RangerDoggo
The Devils have a culture of failure
I'd say Ruff has done better here than as an assistant with the Rags, but he was also horribly misused there.
Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part XXIV
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So, basically we’re elite at creating off the rush and about average at creating off the forecheck. We’re pretty far from the “zone of pain” (lol). Offense is the least of my concern with this team moving forward. It’s gets tough in the D-zone and atrocious in net.
If I can ask, where are those charts from? I’d really like to consult them.
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That’s just 5v5 so we have the dreaded special teams issues.
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100%. Can’t forget the horrendous PP. Where did you get those charts? I’d like to consult them!
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From what I've seen, Corey Sznajder (pronounced "Snyder" believe it or not) is as good as anyone in the business at producing relevant analytics. Unlike many of these guys, he actually has an understanding of the game of hockey. I also like Dom at the Athletic.
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Bahl had his first NHL game where he played over 20 minutes. Ruff has been gradually giving him more minutes game by game during this call up. Bahl has looked pretty good to me so far especially defending down low in our zone. I think some fans were knocking his play bekfre he even was called up a few weeks ago without even really getting see him much. I'm not sure what his upside is but we need guys who can actually play defense while adding some physical presence to the lineup. Bahl seems to have potential to do just that. He's looking better each game as he adapts to the speed of the NHL.
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Yup, that's the biggest difference between Ruff and Sutter right there. Although Sutter did go one offseason and at least part of another without a head coaching job before he did announce his retirement in June of 2018. Did maybe the Rangers interview with him or show interest in him after AV was fired? Who knows? I'm sure teams called and inquired, as they probably did with Ruff also, but in the end Ruff was not employed as a head coach between 2017 and 2020 when we hired him. Maybe Sutter retired after nobody showed interest that one offseason and part of the next? Dave Tippett announced his retirement a couple of weeks after Edmonton fired him, as if he would have been a hot commodity over the next couple of offseasons lol.
I am skeptical Sutter would have coached again if Calgary didn't come calling. He's close enough to home in Calgary.
Bahl might be the answer at 3LD next year. I'd like to get him a veteran RD for that pairing, and Ilya Lyubushkin would be my biggest target. As I often say, the Devils are not making the playoffs next year unless they get away from Ty Smith and the disastrous 3rd line, no matter what the goaltending.
Here's a very intriguing analytic argument. Everybody knows goaltending is the top area of need for the Devils, but they still need work in other areas to make the playoffs next year.
www.allaboutthejersey.com
League Average Goaltending Likely Would Not Make the 2021-22 New Jersey Devils a Playoff Team
League average goaltending would be fantastic for a 2021-22 New Jersey Devils season kneecapped by bad goaltending. It alone would not likely be enough for them to be a playoff team. This post goes into the math as to why not and what more they may need to get there.
www.allaboutthejersey.com
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I thought he was AWFUL in the NHL up until this last call up, but he's been very good this recent call up. I'm not yet ready to say he's definitely an NHL player like I am Boqvist, but he's shown legit improvement.
I actually thought his first really good game was right before he got sent back the last time, but he was back a few days later.
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This is why I think one last step on top of improving the goaltending would be to gank this staff.Here's a very intriguing analytic argument. Everybody knows goaltending is the top area of need for the Devils, but they still need work in other areas to make the playoffs next year.
League Average Goaltending Likely Would Not Make the 2021-22 New Jersey Devils a Playoff Team
League average goaltending would be fantastic for a 2021-22 New Jersey Devils season kneecapped by bad goaltending. It alone would not likely be enough for them to be a playoff team. This post goes into the math as to why not and what more they may need to get there.
RangerDoggo
The Devils have a culture of failure
That blog and "intriguing" do not belong in the same postHere's a very intriguing analytic argument. Everybody knows goaltending is the top area of need for the Devils, but they still need work in other areas to make the playoffs next year.
League Average Goaltending Likely Would Not Make the 2021-22 New Jersey Devils a Playoff Team
League average goaltending would be fantastic for a 2021-22 New Jersey Devils season kneecapped by bad goaltending. It alone would not likely be enough for them to be a playoff team. This post goes into the math as to why not and what more they may need to get there.
Any player who plays with a fishbowl after jaw reconstruction surgery is probably going to look like a disaster.
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Thing is, playoffs weren’t necessarily the realistic objective either this season.Here's a very intriguing analytic argument. Everybody knows goaltending is the top area of need for the Devils, but they still need work in other areas to make the playoffs next year.
League Average Goaltending Likely Would Not Make the 2021-22 New Jersey Devils a Playoff Team
League average goaltending would be fantastic for a 2021-22 New Jersey Devils season kneecapped by bad goaltending. It alone would not likely be enough for them to be a playoff team. This post goes into the math as to why not and what more they may need to get there.
Everyone here would’ve been happy with us being a bubble team. Having average goaltending would’ve made us that. People saying “even with average goaltending we wouldn’t have made the playoffs so therefore the team is still bad even with average goaltending” are missing the point. Being a bubble team this season would’ve been fantastic for morale and development.
There are other problems, surely, but with the bare average minimum in goal, the outlook of this team on this board would be miles better.
By the way, not saying you’re claiming this by posting the article, but I’ve seen this argument used a lot on social media about us, and it grinds my gears lol.
NJDevs26
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I mean...we know they wouldn't be a playoff team with league average goaltending, we're 35 points out of the last playoff spot now. At most it might be a 10-12 point difference, which still doesn't even get you to NHL .500. League average goaltending plus better coaching would possibly put the team over NHL .500 though.
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Average goaltending and an average PP 100% make us a bubble team. For the youngest team in the league that would’ve been an accomplishment.
Fair enough, I just saw it and thought it was an interesting counter-argument to the #justthegoaltending narrative. Like I said, I think the Devils need more depth throughout the line-up to make the playoffs next year, but I do see the post-season as a possibility. Of course we need better work in goal, and of course healthy seasons from stars like Hughes, Hischier and Hamilton. We can expect Holtz next year and a big jump from Mercer, which will also help.
But the Devils also need a 3rd line which is actually a challenge for the opposition to play against, and they need a 3rd D-pairing which doesn't gift the opposition goals. They need to increase their acuity at scoring goals off the cycle and down low. Fortunately, these are all reachable goals for Tom Fitzgerald.
The 2022 draft will also be key. The Devils need to bolster at RD and C and get some interior forwards. There can be no more wasted picks on Baymgartners and Vilens and Hurtigs.
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It probably would be closer to a difference of 10 wins than 10 points.
If Bahl can continue to round out his defensive game and keep that level of physicality he has.. thatd be just perfect for our bottom pair, one that in a few years time could have a very skilled player on it next to him.
Would love if he could be a big, physical stay-at-home Siegenthaler for us. Though Ohkotiyuk has his own ideas for that bottom left spot next year, I think. I expect him to play real hard in camp.
Would love if he could be a big, physical stay-at-home Siegenthaler for us. Though Ohkotiyuk has his own ideas for that bottom left spot next year, I think. I expect him to play real hard in camp.
Bahl's development is so critical. If he blossoms into a Parayko type the left side of the Devils defense looks absolutely formidable for years to come.
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I’m skeptical O (I can’t spell is his name right and auto correct wants to f*** it up) is really viewed very highly in the organization right now. He’s been in Utica for two years and hasn’t gotten into a single game for the NHL team.
I’d like to see what he’s got, but I just feel he isn’t really seen as a priority by the organization currently.
I was thinking that too but ended up leaning more towards them wanting some semblance of stability in the A for such a good season, and considering Bahl's size he probably gets more of an exclusive look.
I cant speak too far on it because Im not a fan who watches enough AHL games, but from what Ive heard about his play its been promising it seems.
NJDevs26
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It's impossible to picture it being a difference of twenty points (especially with the loser points in many of these games), even the Florida game which was horrendous was only a one point difference in the end with four bad goals given up. And not every shit goal was given up in a one-goal game - exhibit A the Boston fiasco
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