Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part XXIV

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We don’t know if two of those guys will (or should) be here beyond next year

The best case scenario you could make is re-sign one, use the other as a placeholder for Luke but tbh I’m not really sold on either Sevs or Graves as the long term option

Yeah and those are things you solve when the time arises. It’s set for next year. You don’t address it now.

I can’t see Graves lasting past next year. Luke probably makes the team at the end of the next year and will give us a look into if he could be a top 4 the following year. If he can and Sevo stays then the top 4 will also be set.
 

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I think Sharangovich will show an even stronger result next season. We must not forget that from September 2020 to September 2021 Sharangovich spent about 100 official matches with three different teams and 4 training camps. Which is about 2 times more than in his previous seasons. And the fact that he ended up in a physical pit at the beginning of this season was not surprising to me personally. I hope that before the next season he will have a good rest and avoid such a disastrous start, especially since Belarus has been disqualified from the World Cup and he will have six months to put himself in full order
 

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We don’t know if two of those guys will (or should) be here beyond next year

The best case scenario you could make is re-sign one, use the other as a placeholder for Luke but tbh I’m not really sold on either Sevs or Graves as the long term option

I don't think that matters, though. You've got Bahl, Okhotiuk, and Walsh in Utica, and you see what they've got next year. Odds are they won't be anything, but you see. Likewise perhaps with Smith, if he's still here. If Luke is what he's supposed to be, you only need one defenseman, probably.
 
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I don't think that matters, though. You've got Bahl, Okhotiuk, and Walsh in Utica, and you see what they've got next year. Odds are they won't be anything, but you see. Likewise perhaps with Smith, if he's still here. If Luke is what he's supposed to be, you only need one defenseman, probably.

Could have Jiricek or Nemec as well who could be regulars as early as sometime in their D+2
 
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According to the main boards Nico doesnt even go top 5 in a redraft. They ranking players like Suzuki above him. Mindblowing how underrated Nico is.
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According to the main boards Nico doesnt even go top 5 in a redraft. They ranking players like Suzuki above him. Mindblowing how underrated Nico is.

I actually don't think it's completely outlandish to place him outside the top 5. I'd disagree but I think as of now he's 5th at best. Makar, Heiskanen, Pettersson, and Roberston are the top 4. Then Nico at 5. Other guys like Norris, Thomas, Batherson have also been really great. That "weak" class has churned out a ton of top talent. He's better than Suzuki for sure though lol
 
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Spending like crazy is how you help f*** over your future. This team is already much closer than people believe it is. Move out Zacha and Johnsson. Grab Nuke, a goalie, and a 3RD. That’s really that needs to be done this offseason.
I was probably a little to emphatic with the spending. We have a tad under 24mil in space for next year. 7 probably goes to Bratt, which leaves us with 17 to resign Zacha, Boqvist, Wood, Zetterlund and maybe PK to a reasonable deal.
I would personally stand pat on D for mow, look to shed Johnsson/Tatar/maybe Zacha to add a Fiala/Nichushkin/Neideritter.
 

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I was probably a little to emphatic with the spending. We have a tad under 24mil in space for next year. 7 probably goes to Bratt, which leaves us with 17 to resign Zacha, Boqvist, Wood, Zetterlund and maybe PK to a reasonable deal.
I would personally stand pat on D for mow, look to shed Johnsson/Tatar/maybe Zacha to add a Fiala/Nichushkin/Neideritter.

I thought you were saying to go crazy and add multiple big skater pieces.

Zacha's 100% gone. I'd be shocked if he's still around. Johnsson to a team like Arizona seems very likely given the interest they've shown. He's a useful piece with a base salary of only 750k next year. I don't see Tatar moving and I think he's a fine piece for the 3rd line. I'd be shocked if Holtz didn't make it. That would mean 7 forward spots locked into the top 9 and with Boqvist's strong run I also think he's gotten himself a spot. That leaves one opening. Nuke's the #1 choice. I'd be willing to give him quite a bit. I think Nino's fine but I wouldn't really want to give him that much more than what we did with Tatar and there will be more interest than that for him. Fiala for me is really dependent on the tyoe of deal he's looking at.

On the back end I want a 3RD. I don't really have an issue with PK if he'd go cheap but I think he goes Cup chasing. Lyubuhskin was my #1 but I could see him getting overpaid now due to the Toronto attention bump.
 
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I was probably a little to emphatic with the spending. We have a tad under 24mil in space for next year. 7 probably goes to Bratt, which leaves us with 17 to resign Zacha, Boqvist, Wood, Zetterlund and maybe PK to a reasonable deal.
I would personally stand pat on D for mow, look to shed Johnsson/Tatar/maybe Zacha to add a Fiala/Nichushkin/Neideritter.
f*** Zacha

Trade him and let someone else sign him. Lowball him at his qualifying offer if you have to, but f*** long term for one. At that point we're almost signing him just to sign him.

I don't think any of those other guys really get a raise though. Wood probably makes the same or like just barely more. Like the difference of a couple hundred thousand. Him being injured just about the entire year probably cost him A LOT, but the fact that he had a career year last year (in a shortened season) probably gives him a slight raise.

Same goes for Boqvist and Zetterlund.

Bratt will get a big raise though.
 

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I thought you were saying to go crazy and add multiple big skater pieces.

Zacha's 100% gone. I'd be shocked if he's still around. Johnsson to a team like Arizona seems very likely given the interest they've shown. He's a useful piece with a base salary of only 750k next year. I don't see Tatar moving and I think he's a fine piece for the 3rd line. I'd be shocked if Holtz didn't make it. That would mean 7 forward spots locked into the top 9 and with Boqvist's strong run I also think he's gotten himself a spot. That leaves one opening. Nuke's the #1 choice. I'd be willing to give him quite a bit. I think Nino's fine but I wouldn't really want to give him that much more than what we did with Tatar and there will be more interest than that for him. Fiala for me is really dependent on the tyoe of deal he's looking at.

On the back end I want a 3RD. I don't really have an issue with PK if he'd go cheap but I think he goes Cup chasing. Lyubuhskin was my #1 but I could see him getting overpaid now due to the Toronto attention bump.

The issue with trading Johnsson is his limited NTC, a 10 team no trade list, he can pretty easily block trades to Ottawa and Arizona and there's not going to be 11 teams interested in him at a cheap cost/high-ish AAV. I think if the Devils want to trade him it will have to be before his NTC kicks in.
 

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I’ve only caught two periods out of the last three games, and I’m sure this has already been discussed on previous pages, but does Zetterlund look like he has a legit shot at becoming a full time NHLer next season?
 

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I’ve only caught two periods out of the last three games, and I’m sure this has already been discussed on previous pages, but does Zetterlund look like he has a legit shot at becoming a full time NHLer next season?

Maybe. He's looked pretty good. He's better with Nico (obviously) but I wish they'd move him down and go with a line of Tatar-Boqvist-Zetterlund since that will be more of the type of line he'd be looking at
 

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The issue with trading Johnsson is his limited NTC, a 10 team no trade list, he can pretty easily block trades to Ottawa and Arizona and there's not going to be 11 teams interested in him at a cheap cost/high-ish AAV. I think if the Devils want to trade him it will have to be before his NTC kicks in.
When does that kick in?
 

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I thought you were saying to go crazy and add multiple big skater pieces.

Zacha's 100% gone. I'd be shocked if he's still around. Johnsson to a team like Arizona seems very likely given the interest they've shown. He's a useful piece with a base salary of only 750k next year. I don't see Tatar moving and I think he's a fine piece for the 3rd line. I'd be shocked if Holtz didn't make it. That would mean 7 forward spots locked into the top 9 and with Boqvist's strong run I also think he's gotten himself a spot. That leaves one opening. Nuke's the #1 choice. I'd be willing to give him quite a bit. I think Nino's fine but I wouldn't really want to give him that much more than what we did with Tatar and there will be more interest than that for him. Fiala for me is really dependent on the tyoe of deal he's looking at.

On the back end I want a 3RD. I don't really have an issue with PK if he'd go cheap but I think he goes Cup chasing. Lyubuhskin was my #1 but I could see him getting overpaid now due to the Toronto attention bump.
Yea I like this, what do you think it would cost to trade for Fiala?
 

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Maybe. He's looked pretty good. He's better with Nico (obviously) but I wish they'd move him down and go with a line of Tatar-Boqvist-Zetterlund since that will be more of the type of line he'd be looking at

I like him on that Hischier line. It's incredible how little time Nico Hischier has spent with a right-handed shooter. Nico's played 1900 minutes the last 3 years 5v5, he has 530 minutes with Palmieri, and then less than 100 with Bastian, Simmonds, Mercer, and Gusev - combined those 4 played around 250 minutes with Nico. It means the majority of his time has been without an RH shot on his line.

Does have a balance of shooters help? I'm not sure. Felt like it helped on the goal last night, though.
 

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I like him on that Hischier line. It's incredible how little time Nico Hischier has spent with a right-handed shooter. Nico's played 1900 minutes the last 3 years 5v5, he has 530 minutes with Palmieri, and then less than 100 with Bastian, Simmonds, Mercer, and Gusev - combined those 4 played around 250 minutes with Nico. It means the majority of his time has been without an RH shot on his line.

Does have a balance of shooters help? I'm not sure. Felt like it helped on the goal last night, though.

Yeah it's been working. Maybe it can work as like a trial run for Nico with a Holtz-lite player. I just want to see Zetterlund in more of a role he'd be in going forward. It doesn't really matter too much since training camp next year would be the thing that matters. For my own piece of mind though I want to get a look at it now.
 

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When does that kick in?

'July 1'. I have no idea when the start of free agency is this year, but whatever date corresponds with it is when it kicks in, the same day as his bonus. So basically his agent knows what teams like to do with players like this and built in this safeguard.

Yea I like this, what do you think it would cost to trade for Fiala?

I'm thinking more and more that Fiala might be a good candidate for an offer sheet. I don't think Minnesota will be inclined to take him to arbitration, and maybe Fiala doesn't elect it for himself.
 
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I like him on that Hischier line. It's incredible how little time Nico Hischier has spent with a right-handed shooter. Nico's played 1900 minutes the last 3 years 5v5, he has 530 minutes with Palmieri, and then less than 100 with Bastian, Simmonds, Mercer, and Gusev - combined those 4 played around 250 minutes with Nico. It means the majority of his time has been without an RH shot on his line.

Does have a balance of shooters help? I'm not sure. Felt like it helped on the goal last night, though.
We only have four right-handed forwards with one of them being Zetterlund (Bastian McLeod and Mercer). Interestingly enough, Florida also only has four right-handed forwards.. but they are better fit than ours for spreading throughout a lineup (Giroux Reinhart Hornqvist Acciari)
 

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Yea I like this, what do you think it would cost to trade for Fiala?
I completely overlooked Fiala being a RFA. I thought he was unrestricted for some reason. In that case, back up the truck for Nichuskin or go after Niederreiter/other ufa
 

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Who is going to sign Gaudreau? The Flames don't have the money and neither do the Flyers. If he really wants to come home, we're the best option.

Fortifying the top two lines isn't the biggest need, but if the prize falls in your lap, you'd have to be an idiot to say no.
The Flyers are really cooked. All that cap space tied up in mediocre and aging players, and not a whole lot of great prospects. Hextall drafted really well. It was a mistake to fire him, but the ownership was impatient.
 

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I actually don't think it's completely outlandish to place him outside the top 5. I'd disagree but I think as of now he's 5th at best. Makar, Heiskanen, Pettersson, and Roberston are the top 4. Then Nico at 5. Other guys like Norris, Thomas, Batherson have also been really great. That "weak" class has churned out a ton of top talent. He's better than Suzuki for sure though lol
It's all just opinion so you can't say anyone is right or wrong (I mean you have that moron who constantly posts about how Lovejoy is the best defender ever and nobody has ever proven him wrong even if he is posting from an asylum with his feet on the keyboard since his arms are held in the straightjacket).

That aside, I've watched a fair amount of Heiskanen being in the Stars TV market. He's great at a lot of things. But he's soft as melted butter. He's not scared of the other players but he just never hits anyone. He's got untapped offensive potential but I feel he defers to others (reminds me of Hischier in that regard). He's well insulated on a veteran team with other competent defenders. Let's put him on NJ the past few years and tell him the lousy team is his responsibility and see how it goes.

Petterson is a bit different but he has issues as well. Not soft, but he looks a lot like Tatar or Johnsson or any other small light forward when he doesn't have the puck. He can do the stick lift to steal the puck but he loses just about every physical battle and he's had injury issues as well. Then layer in his contract which clouds it further. He gave away exactly zero years of UFA and on top of that specifically said he may want out if the team isn't good enough. How much hand wringing would be going on in NJ if he dropped that? I don't read his comments as buying in on the team. Is that a leader? You can't name him captain. My thoughts on Petterson are that if he's 20 points better than Hishchier I'd give Petterson the nod. At 19-10 points above Hischier it would depend. If he gets 15 more points but 12 are secondary assists I'm not sure how much stock I put into that. At 10 points or less above Hischier I'm taking Hischier every day and twice on Sunday. Again, I'm sure Vancouver fans, especially the angsty teens will say Petterson is better all the time. Let's see what they say when he signs his QO to head to UFA.

Robertson is really talented and having a great year. He's a bit above a point per game. He's also a winger and soft and slow. Again, unless he's at least 20 points better than Hischier I'm probably taking the center who provides secondary value. Put Robertson on NJ and play him with Zacha and Tatar and he's not doing much most likely. He's one guy and he's not running away from anyone and needs to play with excellent players to get the results he does (at least to my eyes). I guess the way to view him is do you want a winger for Hughes or a second center behind Hughes? I could see different views on it. Then you have to factor in contract. He's due for his RFA deal this offseason. Let's see how many UFA years he gives up and at what price. Not sure he goes ahead of Hischier in a redraft given how NHL teams view this stuff.

Makar, absolutely goes ahead of Hischier, but even he wouldn't be as good on NJ in my view.

There are other guys, but other than Suzuki none of them have to be the man. Again, let's put them on NJ and see how great they are without Hughes. It hasn't gone well for Suzuki when he's been asked to carry that load. Until a guy really hits his stride and can be the guy to lead the team you can't really say what you are dealing with.

Personally, I'm taking Hischier at 2 right now. Maybe Petterson scores 100 points the next two years and signs an 8 year extension for $7 mil per and I move him to 2 but I'm skeptical.

At 3 I probably take Batherson who is signed long term dirt cheap in Ottawa but he's got a relatively short track record of success and is coming off his first real injury.
 

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Based on what they've done, Hischier is at 5 for me behind Makar, EP, Robertson and Heiskanen.

Based on what I think is possible, I could see him tied with EP at 2.

I see a potential all time great (top 25-30 player ever) in Makar and obviously he's a tier above all of his draft class.
 

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Based on what they've done, Hischier is at 5 for me behind Makar, EP, Robertson and Heiskanen.

Based on what I think is possible, I could see him tied with EP at 2.

I see a potential all time great (top 25-30 player ever) in Makar and obviously he's a tier above all of his draft class.

Yeah I agree he could definitely move up. Nico's had a really strong stretch for a while now (EP has too) and he could shoot up if he keeps it up. I think 2-5 could end up just being a grouping though where you can order it anyway you want and it would be fair.
 
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I completely overlooked Fiala being a RFA. I thought he was unrestricted for some reason. In that case, back up the truck for Nichuskin or go after Niederreiter/other ufa
After Nuke , Id like Marchement first then probably Neids . Any one of the three would be awesome but Nuke #1 then Marchment #2 with Neids or ?? as number three. Maybe there is an unknown player that might be available through trade we dont know about. Maybe Jeannot or Tkachuk rofl. I wish .
 
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