Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part VI

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Weekes is def connected to Bratt's agent, he said the same thing after Robert Thomas's deal (or maybe Kyrou's). He's just putting it out there that Bratt deserves 8m+ I think.

 

[Mgd31]

Just announce the deals, Weekes. We beg you

 

[Guadana]

Haha, imagine NJ paid attention to the idiots and drafted Kakko, leaving a generational talent like Jack Hughes to play for the Rangers.

Also, what's the drinking age in Russia? I always assumed you folks filled baby's bottles with vodka instead of milk.

And baby bottles of vodka can be obtained by cards from a KGB officer. One bottle for two babies. 18 yo can buy alcohol.

I can`t eve discuss Kakko story. I was hard believer in Nico and Jack in the moments. Destiny was on our side in those days.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Yes, Bill, yessssss

 

[Devs3cups]

Weekes is def connected to Bratt's agent, he said the same thing after Robert Thomas's deal (or maybe Kyrou's). He's just putting it out there that Bratt deserves 8m+ I think.

I’m sure Fitz knows it too. They Robynheimer tweets were eye-opening this morning.

 

[Bcap88]

For being a self proclaimed “insider” Weekes have been getting circles ran around him all week by some of the bigger insiders

 

[MasterofGrond]

Rangers would kill for Mercer level production from laf

 

[Devs3cups]

I don’t disagree with any of that. Nonetheless something is humming up the process. This is at least the third time Fitz has tried to negotiate a long term deal with Bratt’s agent. Something is off. Assume Fitz will offer Bratt more than Jack. They still aren’t finding common ground. It’s not catastrophic yet but you’d like to wrap it up so you can start on a Meier extension before the end of the season. You don’t want those two going into their last RFA year without an extension. Whatever sales pitch Fitz is making thr agent isn’t buying it. It seems counterproductive to just make Bratt stew while other guys sign deals with AAVs over $8 mil and now approaching $9 mil.

I’m pretty convinced that last season after 1 PPG season he offered slightly under Jack’s deal and negotiations were cut off. With a 2nd season now, I don’t see why Fitz wouldn’t pay up. Robynheimer also hinted at that.

 

[StevenToddIves]

They aren't, and I don't know why you take it that way. I don't see anyone that does that, and I think its a strawman. The data in these charts and graphs are BASED ON what happens on the ice. They aren't "made up" numbers.

They are a tool for use, just like boxscore stats, just like the eye test, etc. None of these are 100% infallible, but they do provide good information on players because nobody can watch every play play every game in every season. That isn't possible.

The numbers ignore context, and analytics can be easily manipulated depending on what numbers are fed into them and which are omitted. No one's figured out how to create an analytic measure factoring face-offs or blocked shots or hits, so rather than fix their errors most people making the analytics will feed their followers with false information that these aspects of the game are actually not so important. What really matters? Well, everything which matters is everything which their charts measure, of course.

I'd agree they are a tool for use, but not just like the eye test or boxscore stats. As a draft guy, I can tell you the worst scouting-based draft ranker on Planet Earth was not ranking Mason McTavish 15 spots behind Ayrton Martino, but Byron Bader did this. Did he try to explain that his model might be flawed in this ranking? No, he instead spent about 100 tweets bashing McTavish to try to protect his model's relevancy. And therein lies the problem.

I agree some models can be helpful. If I'm debating with a knowledgeable Hurricanes fan that Carolina needs a #2 center, it's tough because I've seen Kotkaniemi and Staal about 15 times this year to their 50+ times. But conversely, the fact that many analytic models contradict each other makes it difficult to know which one to use and when. That's why I constantly try to call out the people with terrible models, like a Byron Bader or a JFresh.

 

[glenwo2]

Scenes when this goes to the absolute wire.... AGAIN.

As long as there's no HOLDOUT 'cause we both know how much you just LOVE those.

 

[StevenToddIves]

And baby bottles of vodka can be obtained by cards from a KGB officer. One bottle for two babies. 18 yo can buy alcohol.

I can`t eve discuss Kakko story. I was hard believer in Nico and Jack in the moments. Destiny was on our side in those days.

If I ever reproduce, you can bet your bottom dollar my kid will be pounding Canadian whiskey before they can ride a bike. But that's just me, I'm only a quarter Russian but my grandmother was from Montreal.

 

[Devs3cups]

That first tweet sounds like a guy who’s sure he’s locking up Bratt and Meier. Fitz has it going on.

 

[Mgd31]

I’m sure Fitz knows it too. They Robynheimer tweets were eye-opening this morning.

About?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

The numbers ignore context, and analytics can be easily manipulated depending on what numbers are fed into them and which are omitted. No one's figured out how to create an analytic measure factoring face-offs or blocked shots or hits, so rather than fix their errors most people making the analytics will feed their followers with false information that these aspects of the game are actually not so important. What really matters? Well, everything which matters is everything which their charts measure, of course.

I'd agree they are a tool for use, but not just like the eye test or boxscore stats. As a draft guy, I can tell you the worst scouting-based draft ranker on Planet Earth was not ranking Mason McTavish 15 spots behind Ayrton Martino, but Byron Bader did this. Did he try to explain that his model might be flawed in this ranking? No, he instead spent about 100 tweets bashing McTavish to try to protect his model's relevancy. And therein lies the problem.

I agree some models can be helpful. If I'm debating with a knowledgeable Hurricanes fan that Carolina needs a #2 center, it's tough because I've seen Kotkaniemi and Staal about 15 times this year to their 50+ times. But conversely, the fact that many analytic models contradict each other makes it difficult to know which one to use and when. That's why I constantly try to call out the people with terrible models, like a Byron Bader or a JFresh.

because faceoffs and hit totals are next to meaningless, so there is no need to "account" for them

Again, please stop saying they have "terrible" models. If you don't want to use them, or find them not helpful....that is fine. But they present a lot of good information, and they are not "terrible" models.

 

[Devils731]

i just saw Logan Brown brought up in relation to that tweet about Vancouver going after a former first round pick.

Remember some of the anger over the Devils losing out on Logan Brown to only pick up a 3rd round pick for moving down 1 slot?

 

[Devs3cups]

About?

Oh, just the responses to the tweet about the fact Fitz didn’t want to sign anyone over Jack’s AAV. The responses from her in the thread said it wasn’t a thing where he was putting his foot down, it was a preference and that they’d go over if they thought the ROI was worth it.

 

[glenwo2]

TIN-FOIL HAT TIME! DING DING DING!!

I don’t disagree with any of that. Nonetheless something is humming up the process. This is at least the third time Fitz has tried to negotiate a long term deal with Bratt’s agent. Something is off. Assume Fitz will offer Bratt more than Jack. They still aren’t finding common ground. It’s not catastrophic yet but you’d like to wrap it up so you can start on a Meier extension before the end of the season. You don’t want those two going into their last RFA year without an extension. Whatever sales pitch Fitz is making thr agent isn’t buying it. It seems counterproductive to just make Bratt stew while other guys sign deals with AAVs over $8 mil and now approaching $9 mil.

I think it will come to a point where Bratt himself will have had enough and start attending these negotiations himself to see what the F is going on.

I bet you, though, that Fitz would've already had a number that Bratt would've whole-heartedly agreed on long ago but his agent (looking for the highest possible commission for himself) was trying to break the bank.

 

[britdevil]

As long as there's no HOLDOUT 'cause we both know how much you just LOVE those.

It's entirely possible it happens again.

 

[Saugus]

Yes, Bill, yessssss

Gotta love troll mode Spaulding.

 

[NJDevs26]

I don’t disagree with any of that. Nonetheless something is humming up the process. This is at least the third time Fitz has tried to negotiate a long term deal with Bratt’s agent. Something is off. Assume Fitz will offer Bratt more than Jack. They still aren’t finding common ground. It’s not catastrophic yet but you’d like to wrap it up so you can start on a Meier extension before the end of the season. You don’t want those two going into their last RFA year without an extension. Whatever sales pitch Fitz is making thr agent isn’t buying it. It seems counterproductive to just make Bratt stew while other guys sign deals with AAVs over $8 mil and now approaching $9 mil.

I just hope the agent didn’t see Fitz’s public comments and is now trying to squeeze him for even more because the pressure is clearly on Fitz at this point, after all but guaranteeing it’ll get done

 

[MasterofGrond]

One more defender Fitz, and maybe a good 4th liner. just a little injury protection

 

[Guadana]

If I ever reproduce, you can bet your bottom dollar my kid will be pounding Canadian whiskey before they can ride a bike. But that's just me, I'm only a quarter Russian but my grandmother was from Montreal.

Russians are not so drinking nation like it illustrated. U30 very healthy in this question. But we still love to drink of course , because it`s easier for people to find connection. I believe you are understanding what I mean.

 

[glenwo2]

Gotta love troll mode Spaulding.

 

[NHL Fanatik]

Russians are not so drinking nation like it illustrated. U30 very healthy in this question. But we still love to drink of course , because it`s easier for people to find connection. I believe you are understanding what I mean.

Voda = Aquanika
Vodka = Beluga

Its a dangerous game where a one letter difference can have you regretting the night lol

 

[glenwo2]

oh! I didn't even realize this :



wicked.