sometimes not doing too much is the right move.... shero also inherited way worse than fitz... fitz was handed some young players and all the cap space in the world... shero didn't have that.. so you are the one that is pretty clueless..
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sometimes not doing too much is the right move.... shero also inherited way worse than fitz... fitz was handed some young players and all the cap space in the world... shero didn't have that.. so you are the one that is pretty clueless..
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Graves season this year has no effect on the role he played for us last year.
And what does Luke and Nemec have to do with how Graves played last season or the comment being vacuous? Sorry, your list of grievances was goofy and I gave you some pushback on it.
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(Nice, also note “role difficulty” 88)
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Note “role difficultly” 34
Why is their role difficulty so much lower?
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Fitz had to completely rebuild the defense because he inherited Severson, Ty Smith, and Bahl and no other significant defensive prospect.
And the guy who left him nothing on defense also traded away our 2020 2nd, 2020 3rd & 2021 2nd for worthless assets.
Fitz had to build a defense and try to get some goaltending, plus other fixes, with later picks minus those.
No, I’m not shitting my pants about the future. The teams still a work in progress, I thought it was that before the season started.
This season is disappointing, I thought we would make the playoffs, but I in no way thought this team was a contender with this defense and goaltending.
Some of these players need more experience and the team building isn’t finished.
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Taffoli is gonna cash in hes having a good stats season and his a really good player... i want no part of him on a long term deal.. fitz is gonna cave...
while I have generally liked the approach Fitz has taken with the team, they do seem like a rudderless ship right now.
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How many healthy NHL quality veteran goalies have we put in net in the last several years?
But the Rangers currently have one of the greatest goalie coaches of all time, so there’s that.
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Two time cup winner, Conn Smythe winner, two time Jennings winner, consistent Vezina vote-getter, arguable HOFer, Jonathon Quick?
Yeah, crazy he just suddenly became good out of a completely pedestrian career.
But every goalie I listed, other than Kahkonen who is .898 for the worst team in the league, is over .905 sv% on the season. And they're free. Platooning so less skilled goalies don't get too tired (Daws playing 500 games in a row) is not a terrible option with a better system, better defense.
It won't be pretty if it is longer than a couple of years. Given the tweet talks about next season, do they think about how it will age past that? Toffoli is having a nice season scoring wise and it hasn't made a bit of difference. I just don't think having him around well past his prime is worth it even if next season is better. That's such a short sighted view of things.
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I disagree about not replacing Graves and Severson. Another short term replacement, if that was possible, wouldn’t make much difference. Maybe he should have added more depth.
But a longterm addition has to be the right move for the longterm and I’m not sure any move was there.
Smith is actually fine for an extra defenseman making 1.1m, not sure what amazing defensemen you think teams typically have as depth.
There’s moves that Fitz made that I don’t like or aren’t all that great right now, but that happens. (Pawning off Siegenthaler before his trade clause kicks in could fix one of the latter ones.)
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I think Ullmark or Swayman would get eaten alive here.
Boston hasn't had had a bad goalie more than a decade....a random guy Niklas Svedberg can come in, get 14 starts and pitch a .918 SV%.... it's an adherence to defense and playing behind responsible players.
I just scanned Boston's goalies going back going back to 2014....there really isn't a single poor performance from anyone that played any amount of games. You have Chad Johnson getting 23 starts and putting up a .925 SV%. in 2014.... Keith Kinkaid could even looked good there.
Boston is the exact opposite of our situation.
Boston hasn't had had a bad goalie more than a decade....a random guy Niklas Svedberg can come in, get 14 starts and pitch a .918 SV%.... it's an adherence to defense and playing behind responsible players.
I just scanned Boston's goalies going back going back to 2014....there really isn't a single poor performance from anyone that played any amount of games. You have Chad Johnson getting 23 starts and putting up a .925 SV%. in 2014.... Keith Kinkaid could even looked good there.
Boston is the exact opposite of our situation.
I get what you’re saying. Every goalie who comes to NJ suddenly sucks, so structure and goaltending coach seem super suspect. Hopefully a complete overhaul of the coaching staff (save Sarge) this offseason mitigates the issues, and even a middle of the pack NHL goalie looks competent.
On the other hand, if that doesn’t fix the problem and we’re right back where we were this year…
A legit goalie isn’t going to hurt. It just sucks the pickings are slim and varying costs of expensive.
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If they have truly been talking extension as has been reported, I trust that if Toffoli's ask was not reasonable that Fitz wouldn't be considering it. People can say they've soured on him all they want, but Fitz has shown an understanding with respect to contracts. And yes, that includes Palat, who was a UFA and got probably a year and $1 million more than you probably would have liked. That's somewhat standard for UFA contracts.
If Toffoli truly likes it here, which it appears he does, he may prefer to get some stability given he's moved around quite a bit over the last few years and sees the potential that is here.
I know everyone wants to just bring on the assets, but this is a guy who I think can be really useful in a more structured system.
If Toffoli truly likes it here, which it appears he does, he may prefer to get some stability given he's moved around quite a bit over the last few years and sees the potential that is here.
I know everyone wants to just bring on the assets, but this is a guy who I think can be really useful in a more structured system.
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I’m mostly tired of the idea that Jack and Toffoli are married now, at all strengths.
yeah if toffoli is even remotely a thought to bring back, it would absolutely have to be either on something like a two-year deal with slightly higher AAV, or you could even go longer term say 4-5 years IF the AAV is something like $3mil or less. i know he has scored a lot, but i still am not the biggest toffoli fan, as i see from quite a few others here too.
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I'm just excited to run it all back. Ruff, toffoli, Vitek / daws / Schmid. Let's do it.
Just keep the reporters quiet so they don't frighten the power play into performance issues and we'll be fine
Just keep the reporters quiet so they don't frighten the power play into performance issues and we'll be fine
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Me either, I’m trying to will it to happen
I think Toff on last years team gets 40
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This tweet tells me:
1.) "The season isn't quite over" - Fitzgerald won't make any coaching moves until we are either mathematically eliminated or the season ends.
2.) Fitzgerald believes this is a down year and not a fundamentally bad team, he expects them to bounce back next season. I wouldn't expect major roster changes beyond adding a goalie or adding some depth.
3.) Toffoli seems to be motivated by contract security at this point in his career, like Haula. he has his Cups, he has his money. He may be willing to leave some term/salary on the table in order to settle down for a while. Something like a 3 year deal with a modified NTC sounds right.
1.) "The season isn't quite over" - Fitzgerald won't make any coaching moves until we are either mathematically eliminated or the season ends.
2.) Fitzgerald believes this is a down year and not a fundamentally bad team, he expects them to bounce back next season. I wouldn't expect major roster changes beyond adding a goalie or adding some depth.
3.) Toffoli seems to be motivated by contract security at this point in his career, like Haula. he has his Cups, he has his money. He may be willing to leave some term/salary on the table in order to settle down for a while. Something like a 3 year deal with a modified NTC sounds right.
So fitz supposedly claimed he was using the west coast swing to evaluate where the team is at, and his conclusion after that is "the season isn't quite over". Jackass. Start the chants at him tomorrow night, make it happen people.
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"Toffoli is due a raise from his $4.25 million cap hit – he is making $3.5 million in actual salary this season – but it is unclear what type of dollars he is seeking on his next deal. He could seek a contract worth around $6.5 million to $7 million per season." 
www.thefourthperiod.com
Devils trying to get Toffoli signed — The Fourth Period
The New Jersey Devils are trying to get Tyler Toffoli signed to a multi-year contract extension.
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If they sign Toffoli I believe it's possible they have a handshake agreement to circle back on with Calgary for Markstrom meaning Holtz is gone...Whether it's by the deadline (I doubt) or at or b4 draft....
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