Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part XXIV

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Let's just hope that in a few years we won't be looking back at this year's top 10 prospect list and saying the same thing.

I don't think we will, because we have more genuinely top end talent now. But it goes to show we should always be skeptical of optimistic thinking that most of our guys will pan out.

I think it more goes to show that if you draft like complete shit you’ll get nothing. If we have more drafts like Fitz has masterfully given us these last 2 years it isn’t long before we have another list looking like that.
 

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I think it is important to remember that another big time forward add doesn't have to happen this offseason, it can just as easily be that final piece type of add or even a rental depending on where the team is.

Obviously if a deal is there to be made they shouldn't shy away from it, but it's not as huge a priority to fix this offseason as the goaltending and coaching is.

f*** adding a big time rental.
 

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Let's just hope that in a few years we won't be looking back at this year's top 10 prospect list and saying the same thing.

I don't think we will, because we have more genuinely top end talent now. But it goes to show we should always be skeptical of optimistic thinking that most of our guys will pan out.

I mean you could look at lists from the last 5 years or so and it's clearly way better based on what current guys are doing.

Even the guys underperforming are still better then everyone besides Severson from that list
 

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73 pt pace on the season for Nico. 33 pts in 25 games since the ASG. That's tied for the 15th best PPG and tied with Sid over that stretch. He's got the 5th best 5v5 P/60 since then.

32 goal 62 pt pace for Yegor since 12/6. 75th in 5v5 P/60 and 44th in G/60. Tied 55th in 5v5 pts and 36th in 5v5 goals over that span

Boqvist is 204th in 5v5 P/60 and T187th in 5v5 pts over the past 2 months since being moved to the 3C with a 54% xGF and 56% HDCF. Hopefully he finds some special teams utility to up his impact even more but as of now he's been a great 5v5 3C for 2 months now. Even before that his play at the wing was massively improved since Christmas too.
 
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73 pt pace on the season for Nico. 33 pts in 25 games since the ASG. That's tied for the 15th best PPG and tied with Sid over that stretch.

32 goal 62 pt pace for Yegor since 12/6. 75th in 5v5 P/60 and 44th in G/60. Tied 55th in 5v5 pts and 36th in 5v5 goals over that span

Boqvist is 204th in 5v5 P/60 and T187th in 5v5 pts over the past 2 months since being moved to the 3C with a 54% xGF and 56% HDCF. Hopefully he finds some special teams utility to up his impact even more but as of now he's been a great 5v5 3C for 2 months now. Even before that his play at the wing was massively improved since Christmas too.

I don’t understand your fancy pants pie graphs.

McLeod’s minutes have noticeably gone down in general recently, but he even plays less on the PK with Vesey gone. Ruff’s new plan is play Nico & Shara on the PK a shit ton.

I still don’t understand his fascination with Yegor on the PK. He get opportunities for shorties with his aggressiveness, which is nice, but he’s not, you know, getting good results at all otherwise. And never has on the PK.

Play Kuok more on it. Zacha? sigh. Well, new coaches work too I guess.
 

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I don’t understand your fancy pants pie graphs.

McLeod’s minutes have noticeably gone down in general recently, but he even plays less on the PK with Vesey gone. Ruff’s new plan is play Nico & Shara on the PK a shit ton.

I still don’t understand his fascination with Yegor on the PK. He get opportunities for shorties with his aggressiveness, which is nice, but he’s not, you know, getting good results at all otherwise. And never has on the PK.

Play Kuok more on it. Zacha? sigh. Well, new coaches work too I guess.

I also don't like Nico on the PK. I'd rather take those PK minutes away and give him more at 5v5. I agree with more Kuokkanen. I want to see Boqvist get an extended look. Zacha should've been on it all year but at this point it doesn't matter since he's gone anyway. Maybe Mercer
 
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I feel Sharangovich has a pretty solid defensive game. Having two gamebreakers out there on the PK in Nico/Yegor adds something to your PK where you don't want to turn the puck over in a bad way against them. I don't mind him on the PK at all.

I feel it shouldn't be understated that a PK with Boqvist/Vesey is a lot less intimidating than one with Nico/Sharangovich and you're gonna get good play out of both units. However I trust one duo a lot more with the puck on a fast break offensively than the other.
 
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I feel Sharangovich has a pretty solid defensive game. Having two gamebreakers out there on the PK in Nico/Yegor adds something to your PK where you don't want to turn the puck over in a bad way against them. I don't mind him on the PK at all.

I feel it shouldn't be understated that a PK with Boqvist/Vesey is a lot less intimidating than one with Nico/Sharangovich and you're gonna get good play out of both units. However I trust one duo a lot more with the puck on a fast break offensively than the other.

Yegpr tries really really hard but it hasn't translated into defensive results on either the PK or at 5v5. His defensive impact has remained poor. Nico's 5v5 defense has steadily improved over the years but he's a bad PKer.
 

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Is it just me or has Hischier's skating improved quite a bit recently? The past two games in particular he's looked like a completely different player in terms of speed and quickness from earlier in the season.

I think it's been improved for a while. It was clear he had something going on earlier in the year that was holding him back
 

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What if we try to snag Andrew Copp from NY by overpaying him a bit?

Well the Rags can re-sign before free agency starts and then no one else can snag him.

They trades two 2nds, one 5th and center prospect for him, and one of the 2nds is a conditional pick that turns into 1st if they win two rounds. Considering the cost and how good he has been, I’m guessing they try to keep Copp if they can afford him.
 
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Well the Rags can re-sign before free agency starts and then no one else can snag him.

They trades two 2nds, one 5th and center prospect for him, and one of the 2nds is a conditional pick that turns into 1st if they win two rounds. Considering the cost and how good he has been, I’m guessing they try to keep Copp if they can afford him.

Yeah I got the feeling this was them saying goodbye to Strome and they're going to re-sign Copp.
 
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I think it more goes to show that if you draft like complete shit you’ll get nothing. If we have more drafts like Fitz has masterfully given us these last 2 years it isn’t long before we have another list looking like that.
Well, the Devils right now have a top 5 prospect pool in the NHL, and maybe even top 3. I do agree with you that the late-round drafting needs to improve. But right now the Devils have an insanely high-end top 4 of Hughes/Holtz/Gritsyuk/Mukhamadullin and a strong chance to add to that with Jiricek or Nemec, either of whom would enter the Devils prospect pool at #2 overall.

When you factor in the Devils insane prospect depth at LD and on both wings, it gets even better. The Devils are a long way from the unfortunate prospect dearth of yesteryear.
 

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Hischier on a 73 point pace over 82 games and Sharangovich on a 53 point pace over 82 games despite both getting off to terrible starts this season.
 
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I feel Sharangovich has a pretty solid defensive game. Having two gamebreakers out there on the PK in Nico/Yegor adds something to your PK where you don't want to turn the puck over in a bad way against them. I don't mind him on the PK at all.

I feel it shouldn't be understated that a PK with Boqvist/Vesey is a lot less intimidating than one with Nico/Sharangovich and you're gonna get good play out of both units. However I trust one duo a lot more with the puck on a fast break offensively than the other.
Ya, Shara is getting a bad rap defensively. The numbers aren't great, but like Nico in years past where people wanted to say he wasn't good defensively because of his underlying #'s, and then one year the numbers catch up to the eye test, I think similar could happen with Shara.

Not that I think Shara is an ace defensive fwd currently, but I think there is something there.

I also agree that having scoring threats on the PK puts pressure on the opposition PP. We certainly saw that back in the day when Parise and Kovy were sharking out there on the PK. Shara and Nico are not at that level, but I' do want to see if they can find some level of that.

Now I do think you underestimate the Boq/Vesey tandem (and yes I know Vesey is out). Boq is the best skater of the guys we are talking here, and I think he, like Shara and Nico could prove dangerous as a counter attacker on the PK, and again let's see how he develops. And Vesey was just good on the PK.
 
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