like a knife was stabbing the back of my foot".

Maybe the injury was in fact really affecting his capabilities.


Lol I'm so curious what happened here. Did Blackwood not say how he really felt for a while then spoke up when the pain was too much or did he say something and they tried to help him play through it rather than shut him down again.
 

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With Schneider it was always maybe this time is different. Hopefully it's not a similar thing with Blackwood.
I do think Blackwood has a MUCH greater chance of bouncing back than Schneider ever did, just based on age and the fact that as of now, he hasn't had as many bad seasons/long of a stretch of poor play as Schneider did when he was still ''Bouncing back''. Schneider literally had about a 120 game stretch of .905% goaltending (which in some of those years the league average save percentage was as high as .912%-.913% and no lower than .910%, where it's been at or under .910% these last 2-3 years I think) when people were still talking about how he was gonna bounce back because he was a .920% for the final 16 or 18 games of the 18-19 season, along with 5 games (or whatever the number was) of .925% at the world championships and I think he even had something like a .950% in 2-3 preseason games in 2019. Schneider was also 33.5 years old coming into his last season with the Devils, while Blackwood is not even 25.5 years old yet. I gave Schneider maybe a 10% chance of ever being good again, unless it was either just one last good comeback season before returning to decline version the next year or if he were used in a very sparsely used backup role. Goalies Schneider's age do not bounce back after that many poor years. Rinne did somewhat, but even he didn't have 3-4 bad years in a row before he bounced back. Only 3 bad seasons in 4 years with a very limited number of games played those first two seasons. Khabibulin in the late 00's had one good season out of nowhere as the Hawks starter after years of decline, then resumed right back into his decline.

Now the bad part, I'm still pretty skeptical Blackwood does bounce back, because his AHL resume was extremely mediocre and there's not many goalies that wind up having a great NHL career after having a season like Blackwood had in the AHL in 17-18. Blackwood had a decent 16-17 season in the AHL, but his 18-19 AHL part of the year was mediocre at best, though his NHL play that very same year was very good. Galaxies better than anything Daws did this year at the NHL level.

I do believe the injuries are greatly affecting his performance, but as I keep saying, are they affecting his performance to the point where it's the difference between him being an .894% goalie and a .910%-.915% (or possibly better?) goalie? Or was it only the difference in him being an .894% goalie and a .905% goalie?

We won't find out this year either way. Two really good games are not proof that he's back, nor are two really bad games proof that he's shot forever and can't bounce back next year.

While he hasn't been bad yet for as long as Schneider was, his last 53 games he's an .894% and that's somehow just slightly worse than all of Schneider, Kinkaid and Brodeur's last 53 games with the Devils.
 
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