Devils team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - offseason part III

[NJDevs26]

what are we even arguing about anymore lol.

Semantics…most of you waste so much time on semantics and code words it’s mind boggling

 

[Oneiro]

The arguments are tedious but I don’t think it’s weird to ask who the Brouwer, Killorn, Kunitz, Bennett, etc. is on this team.

It’s ironic because the question exists because Mercer is soft and inconsistent and generally a passenger on this team. But it will never be said by resident edgelord. Need to see a lot more from him in every way.

 

[JimEIV]

The arguments are tedious but I don’t think it’s weird to ask who the Brouwer, Killorn, Kunitz, Bennett, etc. is on this team.

It’s ironic because the question exists because Mercer is soft and inconsistent and generally a passenger on this team. But it will never be said by resident edgelord. Need to see a lot more from him in every way.

The question exists because of 1 22 year old player in his 3rd year that has been relegated to the bottom 6?

If that is remotely true we are in shit load of trouble.

 

[devilsblood]

I am hopeful that the Devils just start the year with a reputation that they cannot be bullied. I think that will go a long way towards not seeing a collapse.

Ya, the playbook on the Devils clearly became, beat them up. Not many teams could skate with us, so they were going to try to play us physically and slow us down. Not sure why, but Nico especially became a target.

I don't think teams will approach us with that same focus this season.

 

[JimEIV]

Ya, the playbook on the Devils clearly became, beat them up. Not many teams could skate with us, so they were going to try to play us physically and slow us down. Not sure why, but Nico especially became a target.

I don't think teams will approach us with that same focus this season.

Why wouldn't they? Nothing has changed...the guys that they need to slow down are the same and they got no help this off season from last year.

 

[Guttersniped]

Oh and if speed is a skill...then so is size... both are basically raw physical attributes that some people have an others just don't.

Sorry, “size is a skill” is just goofy and skating is not “raw physical attributes”.

Good lord.

From the Black Book, this gives some specifics on what is skill and skating. (Size is separate under Misc, which makes sense.)

 

[JimEIV]

Sorry, “size is a skill” is just goofy and skating is not “raw physical attributes”.

Good lord.

From the Black Book, this gives some specifics on what is skill and skating. (Size is separate under Misc, which makes sense.)

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Of course size not a skill...it was an illustration of absurdity and sarcasm Spock.

 

[Guttersniped]

Of course size not a skill...it was an illustration of absurdity and sarcasm Spock.

Yeah, well it’s 8:30 on the West Coast and it jumped out at me lol.

 

[devilsblood]

Why wouldn't they? Nothing has changed...the guys that they need to slow down are the same and they got no help this off season from last year.

Nothing has changed.........except the additions of Dillon, Pesce, Cotter, Noeson. On average these guys are 6'2" 215 lbs. Each much more physical then the player they are replacing.

I also assume that our guys are hearing what Fitz is saying, and are putting in the work at the gym. Jack may be late to the gym party due to the shoulder, but I think we will begin to see him begin to fill out physically.

 

[JimEIV]

 

[devilsblood]

Sorry, “size is a skill” is just goofy and skating is not “raw physical attributes”.

Good lord.

From the Black Book, this gives some specifics on what is skill and skating. (Size is separate under Misc, which makes sense.)

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Speed is pretty much a raw attribute.

Skating is the skill.

There is some crossover, but I think we can agree there is a difference.

 

[Guttersniped]

Speed is pretty much a raw attribute.

Skating is the skill.

There is some crossover, but I think we can agree there is a difference.

I misunderstood his point, and we can just kill this debate with fire, who cares.

 

[devilsblood]

I misunderstood his point, and we can just kill this debate with fire, who cares.

You wish.

 

[JimEIV]

I'm good

Nothing has changed.........except the additions of Dillon, Pesce, Cotter, Noeson. On average these guys are 6'2" 215 lbs. Each much more physical then the player they are replacing.

I also assume that our guys are hearing what Fitz is saying, and are putting in the work at the gym. Jack may be late to the gym party due to the shoulder, but I think we will begin to see him begin to fill out physically.

None of which will be around Nico, Jack Bratt and Meier when they are in the offensive zone and will be targeted physically.

 

[My3Sons]

Your narrow interpretation wouldn't include hitting/checking, board battles, down low/in traffic play, faceoffs, or really aspect of defense either.

Regardless, if playersA is more skilled than player B, but player B consistently scores more points than player A what the hell are we talking about other than stylistic points?

Either your interpretation of "skill" is wrong or at the very least incomplete, or it's completely meaningless.

We lost the context here. I was responding originally to your statement about skill which did not imply the secondary stuff you listed above. Again, without agreed upon definitions you can't really discuss these things properly. We are just posting past each other.

 

[devilsblood]

I'm good


None of which will be around Nico, Jack Bratt and Meier when they are in the offensive zone and will be targeted physically.

Meier doesn't need protection.

Either Pesce or Dillon will likely be on the ice more then 60% of the time.

And I think Noesen or Cotter will get a chance to play some top 6 minutes.

 

[RSeen]

Nothing has changed.........except the additions of Dillon, Pesce, Cotter, Noeson. On average these guys are 6'2" 215 lbs. Each much more physical then the player they are replacing.

I also assume that our guys are hearing what Fitz is saying, and are putting in the work at the gym. Jack may be late to the gym party due to the shoulder, but I think we will begin to see him begin to fill out physically.

Not sure how Jack is going to get much stronger with a shoulder that is healing. He needs to get stronger at some point but he has been injury prone his entire career here so hard to see it changing right now.

 

[Camille the Eel]

We lost the context here. I was responding originally to your statement about skill which did not imply the secondary stuff you listed above. Again, without agreed upon definitions you can't really discuss these things properly. We are just posting past each other.

What’s the old adage about getting into a pissing match with a skunk? Not a good idea.

Another one I heard is never argue with a fool. Eventually people won’t be able to tell the difference.

 

[devilsblood]

Though I was thinking that Dillon Pesce will be used as a lock down defensive pair on occasion.

Which will open up some Luke Nemec pairing minutes.

 

[JimEIV]

We lost the context here. I was responding originally to your statement about skill which did not imply the secondary stuff you listed above. Again, without agreed upon definitions you can't really discuss these things properly. We are just posting past each other.

The original context was Florida's top 6 is bigger and stronger than ours and doesn't give up much in skill if any at all.

I don't think we are speaking past each other...
You would say Bratt is inherently more skilled than M. Tkachuk...I wouldn't.

Skill in the common vernacular has seemed to become slick moves at high speeds... I don't see it that way.

They are a lot of professional archery trick shooters. Some can knock an aspirin out of the air...they can dazzle a crowd... I never met one that can beat an average tournament shooter in an archery competition. I see parallels to this discussion.

 

[devilsblood]

Not sure how Jack is going to get much stronger with a shoulder that is healing. He needs to get stronger at some point but he has been injury prone his entire career here so hard to see it changing right now.

Strengthening around the injured joint is standard in recovery from surgery.

Physical therapy will hopefully be a jump off point for Jack.

 

[Darkauron]

Day 3656, Jim continues to control the discussions with no end in sight and everyone continues to eat it up. There is no hope for survival. Dont Open Dead Inside

 

[devilsblood]

Day 3656, Jim continues to control the discussions with no end in sight and everyone continues to eat it up. There is no hope for survival. Dont Open Dead Inside

What would you like to talk about?

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809981646952702046

Definitely an intriguing player. I doubt he’ll be “good” but he should be entertaining in the way Miles Wood was.

 

[JimEIV]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1809981646952702046

Definitely an intriguing player. I doubt he’ll be “good” but he should be entertaining in the way Miles Wood was.

Fitz said the same thing

"Adding a guy like Paul Cotter, who we believe has upside and has a little bit of Miles Wood in him, he can skate, he's physical. The pieces and the identity that we were looking for," he said.


But it is interesting that he says the identity we are looking for is skating and physical.... almost like that's what he means by hard to play against